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Harness Racing / Re: Dooomsday for Howard....or not
« Last post by AgentQ on November 24, 2025, 08:43:53 PM »
I know that. Commonplace. I just don't know what occurred here. I know with the one or two big names, they paid a bill. They never received product.

why is Per, Jared, DeVita and a few others 6-8K a month and the others, whom by the way have a UTDR of .250-.280  3-4K? IF you are that naive then I think it best to flip over to another thread. Nothing new here to report in 2025, back in the day it was cliffy Sielgel paying for the hydro with the exact same profile as Prevost and company. Good honest horsemen are always put in an tough spot always hoping the commissions will catch the thieves. I have no time for people that have been around for more than a minute to not call it for what it is. Doesn't even matter come to think of it, the business is done with serious contraction taking place for the better part of a decade. Nobody can unite and get anything done and racing will continue to trip over itself. Wish I had a better take but I've been around a long time, from grooming to training to owning---there is no hope.
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Harness Racing / Re: The Clegg family
« Last post by Kole Hanover on November 24, 2025, 08:39:20 PM »
Bullshit

You just waited until events occurred and did a lot of Copy N Paste. That's it. Nothing else.

Nobody in important positions or the press or the regulators credits you with a fucking single thing publicly.

As an aside your Youtube Video Short from the 22nd has ZERO (0) (NIL) views.  ngc3 ngc3 ngc3

How is that even possible?   ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3

Ya drip.

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Harness Racing / Re: First Tracks Cumberland
« Last post by chief yogi on November 24, 2025, 08:38:32 PM »
not only is it all chalk due to race dept. doing whatever to fill a race. been going on at all maine tracks and fairs. some races have so many conditions attached race should just read open to horses with 4 legs. i love it when its a tm 58 or 60 nw500 last 4. horse with no earnings can be a plainridge open horse with at tm of 85.
   other thing i really dont like is race after race a horse that should go off around 6/5 or so goes to the gate at 2-1 and 10 seconds into race its 1-9.  never seen so many 1=9 shots. most should not be that low.
   this year completes 5th year of first tracks cumberland after being told 1 year then there will be racing at a new track. not even a ceremonial shovel of dirt so far.
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Harness Racing / Re: Dooomsday for Howard....or not
« Last post by Grandstand Handicapper on November 24, 2025, 07:39:09 PM »
Most likely the trainers ordered the products and had Fishman bill the owners. Happens with most veterinarians too.

I know that. Commonplace. I just don't know what occurred here. I know with the one or two big names, they paid a bill. They never received product.
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Harness Racing / Re: The Clegg family
« Last post by hoosierboy on November 24, 2025, 07:34:15 PM »
Is it possible that a horse like Dunkin and Janelle granny could have jumped started a good couple years run and allowed them to buy a bunch of horses?? I'd say yes. But small minded people probably think no.   Did he have horses for D racing? Yes. So have other guys and are they all getting licenses revoked etc?

I don’t recall them having horses with D Racing.  Was there hidden ownership
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Harness Racing / Re: Talk Dark Stranger will Destroy the Breed
« Last post by seen2much on November 24, 2025, 07:27:17 PM »
Who are going to breed to? Sweet Lou is expensive and only Burke has good ones...PASS
Captain not cheap and seems to have less good ones...PASS
Who is the leading sire and who is the best value?
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Harness Racing / Re: The Clegg family
« Last post by seen2much on November 24, 2025, 07:24:22 PM »
Another family in harness racing that breaks all the rules. SMH
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Harness Racing / Re: Dooomsday for Howard....or not
« Last post by seen2much on November 24, 2025, 07:21:56 PM »
That all makes sense to me. Where there's smoke there's fire, very true many times. Perhaps even most of the time. But here's the way I see this when you break it down. I am not saying I would give Ford a pass or not. However, here is what I am saying. One, as far as who he selected to give horses to train, specifically Jeff Gillis, I am not condeming Ford for that unless we start condeming all of Gillis' other owners. I don't see any governing body or authority taking action against Ford because he chose Gillis. As far as Gills, the guy won what, 5 or 6 O'Brien awards? For several years he was a top trainer. Many people sent him horses. Now he gets nailed for the Fishman aspect, and I am all for banning him. Good riddance.

Two, are people saying Ford was in on it? He knew and was involved in the purchase of illegal drugs? He had knowledge, involvment, whatever else? Great, prove it. I am not talking about what some arm-chair desparado says or claims on some internet forum. Prove it. Let's see who takes action. Let's wait for all the excuses when nothing ever happens to Ford on this. Now, should he be held to a higher standard as the President of the SBOANJ. Legally, no. However, personally, I would want to see a higher standard. The optics are bad, without question, but I am not going to ban a guy or ruin his life for optics. If every owner wants to leave him because of this, so be it. Ford will bear the consequences of his decisions and actions.

Three, as far the trainers who stable at his training center, I agree. I have a problem with that. Especially since he is the President. If you let criminals stable at your training center, even if you knew nothing, it still is reflective of your professional decisions and how you run your business. I don't know how many trainers he has there total, and how many got indicted, charged, etc. But more than one is a problem in my mind, and a pattern is even worse. I know people have shared this with him. If a governing body or authority wants to do something about it, I am all for it. But if it doesn't happen, I am not going to lower myself and buy into mud-slinging and BS claims made by people who IMO have an obvious conflict and vendetta against someone-----whether it's about this, or other issues. I have people here on ignore, so I don't even read their BS, yet alone participate in it. Thanks. I appreciate your comments and perspective.
Gillis had fallen on hard times. He became a super trainer again in the US. Ford holding the positions he has should be held to higher standard. Ignorance or I didn't know is not an acceptable defense. Ford has been around long enough to know what is right, wrong, and when to ask questions.
The amount of bad actors on his farm is embarrassing. A man holding his titles has to do better.
In the real world Ford would have been fired or resigned. Harness racing is cheating in plain sight and no one cares.
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Harness Racing / Re: Dooomsday for Howard....or not
« Last post by Stan durbread on November 24, 2025, 07:14:53 PM »
BTW, as far as Taylor, while I agree with your outcome/resolution, my reasoning or my getting there may be different. Moot however. I saw a "big" name or two on those lists. People who I believe are legit, upstanding members of this industry. They bought stuff-----but not the illegal blood building whatever it was that was in question---that Taylor was buying. They bought other stuff. I don't know if it was liquid aspirin or something legal, or another illegal drug. If it wasn't the former I would have expected action to be taken-----investigation, charges, etc. Gural didn't do a thing about those names, and neither did any governing body or authority. I didn't see their licenses get suspended. I haven't seen those one or two names-----accused of anything, yet alone what Taylor has been accused of.

I still don't know if it's the case, but my question is, was Taylor buying monthly/regularly? It looks like it. More important, was he having it shipped to him, taking possession of the items in question, and distributing to his trainers? Even if he wasn't, I think there is still enough going on here that he has culpability.

Most likely the trainers ordered the products and had Fishman bill the owners. Happens with most veterinarians too.
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Harness Racing / Re: Dooomsday for Howard....or not
« Last post by Yonkers1A on November 24, 2025, 07:02:36 PM »
Its the old, where there's smoke there's usually fire. With Ford, it's two-fold: one, he gave horses to other trainers to train. On the surface you might give him a pass but if you dig deeper the guys he elected to use turned out to be some of the guys implicated in the Seth Fishman fiasco. At minimum that's a bad look, especially if you're the president of the Horsemen's Association. Others might take a more viscerable view and come to the conclusion that there was willfull intent to use those guys to win substantial purse money while technically avoiding any responsibility. Add to that the reputation of his training facility being the haven for dubious trainers that continually strike at a unfathomable win rate throughout New York, especially Yonkers and you can see why many are not fond of him. As for Howard, I think there exists a new sentiment that it's time to deal with this guy. And outside of cutting off CAW, this is the single biggest reason why so many owners have given up. For decades they race against guys like Taylor who only supports high percentage trainers and will move a horse in an instant.

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