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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: bond on October 05, 2022, 09:48:12 AM
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Ship Wreck Beach K \RACE 7 Saturday NIGHT.
Holland worked hard to get to lead--27.1 first 1/4--then walks the next at 30.1. Apparently, this pissed the Judges off that much-they TOOK THE HORSE DOWN AND PLACED HIM 7TH!!!!
Now I agree with the judges--this really slow second 1/4 is a ploy that prevents the back markers from getting in the race--so Im all for fining the drivers for going so slow -should be fined---but now the trainer and owner lose the race and Holland gets five days after winning.
Let's see if this improves the racing--
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Ship Wreck Beach K \RACE 7 Saturday NIGHT.
Holland worked hard to get to lead--27.1 first 1/4--then walks the next at 30.1. Apparently, this pissed the Judges off that much-they TOOK THE HORSE DOWN AND PLACED HIM 7TH!!!!
Now I agree with the judges--this really slow second 1/4 is a ploy that prevents the back markers from getting in the race--so Im all for fining the drivers for going so slow -should be fined---but now the trainer and owner lose the race and Holland gets five days after winning.
Let's see if this improves the racing--
Why should Holland get days ? Why not hit the guys that sit in and don't push the pace until the 5/8th's or sometimes 3/4 mark.
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Superficial👍👌. Drivers like Dube etc are gutless wonders. Dube also loves not keeping the hole closed in front of him. This causes backmarkers problems that should not happen. Start fining them!!!
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holes are paid for,its big bussines
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AND SCREW TO THE BETTORS WHO PICKED HOLLAND IN THE FIRST PLACE, THEY SHOULD TAKE THEIR WAGERS ELSEWHERE
Why should Holland get days ? Why not hit the guys that sit in and don't push the pace until the 5/8th's or sometimes 3/4 mark.
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The whole thing is a complete joke only way a horse can be set back if he cause interference.
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what a joke!
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Why should Holland get days ? Why not hit the guys that sit in and don't push the pace until the 5/8th's or sometimes 3/4 mark.
So, you would pull 1st up just past the 1/4 on the 2/5 shot on the front on a half mile track? Let me know your name and I'll be sure to auto toss you in my selections!
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Should have been 10 days and if they come right back tonight with more quarters like that dole the suspension out again. It wouldnt be long before they would start racing at Yonkers again.
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YOU GOTTA DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO BUT THAT IS A ROYAL FUCKING TO THE BETTORS OF THAT HORSE. ANYONE WHO BET ON THAT HORSE SHOULD FILE A LAWSUIT AGAINST YONKERS JUDGES FOR A REFUND OR BETTER YET, THEY WINNING AMOUNT THAT THEY WOULD OF GOTTEN BACK. IF THEY WANNA DO SHIT LIKE THAT ITS FINE AS LONG AS THEY REFUND ALL BETS ON THAT HORSE AND DECLARE HIM A NON STARTER. TOTAL NONSENSE AND SOMEONE NEEDS TO SUE YONKERS JUDGES WHOEVER DECIDED TO DISQUALIFY HOLLAND WITHOUT ANY INFRACTION OR INTERFERENCE. YOU GOTTA GIVE THE BETTORS BACK THERE MONEY STUPID ASS JUDGES
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YOU GOTTA DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO BUT THAT IS A ROYAL FUCKING TO THE BETTORS OF THAT HORSE. ANYONE WHO BET ON THAT HORSE SHOULD FILE A LAWSUIT AGAINST YONKERS JUDGES FOR A REFUND OR BETTER YET, THEY WINNING AMOUNT THAT THEY WOULD OF GOTTEN BACK. IF THEY WANNA DO SHIT LIKE THAT ITS FINE AS LONG AS THEY REFUND ALL BETS ON THAT HORSE AND DECLARE HIM A NON STARTER. TOTAL NONSENSE AND SOMEONE NEEDS TO SUE YONKERS JUDGES WHOEVER DECIDED TO DISQUALIFY HOLLAND WITHOUT ANY INFRACTION OR INTERFERENCE. YOU GOTTA GIVE THE BETTORS BACK THERE MONEY STUPID ASS JUDGES
agree,if you dont like the pace,then pull
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The whole thing is a complete joke only way a horse can be set back if he cause interference.
NOT true you retarded idiot. Pylon violations, lapped on break at the wire, failure to lose ground while on a break.
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Ship Wreck Beach K \RACE 7 Saturday NIGHT.
Holland worked hard to get to lead--27.1 first 1/4--then walks the next at 30.1. Apparently, this pissed the Judges off that much-they TOOK THE HORSE DOWN AND PLACED HIM 7TH!!!!
Now I agree with the judges--this really slow second 1/4 is a ploy that prevents the back markers from getting in the race--so Im all for fining the drivers for going so slow -should be fined---but now the trainer and owner lose the race and Holland gets five days after winning.
Let's see if this improves the racing--
Didn't John Campbell have the same thing happen at The Red Mile a few years back in a stakes race?
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So, you would pull 1st up just past the 1/4 on the 2/5 shot on the front on a half mile track? Let me know your name and I'll be sure to auto toss you in my selections!
No --you would not unless you are riding shotgun----BUT one of the reasons why Bartlett and co(Dowse)and others--win so many races--is that when they look like the best on paper--the drivers bet on Bartlett-and he is allowed to stroll to the front and go an easy second 1/4 usually 29 and a piece. This eliminates any chance of a backmarker upsetting the apple cart. In a legit run race say a higher conditioned pace or claimer--no first half should go slower than 56 IMHO.
Kudos to the Judges---they warned drivers about what would happen if they slowed the pace too much second 1/4--this is the result of that.
Now they need to get after drivers who give up holes(Pigland is correct--some are paid to do it) because this really screws up racing. Drivers will argue that it's tactics--but in many scenarios, you can see that it's not.
Once they crack down on the drivers--hopefully betting will improve because bettors HATE betting on pet walkers--unless they are assured of a win by one of the above BS tactics._
IMHO--if horse guns to the lead one week then the following week--takes back when in the betting- -this should be questioned by the Judges and the answer PUBLISHED IN THE PROGRAM. There should be a Judges page after each meeting where Judges call drivers in to explain their tactics. Great handicapping tool and will soon put the BS driver excuses out there where everyone can see what happened instead of being treated like mushrooms.
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No --you would not unless you are riding shotgun----BUT one of the reasons why Bartlett and co(Dowse)and others--win so many races--is that when they look like the best on paper--the drivers bet on Bartlett-and he is allowed to stroll to the front and go an easy second 1/4 usually 29 and a piece. This eliminates any chance of a backmarker upsetting the apple cart. In a legit run race say a higher conditioned pace or claimer--no first half should go slower than 56 IMHO.
Kudos to the Judges---they warned drivers about what would happen if they slowed the pace too much second 1/4--this is the result of that.
Now they need to get after drivers who give up holes(Pigland is correct--some are paid to do it) because this really screws up racing. Drivers will argue that it's tactics--but in many scenarios, you can see that it's not.
Once they crack down on the drivers--hopefully betting will improve because bettors HATE betting on pet walkers--unless they are assured of a win by one of the above BS tactics._
IMHO--if horse guns to the lead one week then the following week--takes back when in the betting- -this should be questioned by the Judges and the answer PUBLISHED IN THE PROGRAM. There should be a Judges page after each meeting where Judges call drivers in to explain their tactics. Great handicapping tool and will soon put the BS driver excuses out there where everyone can see what happened instead of being treated like mushrooms.
The recent race in question certainly had confusion but it didn't look like it was caused by the leader who suffered the DQ
Hard sell for the gamblers who bet the horse who crossed the line first
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No --you would not unless you are riding shotgun----BUT one of the reasons why Bartlett and co(Dowse)and others--win so many races--is that when they look like the best on paper--the drivers bet on Bartlett-and he is allowed to stroll to the front and go an easy second 1/4 usually 29 and a piece. This eliminates any chance of a backmarker upsetting the apple cart. In a legit run race say a higher conditioned pace or claimer--no first half should go slower than 56 IMHO.
Kudos to the Judges---they warned drivers about what would happen if they slowed the pace too much second 1/4--this is the result of that.
Now they need to get after drivers who give up holes(Pigland is correct--some are paid to do it) because this really screws up racing. Drivers will argue that it's tactics--but in many scenarios, you can see that it's not.
Once they crack down on the drivers--hopefully betting will improve because bettors HATE betting on pet walkers--unless they are assured of a win by one of the above BS tactics._
IMHO--if horse guns to the lead one week then the following week--takes back when in the betting- -this should be questioned by the Judges and the answer PUBLISHED IN THE PROGRAM. There should be a Judges page after each meeting where Judges call drivers in to explain their tactics. Great handicapping tool and will soon put the BS driver excuses out there where everyone can see what happened instead of being treated like mushrooms.
Lmfaooooo
You will read in your program a driver saying, "Andrew gave me $1000 to make sure I wouldn't be in the top 3"
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Didn't John Campbell have the same thing happen at The Red Mile a few years back in a stakes race?
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Yes , and he got placed last and he was extremely angry. ;D ;D
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KIRBY you are the only one who actually gets it
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I'M STILL NOT BUYING THIS NEW RULE THAT SAYS IF YOU GO TOO SLOW YOU GET DQ'ED. HECK IF I WAS A DRIVER I WOULD NEVER GO TO THE FRONT IN THAT CASE. THIS TAKES ALL OF THE HANDICAPPING OUT OF HARNESS RACING IN MY OPINION. IF YOU WANNA TELL THE DRIVERS HOW TO DRIVE THE RACE, THEN JUST MAKE ALL OF THE RACES NON-BETTING. AT LEAST THAT WAY THE GAMBLING PUBLIC WON'T GET SCREWED WHEN THEY SEE THE HORSE THEY BET CROSS THE WIRE FIRST ONLY TO BE DQ'ED FOR NO OBVIOUS REASON. THE JUDGES SHOULD BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED WITH RACE FIXING AND TAMPERING. JUST MAKE THE RACES NON-BETTING. I MEAN THIS IS FRUSTRATING JUST READING THIS SHIT. WHAT ABOUT A TYPE OF HORSE THAT MAYBE GETS LAZY ONCE HE/SHE MAKES THE FRONT OR A HORSE THAT JUST CHILLS OUT BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE ANY COMPETITION. LIKE SOMEONE SAID EARLIER IN THIS THREAD, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE UP A RULE LIKE THIS, JUST FINE THE IDIOT DRIVERS BEHIND THE LEADER WHO DECIDED TO SIT INSIDE FORWHATER REASON. TOTAL BS A RULE LIKE THIS IS CONSIDERED RACE FIXING AND THE JUDGES SHOULD BE PROSECUTED
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I'M STILL NOT BUYING THIS NEW RULE THAT SAYS IF YOU GO TOO SLOW YOU GET DQ'ED. HECK IF I WAS A DRIVER I WOULD NEVER GO TO THE FRONT IN THAT CASE. THIS TAKES ALL OF THE HANDICAPPING OUT OF HARNESS RACING IN MY OPINION. IF YOU WANNA TELL THE DRIVERS HOW TO DRIVE THE RACE, THEN JUST MAKE ALL OF THE RACES NON-BETTING. AT LEAST THAT WAY THE GAMBLING PUBLIC WON'T GET SCREWED WHEN THEY SEE THE HORSE THEY BET CROSS THE WIRE FIRST ONLY TO BE DQ'ED FOR NO OBVIOUS REASON. THE JUDGES SHOULD BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED WITH RACE FIXING AND TAMPERING. JUST MAKE THE RACES NON-BETTING. I MEAN THIS IS FRUSTRATING JUST READING THIS SHIT. WHAT ABOUT A TYPE OF HORSE THAT MAYBE GETS LAZY ONCE HE/SHE MAKES THE FRONT OR A HORSE THAT JUST CHILLS OUT BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE ANY COMPETITION. LIKE SOMEONE SAID EARLIER IN THIS THREAD, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE UP A RULE LIKE THIS, JUST FINE THE IDIOT DRIVERS BEHIND THE LEADER WHO DECIDED TO SIT INSIDE FORWHATER REASON. TOTAL BS A RULE LIKE THIS IS CONSIDERED RACE FIXING AND THE JUDGES SHOULD BE PROSECUTED
I agree.
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I don’t
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So, you would pull 1st up just past the 1/4 on the 2/5 shot on the front on a half mile track? Let me know your name and I'll be sure to auto toss you in my selections!
You don't know that 1st Up is the 3rd likeliest trip to win a race on any size track.
I auto toss your losing ass.
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You don't know that 1st Up is the 3rd likeliest trip to win a race on any size track.
I auto toss your losing ass.
tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
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That rule definitely affects the outcome of a race. I think it gives the judges too much authority. If they fine the winning driver and DQ him, they you have to fine every single driver in the race to be fair. The winning driver slowed the pace then so did the others who didn’t pull.
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I'M STILL NOT BUYING THIS NEW RULE THAT SAYS IF YOU GO TOO SLOW YOU GET DQ'ED. HECK IF I WAS A DRIVER I WOULD NEVER GO TO THE FRONT IN THAT CASE. THIS TAKES ALL OF THE HANDICAPPING OUT OF HARNESS RACING IN MY OPINION. IF YOU WANNA TELL THE DRIVERS HOW TO DRIVE THE RACE, THEN JUST MAKE ALL OF THE RACES NON-BETTING. AT LEAST THAT WAY THE GAMBLING PUBLIC WON'T GET SCREWED WHEN THEY SEE THE HORSE THEY BET CROSS THE WIRE FIRST ONLY TO BE DQ'ED FOR NO OBVIOUS REASON. THE JUDGES SHOULD BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED WITH RACE FIXING AND TAMPERING. JUST MAKE THE RACES NON-BETTING. I MEAN THIS IS FRUSTRATING JUST READING THIS SHIT. WHAT ABOUT A TYPE OF HORSE THAT MAYBE GETS LAZY ONCE HE/SHE MAKES THE FRONT OR A HORSE THAT JUST CHILLS OUT BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE ANY COMPETITION. LIKE SOMEONE SAID EARLIER IN THIS THREAD, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE UP A RULE LIKE THIS, JUST FINE THE IDIOT DRIVERS BEHIND THE LEADER WHO DECIDED TO SIT INSIDE FORWHATER REASON. TOTAL BS A RULE LIKE THIS IS CONSIDERED RACE FIXING AND THE JUDGES SHOULD BE PROSECUTED
EVERYONE @ THE YONKER KNOWS THAT BRENT DRIVES FOR A GROUP OF BIG LAS VEGAS GAMBLERS, AND RIGHT OR WRONG IN THIS CASE, THEY LOVE TO SCREW WITH HIM TO FOOL UP THEIR 'FIXED' RACE.
SO THEY CHASE A FEW MORE BETTORS AWAY, WHO NEEDS THEM?
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Confusion? Lol
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If the winning driver is guilty, so are every other driver in the race for not going after him. Fine one, fine all. tmbz1 I also agree with whoever said refund the players money. Yonkers judges can’t have it both ways. I watched the replay and he never caused any interference that I saw. Refund the players money if they’re going to take a horse don for some made up new rule.
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Why wasn't ALLUNEEDISFAITH N dq'd at Saratoga today. 31 second 2nd quarter in the Open Class?
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That rule definitely affects the outcome of a race. I think it gives the judges too much authority. If they fine the winning driver and DQ him, they you have to fine every single driver in the race to be fair. The winning driver slowed the pace then so did the others who didn’t pull.
Yes it does… it often times will get a pre determined (favorite with early speed) winner beat.
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Better racing. In the last 3 nights , 27 races, just 9 horses that were on top at the quarter pole win….
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Why wasn't ALLUNEEDISFAITH N dq'd at Saratoga today. 31 second 2nd quarter in the Open Class?
The judges had him on their ticket
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You don't know that 1st Up is the 3rd likeliest trip to win a race on any size track.
I auto toss your losing ass.
What's the first and second? I bet no1 is FRONT END off a SLOW HALF!
And don't tell TT that! You'll hardly ever see him 1st up!
Can tell you're a non-driving moron! Only thing you set behind is a computer. When you drive some winners come talk to me then!
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ARENT YOU THE IDIOT WHO COMPLAINS ABOUT HIS POSTS BEING DELETED?
I SEE WHY
YOU DONT KNOW YOUR ASS FROM THE PROVERBIAL HOLE IN THE GROUND
SO I GUESS NO SPEED HORSES ARE SPOSED TO WIN, ONLY CUM FROM BEHIND :1 ARE SPOSED TO AND SCREW THE BETTOR WHILE DOING SO
REDISTRIBUTE THE PURSE, FINE THE DRIVERS, FOR A BAD CONTEST, BUT DONT FUCK WITH THE BETTING RESULTS. THAT MAKES THE SPORT LOOK MO CROOKED THAN EVER.JUDGES SHOULD NOT DETERMINE WHO WINS A BET
What's the first and second? I bet no1 is FRONT END off a SLOW HALF!
And don't tell TT that! You'll hardly ever see him 1st up!
Can tell you're a non-driving moron! Only thing you set behind is a computer. When you drive some winners come talk to me then!
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What's the first and second? I bet no1 is FRONT END off a SLOW HALF!
And don't tell TT that! You'll hardly ever see him 1st up!
Can tell you're a non-driving moron! Only thing you set behind is a computer. When you drive some winners come talk to me then!
Most drivers are absolute morons and you can see that from the moves or non moves on the track.
What are your chances of winning sitting 4th or 5th on the rail ?
Why do you dummies leave from post 7 or 8 get a tuck 4th and sit in getting shuffled to last ? Smart move leaving.
The worst of the worst is when you sit in AGAIN and the guy in front of you can't keep up. Brilliant !!!!!
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HEAR THAT FELLAS
32 SECOND OPENING QUARTERS ARE TO BE REINTRODUCED,
GIVE THEM WHAT THEY AXE FOR, I SAY
FUCK EM ALL