CONGRATS TO BILL ROBINSON

[slimshady]

"I don't think he did anything that wasn't being done by 100 other guys... and compared to now.. Hay and Oats!!!"

He was the biggest cheat of all time and because of that, no one really knows how good a horseman he really was, if at all.
When a big star gets caught in other sports, they cease to exist.
Lance Armstrong     Sammy Sosa    Marion Jones

In SB racing, they have nominated him for the Hall of Fame.
It's embarrassing. 

[Jctoronto]

should a miracle happen and the most brazen chemist of all horsetime get put in, I wonder which son will induct him..the one with the fines and suspenion past or the one with fines and suspension past
((first thing they teach you as a parent: lock the medicine cabinet)))

[Atthetrack7]

 I for one have cashed many bets using Robinsons horses, the man is a winner and I think that he should be a HOF member before that POS Andrew Cohen.  Cohen is a member of the Fake News Member who slants articles to whether he or his horses win at the track on the weekend;
  HRU has lost all credibility with me for letting A*Hole Cohen write articles for them

[slimshady]

"HRU has lost all credibility with me for letting A*Hole Cohen write articles for them."

Don't know him, so can't confirm if he is an ahole or not, but he is right on about Robinson.

Happy you cashed some tickets, but there were honest trainers, fighting for their livings, chasing his strung out horses around the track. 

If they put him in any hall of fame, they better keep an eye on his photo.   Someone will mess it up.
I may go tape a syringe on it !!!

[Jctoronto]

Follow up to slimshady.

Robinson and fam cheated hundreds of times...just like hundreds of other north american harness trainers..all of it: repulsive dirty and grounds for permanent barring.

Obviously he shouldn't be anywhere near a hall of fame of any kind. 

Like slimshady posed:  the financial damage done by racing 'honestly' is immeasureable. 
*Whether it was a juiced robinson horse that got to the front first and strung and hung your 'honest' horse out, giving you a hay money purse fifth..and robinson's horse a hanging on for second, healthy chunk of the pie..or maybe it was his horse coming on late for third while your honest steed left in fourth dust.
*Whether it was freshfaced owners new to the game w/ $$$$money to buy in strong and picking "top of the standings" trainer robinson over you or your brothers clean training operation, eventually sending you out the door.
*Whether it was oft penalized Robinson being unchecked handing his stock to 'naive' sons to 'watch over' during his absense..sure
*Whether it was robinson whispering at a table of 3 or 4 that i have gelrod horse now and itll be coming home as 16 dollar winner.shhh...unb enounced to thousands of other wagerers..and to many other 'honest' horsemen who are in that race ..missing both bigger chunk of purse, lowering their training percentage(thus lessening potential clients from signing on). Clearly honesty in the backstretch is for suckers.

We know this game: back then and now...a devastating cutthroat cruel hardass business that nice guys have no chance.
Robinson is one of those training pioneers.  So many of harness racing's 'most wanted' list, that list of cheating dirty trainers, that could hang in the local post office, next to photos of kidnappers of missing children and criminal illegal aliens. They're all in same pot. Slime.

[Duke]

Barry Bonds Roger Clemens and Mark McgWire will NEVER get in the HOF because of PEDS BUT Bill Robinson will, Joke right.
      EPO positive and several more positives that were all performance enhancement. He might be a nice guy and maybe people have forgotten his history but all his achievements should be noted with an asterisk * beside it because his horses were not clean.
He is that guy that when a horse changed barn to his they went off at even money and dropped by 4 seconds within a week. The first Lou Pena.

[mohawkid]

Duke I don’t think he ever got an EPO
Positive
Do you know what his positives were for ?

[whiptherabbit]

The best Big Bill betting bonanza thwt a few cashed big on was Dreamfair Vogel first start Robinson from Jason Libby. The horse grew an extra leg, absolutely crushed and paid over $50 to win. Summer of 2002 I believe.

[Mazola]

I had him...Randy driving.

[whiptherabbit]

Yes sir, a Saturday night, a great night indeed

[bond]

Duke I don’t think he ever got an EPO
Positive
Do you know what his positives were for ?

Bill Robinson received over 10 positives in his career-leading up to the last big one-a tCO2-where they nailed him with a 5 year suspension and 100,000$ fine!
Then he came up with Ephedrine in his latest  comeback-so he is now retired.
IMHO most of the positives he received were therapeutic positives which should have resulted in fines only--but since he was highly successful -jealous mfers-threw the book at him.
Shame because IMHO-even if he used 0 drugs-he would still have been able to out train 99% of the Competition-he was that good.
Bit like Lance Armstrong-you wont convince me that Lance was not a great cyclist. Ive read books on him and in there physiologists have said that Armstrong was by far the best athlete they ever tested-and that was without the drugs. Its a real shame he took them and will forever tarnish his name.

[Brown jug]

bond, you bring up an interesting point
its not the great ones that need the drugs, it is the mediocre and losers that use them so they can compete
but then the good trainers or cyclists see they are getting beat by guys they should not be
if Armstrong was the best and no one else was taking drugs why would he, but clearly he felt they had a big enough impact on other riders so he decided he must as well to keep up
I am not suggesting the same scenario exists in harness racing but think about, some guy who has been training for 20 or more years doing it the right way has his horses getting thumped by some guy who has trained for a year and never sits in a jog bike, wtf are they supposed to do , lose their living , likely the only thing they know how to do
and then it just multiplies  from there
remember every sprinter in the Olympic gold medal race where ben Johnson got caught was on steroids, because they had to be !!

[Calhoun]

Bill Robinson received over 10 positives in his career-leading up to the last big one-a tCO2-where they nailed him with a 5 year suspension and 100,000$ fine!
Then he came up with Ephedrine in his latest  comeback-so he is now retired.
IMHO most of the positives he received were therapeutic positives which should have resulted in fines only--but since he was highly successful -jealous mfers-threw the book at him.
Shame because IMHO-even if he used 0 drugs-he would still have been able to out train 99% of the Competition-he was that good.
Bit like Lance Armstrong-you wont convince me that Lance was not a great cyclist. Ive read books on him and in there physiologists have said that Armstrong was by far the best athlete they ever tested-and that was without the drugs. Its a real shame he took them and will forever tarnish his name.

I read your ideas in an article that included

"Well, she's almost a virgin."

"Well, she's just a little bit pregnant."

Once a cheat, always a cheat.

[slimshady]

"Shame because IMHO-even if he used 0 drugs-he would still have been able to out train 99% of the Competition-he was that good."

How was he going to out train 99% of the competition?  What magical horse skills did he have besides the best juice. 

Next you'll be telling me that Menary should go into the HOF next year. 

[ToughTony]

All these losers try and be chemists....most are to stupid.  Big Bill pushed the envelope, that's for sure. He never sat on his laurels. Every day he tried to be a better trainer, make his track better, tried different equipment...he did things hos way and wasn't afraid to try new things.  He did what ever it took to win a race....gas and all. At least as a bettor you know what you were getting.  I remember that Dreamfair Vogel night, horse was awesome.....blew it all at the rippers.  That year was by far the greatest collection of 3 yr olds in one stable ever.