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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2023, 10:51:48 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2023, 10:59:31 AM »
I think I'm gonna go with the guy who trained horses for 40 years

The business will be a lot tougher when the veterans die out.

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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2023, 11:09:14 AM »
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Re: Trot or Pace?
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2023, 11:34:11 AM »
They are both great love them all why argue about this nobody will prove anything.

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Re: Trot or Pace?
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2023, 12:00:16 PM »
The business will be a lot tougher when the veterans die out.

Perhaps you can be more specific?

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Re: Trot or Pace?
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2023, 12:02:05 PM »
The tell-tale sign of repeating untruths is when a person says "I trained and raced horses for 40 years". The accepted beliefs from the past are almost always wrong.
Here is an example " because of the direction in which we race and the pulling motion on their right side in the turns. That is why i have found across the board pacers almost always bow in the right front." The root is this fallacy is the belief that the outside limbs take a disproportionate load in the turns. It's likely that the belief stems from 4 wheel autos where we all know the outside tires take almost all the stress in the turns. Not so for horses.. in a turn the inside legs migrate towards the centre line and the outside legs aren't much more than outriggers for a brief duration. The most compelling studies on inner versus outer injuries come from Australia where the incidence of splint bone displacement was tracked and quantified.
Of course fatigue on the inside prompts extra load on the outside so the chicken and the egg conundrum will always be present.

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Re: Trot or Pace?
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2023, 12:34:11 PM »
Right on the Money! tmbz1
Nice to know you think I repeat untruths. Thought you were a cool guy

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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2023, 12:36:33 PM »
They are both great love them all why argue about this nobody will prove anything.
I know you go way back, but I am not sure you have done anything hands on with horses. If you have I respect that, I would suspect you would agree that pacers are more susceptible to problems than trotters, from the experiences and observations you would have made.

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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2023, 12:41:12 PM »
Is either gait, trot or pace, more susceptible to injury or soundness problems?
this was the original question and it is something I have pondered often so I offered my opinion - Pacers. wasn't really arguing. I supported my position with observations and facts, but that Ramone guy was making some weird statements and quoting some down under study.

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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2023, 12:42:28 PM »
this was the original question and it is something I have pondered often so I offered my opinion - Pacers. wasn't really arguing. I supported my position with observations and facts, but that Ramone guy was making some weird statements and quoting some down under study.

He was accurate in a the study. But seemed a bit argumentative. Almost sounded like he was Mark Harder.
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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2023, 12:46:07 PM »
He was accurate in a the study. But seemed a bit argumentative. Almost sounded like he was Mark Harder.

I'd actually like to see that study. Did you know where it can be found?

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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2023, 12:46:36 PM »
Just wanna be good people with you, buddy! You are a bit weird but seem to know alotta shit and your posts are quirky and funny too

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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2023, 12:47:35 PM »
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« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2023, 12:49:25 PM »
Just wanna be good people with you, buddy! You are a bit weird but seem to know alotta shit and your posts are quirky and funny too

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« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2023, 12:52:05 PM »
I'd actually like to see that study. Did you know where it can be found?

I believe it was archived here: https://racingaustralia.horse/home.aspx or this one: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fvets.2021.698298/full
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