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Political Roundtable / Re: Iran War updates: 9-29-2026
« Last post by andrew on Today at 04:59:20 PM »
The deflection continues from those who don’t read, educate, and learn what the real world is in 2026!

describe yourself perfectly  11.wp
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Political Roundtable / Re: more GOP nonsense 10-1-26
« Last post by andrew on Today at 04:58:13 PM »
Plenty of proof of this too!


SHOW IT  11.wp
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Political Roundtable / Re: Trump approval rating 10-3-26
« Last post by andrew on Today at 04:57:15 PM »

E D M 51 101 TDS

stupid///never had an alias///dont need loans///dint go to college to be a career shelf stocker///js
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Harness Racing / Re: Seepage
« Last post by Trigger on Today at 04:56:18 PM »
Try Flex Seal

That's just a brand  ngc3

Here you go GOAT, first we'll have Kirby suck out the seepage, he'll dry the area and apply this stuff  tmbz1

Enjoy Kirby, be well GOAT, happy to help!  ;D

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Harness Racing / Re: Big Ranger
« Last post by Kenny on Today at 04:07:31 PM »
handle schmandle
its not 2000
purses and opportunities at all time high

Quote
The economic consensus from public finance experts, independent state auditors, and economists indicates that redirecting horse racing subsidies toward public infrastructure, education, or tax reductions would likely generate a significantly higher broad-based economic benefit for society as a whole.
While the horse racing industry argues that public funds support vital agricultural jobs, land preservation, and rural economies, macroeconomists view this debate through the lens of opportunity cost—the lost benefit of not choosing the next best alternative. [1, 2]
The economic trade-offs can be analyzed by comparing the impact of horse racing subsidies against these alternative public investments:
## Direct Economic Multipliers
Economic "multipliers" calculate how much total economic activity is generated for every dollar spent by the government.

| Investment Type | Economic Multiplier & Footprint | Primary Societal Benefit |
|---|---|---|
| Infrastructure (Roads & Bridges) | High (typically 1.5x to 2.0x). Directly reduces logistics costs for all businesses and improves regional commerce efficiency. | Permanent assets that serve the entire public and boost long-term productivity. |
| Education (Schools & Pre-K) | Very High (Long-term). Boosts future worker productivity, raises future tax revenues, and lowers public assistance costs. | Upgrades human capital; addresses skilled labor shortages across all industries. |
| Tax Reductions | Moderate to High. Puts cash back into the private sector, increasing consumer spending or private corporate investment. | Increases general economic liquidity and household purchasing power. |
| Horse Racing Subsidies | Low (Highly Concentrated). Money primarily inflates purses and breeder incentives. High leakage occurs as prize money often leaves the state. | Supports a niche sector, agricultural suppliers, and specialized equine employment. |

------------------------------
## The Economic Rationale for Redirecting Funds

*
* Public vs. Private Goods: Roads, bridges, and public schools are classic public goods that suffer from the "free-rider problem" if left to the private market. Because they benefit everyone but are unprofitable for a single person to build, public dollars spent here fix a market failure. Horse racing, conversely, is a private entertainment and gambling industry. Critics argue that subsidizing a private sport with public cash distorts the market to support an industry with declining natural consumer demand. [3, 4, 5, 6]
* The "Leakage" Problem: Independent fiscal studies—such as those evaluating [Pennsylvania's multi-billion dollar slot-tax subsidies](https://www.thecentersquare.com/pennsylvania/article_812c5dee-a6ac-11ed-bd87-b7978946c4c5.html)—have noted significant financial leakage. A large portion of subsidized purse money is won by out-of-state owners, trainers, and syndicates who do not reinvest those dollars locally. Conversely, a bridge repaired or a school built represents 100% local physical investment. [3, 7, 8, 9]
* Broad-Based Utility: Infrastructure and schools benefit every single industry, commuter, and family within a geographic region. Horse racing subsidies support a highly specific, concentrated micro-economy (e.g., hay/straw farmers, veterinarians, and jockeys). [2, 10]
*

## The Counter-Argument from the Racing Industry
Proponents of maintaining the status quo argue that the term "subsidy" is a misnomer. In states like New York and Pennsylvania, these funds are legally mandated shares of casino slot-machine revenue designed to compensate racetracks for the loss of gambling market share to casinos. The industry highlights that these funds preserve tens of thousands of agricultural acres from urban development and anchor secondary rural economies that might otherwise collapse. [1, 2, 11, 12]
Ultimately, from a strict, macro-level societal standpoint, spending millions on foundational public infrastructure or education creates a much larger, self-sustaining ripple effect through the broader economy than propping up a niche commercial entertainment industry. [3, 8]
Are you evaluating these economic impacts for a specific state budget debate (like Pennsylvania or New York), or are you looking for the exact mathematical formulas economists use to calculate infrastructure multipliers? [7, 13]

[1] [https://www.countryside-alliance.org](https://www.countryside-alliance.org/resources/politics/the-role-of-the-racing-and-breeding-industry-in-rural-communities)
[2] [https://pennhorseracing.com](https://pennhorseracing.com/pennsylvania-economic-impact/pennsylvania-economic-benefits/)
[3] [https://www.kidsoverhorseracing.org](https://www.kidsoverhorseracing.org/uploads/1/2/6/1/126191702/final_for_immediate_release_rhdf_5-26-2020final.pdf)
[4] [https://lizfarmer.substack.com](https://lizfarmer.substack.com/p/when-states-take-over-horseracing)
[5] [https://www.nytimes.com](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/28/opinion/horse-racing-government-subsidies.html)
[6] [https://www.chegg.com](https://www.chegg.com/homework-help/questions-and-answers/public-schools-parks-libraries-roads-paid-largely-tax-revenue--goods-create-free-rider-pro-q13484841)
[7] [https://www.thecentersquare.com](https://www.thecentersquare.com/pennsylvania/article_812c5dee-a6ac-11ed-bd87-b7978946c4c5.html)
[8] [https://www.thecentersquare.com](https://www.thecentersquare.com/pennsylvania/article_812c5dee-a6ac-11ed-bd87-b7978946c4c5.html)
[9] [https://www.tribtoday.com](https://www.tribtoday.com/news/local-news/2015/09/horse-subsidy-draws-debate/)
[10] [https://www.theplaidhorse.com](https://www.theplaidhorse.com/2025/01/13/the-economics-of-horse-racing/)
[11] [https://www.reddit.com](https://www.reddit.com/r/Pennsylvania/comments/1lxdm2q/pa_needs_to_stop_subsidizing_horse_racing_and_put/)
[12] [https://www.post-gazette.com](https://www.post-gazette.com/news/state/2024/01/10/pennsylvania-horse-racing-taxpayer-subsidy/stories/202401100080)
[13] https://www.endhorseracingsubsidies.com
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Harness Racing / Re: chris lems
« Last post by Grandstand Handicapper on Today at 04:03:33 PM »
Don't know if true or not, but one of the guys on the backstretch at the red mile said he had several broken ribs and something with his back. Again, I don't know if it's true or not, but the guy said he was wearing a brace, but was getting better.
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Harness Racing / Re: Another Ohio Disgrace
« Last post by Kenny on Today at 04:01:58 PM »
Dayton
Over 1.7 million in purses and can't even handle 1 million. What a fucking embarrassment. The Meadowlands handles nearly 3 million with amateur races.  ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3

Ohio is a cesspool.

With the exception of the Meadowlands and possibly Mohawk, name tracks which consistently cover the purses with the takeout from handle.
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Harness Racing / Re: Seepage
« Last post by Kirby's Ace on Today at 04:01:48 PM »
Try Flex Seal
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Harness Racing / Re: Big Ranger
« Last post by Kenny on Today at 03:58:03 PM »
handle schmandle
its not 2000
purses and opportunities at all time high

And how long do you expect the "general public doesn't know harness racing is alive" to continue to allow BILLIONS to go to harness racing?
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Harness Racing / Another Ohio Disgrace
« Last post by MIKE CAMPBELL on Today at 03:37:57 PM »
Dayton
Over 1.7 million in purses and can't even handle 1 million. What a fucking embarrassment. The Meadowlands handles nearly 3 million with amateur races.  ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3

Ohio is a cesspool.
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