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Thoroughbred Racing / Saratoga race 3---
« Last post by rainman2 on Today at 02:42:43 PM »
A few of the best jockeys riding this class of horse---$13K CLAIMING  Purse: $37K



PP 1

Normandy Coast
Irad Ortiz, Jr., 121 lbs
Joe Sharp

Norwich
Ricardo Santana, Jr., 121 lbs
Michael J. Maker
4

PP 4
Dot's Dollar
Dylan Davis, 123 lbs
Joe Sharp


Fifty Cent Dollars
Luis Saez, 123 lbs
Steven M. Asmussen
7


Mr Skylight
Christopher Elliott, 123 lbs
Robert N. Falcone, Jr.
8


Sheriff Bianco
Manuel Franco, 123 lbs
Linda Rice

9
Hey Toby
Kendrick Carmouche, 123 lbs
Jeremiah C. Englehart

Why??
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Harness Racing / Re: ADIOS PICS FOR SATURDAY AT MEADOWS..
« Last post by Bitter Truth on Today at 02:40:54 PM »
Wilder doesn't drive nearly as much as he used BUT has been driving REALLY well. tmbz1
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Harness Racing / Re: THE STABLE RETURN ON INVESTMENT
« Last post by dougie on Today at 02:19:58 PM »
I've been working with VIP Stable for over 2 years and now I'm up to around 10 horses owning 5% on most.  1% isn't enough for me but 5% feels like I have skin in the game.  I've owned as much as 14% of a horse and that was a great ride when they were racing well.  You definitely can't expect to make money but it sure is nice when you do receive an ACH payment.  VIP has bottom claimer horses all the way up to top level invitational horses with some young sire stake horses.  I've certainly had fun and I currently own some high level horses that I overpaid and some I got cheap during their owner auctions where owners can sell their shares to the highest bidder.

Bills are as expected with the occasional shock vet bill but you pay 100% of the bills and only get 85% of the proceeds.  When you throw in shipping fees, it cuts another few points off.  Both the 2 years I bought in on have been busts so far but fingers crossed they turn it around.
Thank you so much for that honest appraisal of VIP Stables horse partnership. I have heard some negative comments on here over the years, but I never read such an insightful in-depth look at what they have to offer. I have a friend who's thinking about it for a long time now. He hasn't pulled the "trigger yet", but I showed him your post. Good luck and continued success with VIP.
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Harness Racing / Re: THE STABLE RETURN ON INVESTMENT
« Last post by ECU Pirate on Today at 02:18:16 PM »
Before VIP, I got my start in fractional ownership with Stake Your Claim Stable in the early 2000's.  Old school way of doing things with everything done on paper and snail mailed and no website, just a phone number to call to get a voicemail update of race results and entries.  Does anyone know what happened to them????  I went back probably 10 years ago looking for them and you can't find anything on SYC or the owners.  Did they just fold and divest or did something happen?
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What do you specifically do you think that has put and kept you in the black?

Good Luck Dougie?  ;D
I think for me it's strictly "spot playing" that's allowed me to do well. After years of getting beaten to a pulp betting 10 races on a 10 race card, I limit myself to about 7-8 wagers per week. I know someone out there can probably hit 10 races on a 10 race card. But not me. Ever. LOL! My success rate has blossomed a lot by betting stakes races and high priced allowance races with the throughbreds. Cheap races always seem to be so inconsistent. In cheap harness races, it seems that they "take turns" winning. That screws the bettor and allows them to rarely run the same two races in a row. So I'm kind of sour betting that game. I read the throughbreds entries daily and follow up reading a lot of "expert" opinions from handicappers on various sites. I also make "trip notes" for every race I bet which enables me to streamline my handicapping. I love the meets at the Spa, Keeneland, and Colonial Downs. So i'm apt to wager a little more on races I like there. But the most important aspect of me is money management. To many players "chase" on a bad streak. That makes it worse. They keep betting hoping to "get even". Best to let that losing wager go, regroup, and load up on a race that shows value and a better return the next time. I having a pretty good year so far. I'll just keep on plugging away.
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Harness Racing / Re: ADIOS PICS FOR SATURDAY AT MEADOWS..
« Last post by rainman2 on Today at 01:38:49 PM »
The full Adios field:

(post, horse, trainer, driver, morning line odds)
1) Another C Note – Ron Burke – Dexter Dunn (12-1)
2) Frantic Hanover – Ron Burke – Tim Tetrick (6-1)
3) Odds On Mr Mamba – Melanie Wrenn – James MacDonald (3-1)
4) Al Papi – Ron Burke – Yannick Gingras (5-2)
5) Loua Dipa – Ron Burke – Mike Wilder (6-1)
6) Sweet Lovin Lou – Daniel Lagace – Scott Zeron (12-1)
7) Treacherous Lou – Robert Cleary – Andrew McCarthy (15-1)
8) Toast Of The Town – Noel Daley – Todd McCarthy (15-1)
9) Melillo – Ron Burke – Ronnie Wrenn Jr (5-1)

Here's the field:  Wilder driving Loua Dipa??  Weren't there a few other better choices?  Palone is here and available!  Ronnie and Dave on the outs? 

The eliminations were 2 seconds apart in final times?  Does this make a difference of who has more in the tank this week?

I'll go out on a limb---Meillo.  Not a good drive by Wrenn last week!  Got locked in last week following the wrong horse.  Tough draw but a ton of pace last week. and hopefully the price is right! 
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Harness Racing / Re: THE STABLE RETURN ON INVESTMENT
« Last post by Sweet on Today at 01:34:59 PM »
I've been working with VIP Stable for over 2 years and now I'm up to around 10 horses owning 5% on most.  1% isn't enough for me but 5% feels like I have skin in the game.  I've owned as much as 14% of a horse and that was a great ride when they were racing well.  You definitely can't expect to make money but it sure is nice when you do receive an ACH payment.  VIP has bottom claimer horses all the way up to top level invitational horses with some young sire stake horses.  I've certainly had fun and I currently own some high level horses that I overpaid and some I got cheap during their owner auctions where owners can sell their shares to the highest bidder.

Bills are as expected with the occasional shock vet bill but you pay 100% of the bills and only get 85% of the proceeds.  When you throw in shipping fees, it cuts another few points off.  Both the 2 years I bought in on have been busts so far but fingers crossed they turn it around.

Hope you have a winning year!

A superstar, with a big cash windfall happens too, occasionally, hope it happens for you too.

I'd be interested if the vet is a paid employee, and if not, why.  That caps their earnings.

If any of these syndicates are excellent, show a year after year +roi, there is a waiting list to get in.

This is a sidestep of gambling, depending how good or lucky makes your wealth and your experience.  This adds an element because you own something, can be sold, bred, straight up wagerers do not, they also don't get vet bills which is the bogey.

This like anyth
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Harness Racing / Re: ADIOS PICS FOR SATURDAY AT MEADOWS..
« Last post by upthetrack1234 on Today at 01:34:33 PM »
I think Mamba is gonna breathe in a lot of Western Pa air hung past the quarter in 26. No way Ronnie doesn’t have the two rail horses going a thousand to park the 3.

If they let it line up 4-3 though, Mamba can win

I’d bet Melillo since Wrenn picked off the filly
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Harness Racing / Re: Winners talk about winning
« Last post by Pacer 2 on Today at 01:26:28 PM »
Just like cheaters and horse abusers talk about the guy who exposed cheaters and horse abusers


   YOU ARE SUCH A DUMBASS I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU!     ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Harness Racing / Re: THE STABLE RETURN ON INVESTMENT
« Last post by ECU Pirate on Today at 01:13:34 PM »
I've been working with VIP Stable for over 2 years and now I'm up to around 10 horses owning 5% on most.  1% isn't enough for me but 5% feels like I have skin in the game.  I've owned as much as 14% of a horse and that was a great ride when he was racing well.  You definitely can't expect to make money but it sure is nice when you do receive an ACH payment.  VIP has bottom claimer horses (I avoid them at all costs after I bought in big on 1 and he was injured and retired after 1 start) all the way up to top level invitational horses with some young sire stake horses.  I've certainly had fun and I currently own some high level horses that I probably overpaid on and some I got cheap during their owner auctions where owners can sell their shares to the highest bidder.

Bills are as expected with the occasional shock vet bill but you pay 100% of the bills and only get 85% of the proceeds.  When you throw in shipping fees, it cuts another few points off.  Both the 2 year olds I bought in on this year have been busts so far but fingers crossed they turn it around.
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