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Superfecta

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Re: YONKERS GET TOUGH ON PET WALKING SATURDAY NIGHT
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2022, 05:18:29 PM »
No --you would not unless you are riding shotgun----BUT one of the reasons why Bartlett and co(Dowse)and others--win so many races--is that when they look like the best on paper--the drivers bet on Bartlett-and he is allowed to stroll to the front and go an easy second 1/4 usually 29 and a piece. This eliminates any chance of a backmarker upsetting the apple cart. In a legit run race say a higher conditioned pace or claimer--no first half should go slower than 56 IMHO.
Kudos to the Judges---they warned drivers about what would happen if they slowed the pace too much second 1/4--this is the result of that.
Now they need to get after drivers who give up holes(Pigland is correct--some are paid to do it) because this really screws up racing. Drivers will argue that it's tactics--but in many scenarios, you can see that it's not.
Once they crack down on the drivers--hopefully betting will improve because bettors HATE betting on pet walkers--unless they are assured of a win by one of the above BS tactics._
IMHO--if horse guns to the lead one week then the following week--takes back when in the betting- -this should be questioned by the Judges and the answer PUBLISHED IN THE PROGRAM. There should be a Judges page after each meeting where Judges call drivers in to explain their tactics. Great handicapping tool and will soon put the BS driver excuses out there where everyone can see what happened instead of being treated like mushrooms.

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Re: YONKERS GET TOUGH ON PET WALKING SATURDAY NIGHT
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2022, 03:21:52 AM »
Didn't John Campbell have the same thing happen at The Red Mile a few years back in a stakes race?
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Yes , and he got placed last and he was extremely angry.    ;D ;D

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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2022, 04:58:17 PM »
KIRBY you are the only one who actually gets it

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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2022, 06:07:42 PM »
I'M STILL NOT BUYING THIS NEW RULE THAT SAYS IF YOU GO TOO SLOW YOU GET DQ'ED. HECK IF I WAS A DRIVER I WOULD NEVER GO TO THE FRONT IN THAT CASE. THIS TAKES ALL OF THE HANDICAPPING OUT OF HARNESS RACING IN MY OPINION. IF YOU WANNA TELL THE DRIVERS HOW TO DRIVE THE RACE, THEN JUST MAKE ALL OF THE RACES NON-BETTING. AT LEAST THAT WAY THE GAMBLING PUBLIC WON'T GET SCREWED WHEN THEY SEE THE HORSE THEY BET CROSS THE WIRE FIRST ONLY TO BE DQ'ED FOR NO OBVIOUS REASON. THE JUDGES SHOULD BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED WITH RACE FIXING AND TAMPERING. JUST MAKE THE RACES NON-BETTING. I MEAN THIS IS FRUSTRATING JUST READING THIS SHIT. WHAT ABOUT A TYPE OF HORSE THAT MAYBE GETS LAZY ONCE HE/SHE MAKES THE FRONT OR A HORSE THAT JUST CHILLS OUT BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE ANY COMPETITION. LIKE SOMEONE SAID EARLIER IN THIS THREAD, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE UP A RULE LIKE THIS, JUST FINE THE IDIOT DRIVERS BEHIND THE LEADER WHO DECIDED TO SIT INSIDE FORWHATER REASON. TOTAL BS A RULE LIKE THIS IS CONSIDERED RACE FIXING AND THE JUDGES SHOULD BE PROSECUTED
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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2022, 10:05:33 PM »
I'M STILL NOT BUYING THIS NEW RULE THAT SAYS IF YOU GO TOO SLOW YOU GET DQ'ED. HECK IF I WAS A DRIVER I WOULD NEVER GO TO THE FRONT IN THAT CASE. THIS TAKES ALL OF THE HANDICAPPING OUT OF HARNESS RACING IN MY OPINION. IF YOU WANNA TELL THE DRIVERS HOW TO DRIVE THE RACE, THEN JUST MAKE ALL OF THE RACES NON-BETTING. AT LEAST THAT WAY THE GAMBLING PUBLIC WON'T GET SCREWED WHEN THEY SEE THE HORSE THEY BET CROSS THE WIRE FIRST ONLY TO BE DQ'ED FOR NO OBVIOUS REASON. THE JUDGES SHOULD BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED WITH RACE FIXING AND TAMPERING. JUST MAKE THE RACES NON-BETTING. I MEAN THIS IS FRUSTRATING JUST READING THIS SHIT. WHAT ABOUT A TYPE OF HORSE THAT MAYBE GETS LAZY ONCE HE/SHE MAKES THE FRONT OR A HORSE THAT JUST CHILLS OUT BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE ANY COMPETITION. LIKE SOMEONE SAID EARLIER IN THIS THREAD, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE UP A RULE LIKE THIS, JUST FINE THE IDIOT DRIVERS BEHIND THE LEADER WHO DECIDED TO SIT INSIDE FORWHATER REASON. TOTAL BS A RULE LIKE THIS IS CONSIDERED RACE FIXING AND THE JUDGES SHOULD BE PROSECUTED

I agree.

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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2022, 10:46:31 PM »
I don’t

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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2022, 11:19:40 PM »
So, you would pull 1st up just past the 1/4 on the 2/5 shot on the front on a half mile track? Let me know your name and I'll be sure to auto toss you in my selections!
You don't know that 1st Up is the 3rd likeliest trip to win a race on any size track.

I auto toss your losing ass.


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Re: YONKERS GET TOUGH ON PET WALKING SATURDAY NIGHT
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2022, 11:51:21 PM »
You don't know that 1st Up is the 3rd likeliest trip to win a race on any size track.

I auto toss your losing ass.

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« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2022, 01:28:37 AM »
That rule definitely affects the outcome of a race. I think it gives the judges too much authority. If they fine the winning driver and DQ him, they you have to fine every single driver in the race to be fair. The winning driver slowed the pace then so did the others who didn’t pull.

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« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2022, 01:32:01 AM »
I'M STILL NOT BUYING THIS NEW RULE THAT SAYS IF YOU GO TOO SLOW YOU GET DQ'ED. HECK IF I WAS A DRIVER I WOULD NEVER GO TO THE FRONT IN THAT CASE. THIS TAKES ALL OF THE HANDICAPPING OUT OF HARNESS RACING IN MY OPINION. IF YOU WANNA TELL THE DRIVERS HOW TO DRIVE THE RACE, THEN JUST MAKE ALL OF THE RACES NON-BETTING. AT LEAST THAT WAY THE GAMBLING PUBLIC WON'T GET SCREWED WHEN THEY SEE THE HORSE THEY BET CROSS THE WIRE FIRST ONLY TO BE DQ'ED FOR NO OBVIOUS REASON. THE JUDGES SHOULD BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED WITH RACE FIXING AND TAMPERING. JUST MAKE THE RACES NON-BETTING. I MEAN THIS IS FRUSTRATING JUST READING THIS SHIT. WHAT ABOUT A TYPE OF HORSE THAT MAYBE GETS LAZY ONCE HE/SHE MAKES THE FRONT OR A HORSE THAT JUST CHILLS OUT BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE ANY COMPETITION. LIKE SOMEONE SAID EARLIER IN THIS THREAD, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE UP A RULE LIKE THIS, JUST FINE THE IDIOT DRIVERS BEHIND THE LEADER WHO DECIDED TO SIT INSIDE FORWHATER REASON. TOTAL BS A RULE LIKE THIS IS CONSIDERED RACE FIXING AND THE JUDGES SHOULD BE PROSECUTED

EVERYONE @ THE YONKER KNOWS THAT BRENT DRIVES FOR A GROUP OF BIG LAS VEGAS GAMBLERS, AND RIGHT OR WRONG IN THIS CASE, THEY LOVE TO SCREW WITH HIM TO FOOL UP THEIR 'FIXED' RACE.

 SO THEY CHASE A FEW MORE BETTORS AWAY, WHO NEEDS THEM?

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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2022, 01:43:31 AM »
Confusion? Lol

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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2022, 01:45:18 AM »
If the winning driver is guilty, so are every other driver in the race for not going after him. Fine one, fine all.  tmbz1 I also agree with whoever said refund the players money. Yonkers judges can’t have it both ways. I watched the replay and he never caused any interference that I saw. Refund the players money if they’re going to take a horse don for some made up new rule.
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Re: YONKERS GET TOUGH ON PET WALKING SATURDAY NIGHT
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2022, 03:16:22 AM »
Why wasn't ALLUNEEDISFAITH N dq'd at Saratoga today.  31 second 2nd quarter in the Open Class?

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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2022, 07:49:14 AM »
That rule definitely affects the outcome of a race. I think it gives the judges too much authority. If they fine the winning driver and DQ him, they you have to fine every single driver in the race to be fair. The winning driver slowed the pace then so did the others who didn’t pull.

Yes it does…  it often times will get a pre determined (favorite with early speed) winner beat. 

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Re: YONKERS GET TOUGH ON PET WALKING SATURDAY NIGHT
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2022, 08:06:13 AM »
Better racing.  In the last 3 nights , 27 races, just 9 horses that were on top at the quarter pole win….

 

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