No BC Talk

[Bitter Truth]

So I named nine horses likely to win or be bet as such in 3rd post of this topic...Four of them lost..Twin B Joe Fresh [1-9] Sylvia Hanover [1-5] Grace Hill [1-5] M+M's Dream [1-5] You can blame it on it being eliminations and that loooonnnggg ass Hoosier stretch. The other won..Geocentric [1-5] Jiggy Jog [1-9] Tattoo Artist [1-9] Bythemissile [3-5] Confederate [1-9]

[Laag]

A few horses were simply either not in shape or packed in it for the year...

Oh Well, Voukefalas, Hungry Angel Boy, Redwood Hanover, Little Rocket Man, Point of Perfect, almost all the 3yo Canadian trotters, Christchurch, Venerate

Where was Ken Hanover? Where was Seven Colors?

[HarnessFan1981]

A few horses were simply either not in shape or packed in it for the year...

Oh Well, Voukefalas, Hungry Angel Boy, Redwood Hanover, Little Rocket Man, Point of Perfect, almost all the 3yo Canadian trotters, Christchurch, Venerate

Where was Ken Hanover? Where was Seven Colors?

Ken Hanover wasn't eligible

RACE 10 - Pocono Downs At Mohegan Pennsylvania - PA - October 21, 2023
Conditions: "John Simpson, Sr. Memorial" 3 Year Old Colts & Geldings "The Albatross" 2nd division of 3
Purse: 32,700

7    Ken Hanover    7    2°/H    1/1Q    1/1Q    1/1    1/T   1:50.2    27.1   *0.80     Tyler Buter    Roland Mallar

 

[Laag]

How can you not have your horse eligible for BC

Good grief

[wizardofoz]

Wizard..You are 'CLUELESS'! ,,"Hambletonian has always been a the Meadowlands" ...Try Syracuse State Fair, Lexington, Goshen Good Time Park, Empire, Race Track, + DuQuoin  BEFORE it went to M[1]

To quantify, for the past 42 years, since 1981, and it should remain so, just in case the USTA gets any ridiculous idea to move it.

[Brown jug]

PLEASE , lets not compare the tbred breeders cup to our feeble attempt of the breeders crown
they have multiple tracks  that can easily handle the event and they have some in nice weather areas( harness does not)
and in those areas they have a real following for their sport, california, kentucky,new york, florida, people go and they bet !!
our only hope is to make it a success at the big m

[Bitter Truth]

Have read on here of Hoosier's purses suffering due to taking on Breeder's Crown. Don't think they can lower them much more at M[1]. Gural doesn't want it..Just the betting license. Personally don't do the M[1] .Possible exception Hambo Day. Mecca of harness racing my ass. Just another track with extra amateur races thrown in,

[Bitter Truth]

Here's some numbers to back that..BATAVIA..ye s I said BATAVIA last night $136,000 in purses 13 races Roughly $10,504 per race... M[1] Last night..$154,000 in purses ..14 races $11,000 per race..Just another track.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Here's some numbers to back that..BATAVIA..ye s I said BATAVIA last night $136,000 in purses 13 races Roughly $10,504 per race... M[1] Last night..$154,000 in purses ..14 races $11,000 per race..Just another track.

If Batavia wasn't subsidized by a casino, their purses would be zero.

[Bitter Truth]

Couldn't agree more..not many tracks you can't say that about...Not here to promote Batavia by any stretch but a good example of just an average track.. But those 'ARE' the stone cold facts..or should I say the 'BITTER TRUTH'?

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Couldn't agree more..not many tracks you can't say that about...Not here to promote Batavia by any stretch but a good example of just an average track.. But those 'ARE' the stone cold facts..or should I say the 'BITTER TRUTH'?

Meadowlands handle averaged over 3 million for 2023. It would take Batavia 8 cards to reach 3 million.

[Fuguzzi]

If Batavia wasn't subsidized by a casino, their purses would be zero.

Didn't I hear Batavia was about to go extinct just before the "Slot Fairy " rescued it?

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Didn't I hear Batavia was about to go extinct just before the "Slot Fairy " rescued it?

Yes, just like YR. I was actually being generous. Last night, the second race at the Meadowlands outhandled last nights whole card at Batavia.

[Fuguzzi]

Oh my goodness. Poor Gerry Sarama

[Bitter Truth]

Yup, strangely[perhaps out of habit] people are willing to support the self -imposed 'SAVIOR'S track. Tough to prove but I think there's a consensus that a great chunk of that 'HANDLE' comes from Syndicate, 'Whale' type entities that are given special considerations. But from a horseman's perspective,don't see the extra attraction...Can't be cheap or fun to get in and out of there. Like they could give rat's ass how much is wagered. Thus the very 'AVERAGE' [at best] cards..Nice back and forth..No offense. Just don't like em.