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Harness Racing / Re: Saturday night's TVG races at the Meadowlands!
« Last post by Grandstand Handicapper on November 17, 2025, 05:39:24 PM »
The Hambo Society better be careful. The Meadowlands and Woodbine are the only tracks that can truly garner interest nationally and with handle. All the peeps love the Red Mile because the farms are there but the handles are atrocious and isnt the place a dump. The Meadowlands is the best track in the world and horsemen should be grovelling for that casino to get it back to its glory...and it will never return to what it was in the 80s and 90s but easily it should be the dominant track

Absolutely agreed. It will never be what it was. It's a very different world today. However, with a casino, and what else Gural wants to do, it can and will be the premier harness racing track in NA.
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Harness Racing / Re: Saturday night's TVG races at the Meadowlands!
« Last post by The Answer on November 17, 2025, 05:38:05 PM »
Gural is on record that the doors are closing if they dont get the casino

They could do 4 million a night every night. They would still close.

He has no meaningful handle on imported signals. The vast majority of the live handle is from adw retail accounts and CAWs.

The current business model doesnt work. Apparently even with the sports business.

The true description of it would be whatever the polar opposite of "thriving" is

Fanduel profits about 300 million a year at the Meadowlands. Best estimates are Gural gets 15% about 45 million a year. He’s making money even with the expense of the racing. Fanduel can exist without racing at the Meadowlands but racing is just a write off on Gural’s tax bill. His threat of closing the track without a casino is just a threat.
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Harness Racing / Re: Top 10 out east swamp trainers . How many drug suspects?
« Last post by hoosierboy on November 17, 2025, 05:03:06 PM »
No competative trainer is sending them to post on only hay and oates
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Sports Wagering - Tips & Picks / Re: It's here. 2025-2026 college BB ball.
« Last post by JOHN FRANK on November 17, 2025, 05:01:04 PM »
Current record.....18-16
OH look,me floatin above 500.
Tonights games.

FLORIDA A+M/GEORGIA.....Under 170.5
GEORGIA good,but if this goes over 170.5,I will go to a bait shop and get me nightcrawers and roast them and attempt to swallow the mess.
OAKLAND.....+13.5
Me thinks they can cover. But me prayers that BALLOOONHEAD has a massive HART-O-TAC at one of his blabbering DAiley shitshows at WHITE HOUSE has not worked out yet.
OREGON STATE/OREGON.....Over 140.5
2 teams I do not like. Both play like SHIT. Slow and methodotical. Puts one to sleep. Glad the SHITSHOW don't come on till 9PM by me. Havin said that: the score most likly will be 65-60.
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Current rscord.....17-39
What a SHITSHOW.
We will play tonight. Should hit 40 losses. TOO bad me ain't young and playin. Although I never played footsie ball. I'd be throwin games to make some MOOLA.
Tonights game.

COWBOY'S.....-3.5
JFA, I too am having a bad betting year on football. The teams you'd expect to do are so unpredictable from week to week.
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Current rscord.....17-39
What a SHITSHOW.
We will play tonight. Should hit 40 losses. TOO bad me ain't young and playin. Although I never played footsie ball. I'd be throwin games to make some MOOLA.
Tonights game.

COWBOY'S.....-3.5
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Harness Racing / Re: Saturday night's TVG races at the Meadowlands!
« Last post by Laag on November 17, 2025, 04:40:38 PM »
The Hambo Society better be careful. The Meadowlands and Woodbine are the only tracks that can truly garner interest nationally and with handle. All the peeps love the Red Mile because the farms are there but the handles are atrocious and isnt the place a dump. The Meadowlands is the best track in the world and horsemen should be grovelling for that casino to get it back to its glory...and it will never return to what it was in the 80s and 90s but easily it should be the dominant track
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Harness Racing / Re: Matron last night
« Last post by Laag on November 17, 2025, 04:38:21 PM »
Beau Jangles should be horse of the year period. He has put together an undefeated 2yo season. He won the 2 biggest races for 2yos. He took on all the up and comers from around the country.

Yo Tillie didnt race in the Hambo Oaks and they didnt supplement her to the Futurity and she lost that start to Delaney Hanover...sure only one loss but she missed the 2 of the 3 biggest races of the year

The only true case is Miki and Minnie especially because she beat aged mares going away in her last start. 2 losses and again she skipped KY and that could make a difference

Lexus Kody didnt win the BC so its a nada on him as HOY

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Harness Racing / Re: Top 10 out east swamp trainers . How many drug suspects?
« Last post by seen2much on November 17, 2025, 04:22:32 PM »
Burke is the obvious one. He beat all the ones arrested, learned from no real horseman, didn't grow up in the business, and never has a down year.
Pelling got a 10 year vacation. He came back & picked up where he left off.
Engblom has ridiculous success & his barn grew like all the ones before him.
Bongiorno clan went right into stardom. There was no learning curve. Check the family history and....
Ake has well bred horses & is highly regarded... but most think he cheats.
Takter was given a retirement for cheating.
There are many more. The results they have at the swamp are often less than other tracks.
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Harness Racing / Re: Matron last night
« Last post by Grandstand Handicapper on November 17, 2025, 03:23:57 PM »
Long time discussion and debate. Similar to the talk about Beau Jangles and possibly getting HOTY. It's a cross-border, political, etc., type of discussion. The colt is again # 1 in the polls and while it comes from the USHWA, the Dan Patch Horse of the Year award is very coveted. Will he become the first Dan Patch Horse of the Year winner.....althou gh he never raced in the US. Forget about that, it is rare for any 2yo to get HOTY, and the last one who did also went undefeated in 12 starts as a 2yo! Other than that, I can only remember Niatross and Bret Hanover getting it.

I think there is, or used to be a requirement for HOTY, that the horse races in the US at least twice. Not sure if that still stands. Not taking anything away from some of the other legit contenders, but I think you can make a hell of a case for Beau Jangles. In today's day and age, aside from where the BC is held, many feel the biggest, most prestigious, most important, races are north of the border.
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