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Title: Ron Burke
Post by: Misty meadows on August 01, 2025, 04:18:12 PM
The great Ron Burke horse trainer who we all know ……not even one of his many many babies made it to hambo oaks for 500,000 or the 1,000.000 hambo !
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on August 01, 2025, 04:26:33 PM
The great Ron Burke horse trainer who we all know ……not even one of his many many babies made it to hambo oaks for 500,000 or the 1,000.000 hambo !
The Hambo is the hardest race to win. Many great trainers have never won it.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Misty meadows on August 01, 2025, 08:02:34 PM
Someone said he don’t have many baby trotter. Ok what about cane pace tomorrow. No horses in that one either. Where’s his great babies they talk about 80 yearlings every year nothing
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Bitter Truth on August 01, 2025, 08:12:07 PM
Preach Misty tmbz1
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: The Exporter on August 01, 2025, 08:41:07 PM
His barn will still earn $20 million +, this year.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Chessington on August 01, 2025, 08:57:59 PM
The great Ron Burke horse trainer who we all know ……not even one of his many many babies made it to hambo oaks for 500,000 or the 1,000.000 hambo !
And he’ll still earn over $20mil in purses this year. So, what’s your point?
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Kenny on August 01, 2025, 09:22:06 PM
Someone said he don’t have many baby trotter. Ok what about cane pace tomorrow. No horses in that one either. Where’s his great babies they talk about 80 yearlings every year nothing

Isn't there a final at Scioto for big money? All of his eligible horses raced in The Adios just last week.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: AgentQ on August 01, 2025, 10:52:12 PM
Great guy to deal with and his numbers speak for themselves.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on August 02, 2025, 12:34:21 AM
We will all be dead and buried before anyone ever matches Burke's accomplishments. He is the GOAT not only of Harness Racing but of HORSE RACING.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Dr. O on August 02, 2025, 12:51:37 AM
That makes him the tallest midget.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Laag on August 02, 2025, 07:50:23 AM
what is going on that the biggest trainer in the sport and one who has dominated alot at the Big M doesnt have much stock at all racing on the biggest day in Harness racing..his vaunted 2yos from both sexes last year have barely seen action at the big m.....why is he avoiding the Meadowlands so much and not staking his horses to their big events.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: seen2much on August 02, 2025, 08:45:09 AM
what is going on that the biggest trainer in the sport and one who has dominated alot at the Big M doesnt have much stock at all racing on the biggest day in Harness racing..his vaunted 2yos from both sexes last year have barely seen action at the big m.....why is he avoiding the Meadowlands so much and not staking his horses to their big events.
Burke did little on Pace night too. A conspiracy theory friend of mine thinks Louprint could have raced. It was the out of comp. testing that made him disappear. Not doubting the injury...but the timing for the surgery. I'm surprised no one on plop brought that up.
Ron is smart. He took over Ohio. That makes up for Big M shortfall.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: MIKE CAMPBELL on August 02, 2025, 09:55:33 AM
FYI...Critics of Burke need to take a step back and realize that he doesn't own a controlling interest in most of the horses he trains and races and many times where a horse races and how they are staked are not solely his decision. 
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Third Over on August 02, 2025, 12:12:39 PM
Say whatever ya want bcuz Ronnie is still the "KING" year after year.!!
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Misty meadows on August 02, 2025, 12:22:44 PM
Hahaha. King year after year.   Drugs Drugs Drugs !! And if you don’t think so your an idiot
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: PineHurstPacer on August 02, 2025, 05:44:38 PM
No show on Hambo day
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Brown jug on August 02, 2025, 06:54:36 PM
mike c i think you are incorrect
burke owns a decent % of most horses, many are now homebreds
and make no mistake he and mike w make the calls
it is odd he has no presence on hambo day but he is crushing sires stakes in many different states
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Meadow Ford on August 02, 2025, 09:45:21 PM
No show on Hambo day
I believe his trotting mare showed up.
She won in 1:49.4!
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: getreal on August 04, 2025, 10:54:12 PM
Reading some posts on here by some what I assume are trainers/drivers. Man are you jealous of Mr Burke. I for one commend him on a great job year after year.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Cashout on August 05, 2025, 02:26:07 AM
        Misty must be snorting something,  Ron Burke is the most successful harness trainer of all time . 
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Ramnap on August 05, 2025, 06:06:02 AM
I'm pretty old but i do remember Mickey saying its so easy he cant believe everybody doesn't do it. Oscar barreras secret died with him And it looks like the Burke secret is gonna go the same route. 
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Kenny on August 05, 2025, 06:22:40 AM
I believe his trotting mare showed up.
She won in 1:49.4!

https://racing.ustrotting.com/goto.aspx?target=12,100769

https://racing.ustrotting.com/goto.aspx?target=12,100770

https://racing.ustrotting.com/goto.aspx?target=12,100771

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https://racing.ustrotting.com/goto.aspx?target=12,100773
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Kenny on August 05, 2025, 06:47:21 AM
Burke did little on Pace night too. A conspiracy theory friend of mine thinks Louprint could have raced. It was the out of comp. testing that made him disappear. Not doubting the injury...but the timing for the surgery. I'm surprised no one on plop brought that up.
Ron is smart. He took over Ohio. That makes up for Big M shortfall.

https://standardbredcanada.ca/news/7-7-25/surgery-louprint-prompts-meadowlands-pace-scratch.html

Burke had five in The Adios but Louprint was not one of them.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Kenny on August 05, 2025, 06:48:07 AM
Hahaha. King year after year.   Drugs Drugs Drugs !! And if you don’t think so your an idiot

Prove it or it is slander.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Trigger on August 05, 2025, 08:11:07 AM
Prove it or it is slander.

Now representing the leading and all time winning trainer, money earning trainer, money earning owner in all of standarbred racing...Kenny.

Kenny, if someone says a false and or derogatory statement aloud that harms someone's reputation then it's slander.  Since there is no audio recording on Horseplop.com and it wasn't said aloud either, then what you meant to say is libel as it is written.

Back to law school for you Kenny,  11.dt !
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: hoosierboy on August 05, 2025, 08:35:28 AM
No big time trainer is racing on hay and Oates period.  What they are using is all different.  I am not biting at the Louprint conspiracy I am sure Burke is way ahead of the testing. 
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: MCR on August 05, 2025, 08:44:46 AM
Burke puts up big numbers year after year. Like him or hate him you have to respect the work ethic and the volume of numbers they put up.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Kenny on August 05, 2025, 11:40:30 AM
Now representing the leading and all time winning trainer, money earning trainer, money earning owner in all of standarbred racing...Kenny.

Kenny, if someone says a false and or derogatory statement aloud that harms someone's reputation then it's slander.  Since there is no audio recording on Horseplop.com and it wasn't said aloud either, then what you meant to say is libel as it is written.

Back to law school for you Kenny,  11.dt !

I see you did well in TROLL school and you learned how to be childish as well. Some day you might mature beyond grade school.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Brown jug on August 05, 2025, 11:58:19 AM
its rather simple
if in a race(s) there are proven and or assumed cheating trainers
and another trainer consistently beats them , they are either cheating as well or just a vastly superior at what they do
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Trigger on August 05, 2025, 12:23:53 PM
I see you did well in TROLL school and you learned how to be childish as well. Some day you might mature beyond grade school.

Kenny,

Unlike you I'm going to be polite, all I did was properly correct what you wrote incorrectly.  You'll never learn if you get mad at the teacher.

Enjoy your rendezvous with strange men in the toilets.

Trigger  ;D
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Papillon on August 05, 2025, 12:30:51 PM
Burke puts up big numbers year after year. Like him or hate him you have to respect the work ethic and the volume of numbers they put up.

he is too big to fail

with the industry in severe decline-he is the biggest fish as far as number of horses he "handles" across several racetracks--they need his horses to fill the box or some tracks will cut race days back even more-due to lack of entries

he is "the groom pissed in the stall" (oxycodone HCl positive) Burke

he is too big to fail
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: dougie on August 05, 2025, 01:26:41 PM
I think it's libelous to accuse someone of doping his horses because he is successful. If there is proof, then throw him out of the sport. But until he is proven guilty, it's a tad disingenous to argue with his accomplishments.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Trigger on August 05, 2025, 01:44:12 PM
I think it's libelous to accuse someone of doping his horses because he is successful. If there is proof, then throw him out of the sport. But until he is proven guilty, it's a tad disingenous to argue with his accomplishments.

 ngc3

Burke suing people for slander / liable is like the mafia running to the cops to resolve a beef.  It's never happening, say what you want about drug positive bs.

Burke has had over the years a number of suspensions for positive.

Who the fuck knows who and how much he pays off, the whole industry is a sewer of corruption.

If he dropped dead tomorrow, made a billion dollars I could care less, why you people talk about the same shit every fucking day is retarded.

Be different, unique, is that too hard?   

The stupid talk about Burke, Trump....they could care less if y'all live or die, why they're rich and powerful and y'all are flopping around like a half dead goldfish in a toilet!  ;D



Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: dougie on August 05, 2025, 02:00:10 PM
Trigger.....this is actually the first comment i've ever made about this guy. I don't know anyone personally in this group except one. So if these are horsefolk, gamblers, or just fans, I can't discern. But whether it's a person accused of a violation of the rules, or someone alleged to be on "someone's list", I want to see proof. Otherwise it's just gossip or speculation. As for this guy really giving a flying fuck what folks on Horseplop think of him,I would think he don't give a rat's ass. He's got high-powered owners from what I'm told here and he's wheelbarreling the pesos to the bank.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Trigger on August 05, 2025, 02:18:41 PM
Trigger.....this is actually the first comment i've ever made about this guy. I don't know anyone personally in this group except one. So if these are horsefolk, gamblers, or just fans, I can't discern. But whether it's a person accused of a violation of the rules, or someone alleged to be on "someone's list", I want to see proof. Otherwise it's just gossip or speculation. As for this guy really giving a flying fuck what folks on Horseplop think of him,I would think he don't give a rat's ass. He's got high-powered owners from what I'm told here and he's wheelbarreling the pesos to the bank.

Google Ron Burke drug positives, there are plenty of reliable sources and pdfs of official reports, or if you're a member USTA go there, Ohio...

They start a Burke thread every week or two.

Dumb and jealous, or dumb and need to feel aligned with success.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: dougie on August 05, 2025, 02:25:08 PM
Well, as I said I really don't know enough about him. Or how he operates. As for folks here starting a thread about him often, I guess success breeds some contempt. Burke, for good or bad is the most successful trainer in harness racing. So it's only natural folks have strong opinions on him.I've seen this on numerous throughbred sites concerning Bob Baffert. Tons of topics on him. From his successes to his suspensions to his clients, people love to give their opinions.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: darnoldrocks on August 05, 2025, 04:06:48 PM
If you are caught doping horses, it eliminates any legacy.   Anything you have done is tainted.

Baffert is clearly in that category.

As for anyone giving a shit about anyone, so true.   This is just a site to get things off your chest.
I don't know Baffert or Burke or Trigger or anyone on this site, so I don't care about them and I am positive they don't care about me. 

How they present themselves on here does give me a little insight into deciding if I would ever want to know them!!!
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Trigger on August 05, 2025, 04:36:29 PM
If you are caught doping horses, it eliminates any legacy.   Anything you have done is tainted.

Baffert is clearly in that category.

As for anyone giving a shit about anyone, so true.   This is just a site to get things off your chest.
I don't know Baffert or Burke or Trigger or anyone on this site, so I don't care about them and I am positive they don't care about me. 

How they present themselves on here does give me a little insight into deciding if I would ever want to know them!!!

There you go again saying I don't care about you chihuahua cock, of course I care about the personal cheerleader for Donald J. Trump, President of the United States!  ;D



darnoldrocks loves the donald!!! hvc.1 darnoldrocks loves the donald!!!





Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Yonkers1A on August 05, 2025, 05:03:29 PM
If you are caught doping horses, it eliminates any legacy.   Anything you have done is tainted.

Baffert is clearly in that category.

As for anyone giving a shit about anyone, so true.   This is just a site to get things off your chest.
I don't know Baffert or Burke or Trigger or anyone on this site, so I don't care about them and I am positive they don't care about me. 

How they present themselves on here does give me a little insight into deciding if I would ever want to know them!!!

Sam is ok in my book.

Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: dougie on August 05, 2025, 05:29:54 PM
darnoldrocks..... I agree. Since most on this site will never really meet each other in person. it's really for "entertainment purposes only". I mispoke when I said I actually said I knew one person on this site. I actually know two personally. But many here seem to know each other from being in the horse business. The vitriol toward each others is pretty funny. So I kind of just sit back and listen. I really enjoy the "handicapping/betting" banter with folks in here. I've actually made a few sweet scores at Woodbine thanks to a Canadian in this group. I can due without the hate from some on here. But I chalk it up and put it in my "Who gives a shit what people think?"  LOL!
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Cashout on August 05, 2025, 07:50:14 PM
     Somehow people that have no or little success in their lives love knocking someone who has had a lot of success.    It doesn’t matter if it’s harness racing business or politics,  it’s always the same .   Losers always find something to bitch about. 
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: dougie on August 05, 2025, 08:30:54 PM
Cashout.....it's hard to really see who's a loser and who's not on here. I'm told some folks have multiple identities here. Why, I have no idea. Just to cause controversy and stir up shit. The horrible hate from some of these schmucks aside, I enjoy racing banter. I'm sure that Ron Burke doesn't give a shit what people say here.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: seen2much on August 05, 2025, 09:01:54 PM
I don't believe Burke is to big to fail. The horses will go many trainers. Allard, Pena, Banca, Surick, & Oakes horses went elsewhere.
Jealous statements are lol funny. Mickey couldn't train Lassie to bark & then one day became a top trainer. Ron didn't do this his whole life like others & learned from his father. The chances that he became the horse whisperer are slim & none. Ron has a long list of positives.
Takter, Burke, Bongiorno, Coleman, Pelling, Pena, Oakes, Surick, Allard, & many others success are not real.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Pacer 2 on August 05, 2025, 10:30:52 PM
Burke has done an amazing job to be on the top of the sport and many are jealous. He's an exceptional entrepreneur! Not many could do what he does.    tmbz1
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: The Answer on August 05, 2025, 10:50:58 PM
Burke is a smug AH but have to give him credit for his business operational skills. He’s a savant when it comes to horses. Must also treat his employees well as they stick with him and I’ve never heard one say a bad word about him.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: OF JENNY on August 06, 2025, 12:11:54 AM
The issues people have with  burke is he has a bunch of possitives. Which is cheating. So he isnt taking anyone to court. He would lose. Multiple times he was cheating with illegal substances in horses he is responsible for.

Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: The Answer on August 06, 2025, 08:46:49 AM
The issues people have with  burke is he has a bunch of possitives. Which is cheating. So he isnt taking anyone to court. He would lose. Multiple times he was cheating with illegal substances in horses he is responsible for.

His positives are minimal as a percentage of horses he races.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Pacer 2 on August 06, 2025, 09:53:43 AM
His positives are minimal as a percentage of horses he races.
     tmbz1 tmbz1
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Kenny on August 06, 2025, 10:36:43 AM
The issues people have with  burke is he has a bunch of possitives. Which is cheating. So he isnt taking anyone to court. He would lose. Multiple times he was cheating with illegal substances in horses he is responsible for.

Did you actually research those positives? No!  All the trainers have had positives.  You might want to try spell check next time!
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Kenny on August 06, 2025, 10:38:26 AM
His positives are minimal as a percentage of horses he races.

Correct and the ones I have seen are banned substances which are therapeutic but not PEDs.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: SDST2009 on August 06, 2025, 11:45:31 AM
Correct and the ones I have seen are banned substances which are therapeutic but not PEDs.

Kenny, I ask this genuinely: you post cartoons of Ake and seem to paint him as a cheat/abuser. Yet appear to worship Burke. Do you truly believe Burke is a better horseman than Ake? Have you seen either train horses?

I really cannot wrap my head around your perception, if so.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Trigger on August 06, 2025, 11:54:08 AM
Kenny, I ask this genuinely: you post cartoons of Ake and seem to paint him as a cheat/abuser. Yet appear to worship Burke. Do you truly believe Burke is a better horseman than Ake? Have you seen either train horses?

I really cannot wrap my head around your perception, if so.

What you can't wrap you head around he wants to wrap his mouth around, Burke's big cock!

Kenny is a simple weak man trying to act smart and complex, no need to look past the obvious.  ;D 
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Kenny on August 06, 2025, 12:04:25 PM
What you can't wrap you head around he wants to wrap his mouth around, Burke's big cock!

Kenny is a simple weak man trying to act smart and complex, no need to look past the obvious.  ;D

Look at your post. It is autobiographical! You must have a very small _____!
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Trigger on August 06, 2025, 12:09:10 PM
Look at your post. It is autobiographical! You must have a very small _____!

 ngc3

You're thinking about my joint - yikes!?  ;D
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Kenny on August 06, 2025, 12:12:54 PM
Kenny, I ask this genuinely: you post cartoons of Ake and seem to paint him as a cheat/abuser. Yet appear to worship Burke. Do you truly believe Burke is a better horseman than Ake? Have you seen either train horses?

I really cannot wrap my head around your perception, if so.

I have said many times Burke's winning percentages is lower than many of the top trainers.  Each year when i calculate it, he ranks about tenth. What Burke is better than all of them is the business of harness racing. No one else can run an operation of that size and have the right horses in the right classes is tracks in many different states.

Also from a fan perspective, Burke does not cry about heat racing, he tends to keep his top horses racing longer, and also does things like taking his top stars when they are approaching retirement and racing them at many different tracks so the fans can see them. Think Foiled Again and Atlanta. That is good for the sport.

Ake was accused of horse abuse. I saw one article where he admitted it.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Kenny on August 06, 2025, 12:15:05 PM
ngc3

You're thinking about my joint - yikes!?  ;D

It is a proven fact that people who speak like you are covering up for some inadequacy.  You are the one who knows how "big" Burke is! Do you drive a big truck or maybe a sports car or motorcycle? Do you tailgate and weave in and out of traffic?
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Trigger on August 06, 2025, 12:21:36 PM
It is a proven fact that people who speak like you are covering up for some inadequacy.  You are the one who knows how "big" Burke is! Do you drive a big truck or maybe a sports car or motorcycle? Do you tailgate and weave in and out of traffic?

You have an answer for everything, you didn't know the difference in this thread between slander and libel...your profile suggests that this forum is your therapy to be the big, bad smart wolf. 

You're a fucking half smart sheep.

What car do I drive?, lol, how I drive it?, you're fucking nuts dude, and not even in the ballpark - it is a 24' though!   ;D
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: SDST2009 on August 06, 2025, 12:53:32 PM

Also from a fan perspective, Burke does not cry about heat racing, he tends to keep his top horses racing longer, and also does things like taking his top stars when they are approaching retirement and racing them at many different tracks so the fans can see them. Think Foiled Again and Atlanta. That is good for the sport.

Ake was accused of horse abuse. I saw one article where he admitted it.

As a fan, horse owner and horse lover, I also love to see the greats of our sport continue to perform and it is great that tracks got to host these great horses. When Foiled Again made an appearance at the Dan Patch Awards, I absolutely loved it. I was thrilled for the mare that won on Hambo day; she is a hard-knocking, hard-trying mare and deserved a win. But, for me, this doesn't outweigh the other things I have seen with my own eyes (and heard, but as a lot is secondhand I will not portray them as fact).

I have seen time and time again visibly lame horses on the track from their stable. I've seen a number of them break down, some catastrophically. I understand this happens even under the best, most meticulous care, and I get by sheer numbers you likely would see more from his stable, but having seen now generations of this family train, I just will never be convinced they have the horses' best interest at heart. It is a churn and burn operation with a ton of funds behind it. So, if you destroy your open pacer at whatever track, no problem: either ship another roster member over to fill the gap, or buy another.

I can agree with you he does the business part incredibly well. I will never agree he is good for the sport, nor the horses themselves. I wouldn't even mention him in the same category as Ake and others.

I am aware of Ake's incident in Sweden. Probably not a popular opinion, but frankly a single incident of electric prod that, if I recall correctly, he did admit and said he didn't continue with it because it didn't work, is not worse than the incessant whip-slash training and lame-racing I have seen for decades with their outfit.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: seen2much on August 06, 2025, 07:48:00 PM
That is well said SDST2009.The ones that come on here & act tough are 1) cheaters or 2) benefiting from the cheats. Making money hurting horses is not something to brag about.
I love all animals & hate to see any harmed.
That is my opinion on the subject.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: SDST2009 on August 06, 2025, 10:01:20 PM
That is well said SDST2009.The ones that come on here & act tough are 1) cheaters or 2) benefiting from the cheats. Making money hurting horses is not something to brag about.
I love all animals & hate to see any harmed.
That is my opinion on the subject.

 tmbz1
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: OF JENNY on August 07, 2025, 09:41:03 AM
His positives are minimal as a percentage of horses he races.

Look bro. One is too many. Be responsible for what you train.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Pacer 2 on August 07, 2025, 09:58:49 AM
Mistakes happen. Not even Burke is perfect.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: OF JENNY on August 07, 2025, 10:02:52 AM
Mistakes?
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: SDST2009 on August 07, 2025, 04:54:38 PM
Look bro. One is too many. Be responsible for what you train.

Here's the other piece I don't get. I hear rumblings on here of other big names using EPO-esque things ("Swedish Blood Builders," I think I have heard it called). Why do y'all think if others have it, this trainer doesn't?
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: OF JENNY on August 07, 2025, 11:00:15 PM
I accidentally gave my horse a drug via needle and syringe.

If we are honest the vet has all of burkes shit. The vet administers what Ronnie says. I highly doubt Ronnie hits the pipe on his own any more. The vets will do whatever you ask.
Including tubing on race day. I've seen it done. Many times.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Ramnap on August 08, 2025, 06:14:04 AM
My guess is they go to his recovery barn and get epo once a week and bpc157.tb500.ghk-cu daily for 3-4 weeks then they run off for about 2 months then back for another recovery treatment. Damn stuff is cheap n everywhere these days.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: SDST2009 on August 09, 2025, 12:17:26 AM
I accidentally gave my horse a drug via needle and syringe.

If we are honest the vet has all of burkes shit. The vet administers what Ronnie says. I highly doubt Ronnie hits the pipe on his own any more. The vets will do whatever you ask.
Including tubing on race day. I've seen it done. Many times.

Spot on.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Harnesspower on August 09, 2025, 09:34:54 AM
That is well said SDST2009.The ones that come on here & act tough are 1) cheaters or 2) benefiting from the cheats. Making money hurting horses is not something to brag about.
I love all animals & hate to see any harmed.
That is my opinion on the subject.

Honest question, Atlanta was Owned/trained by Rick Zeron scott zerons dad—-Rick was suspended because he was caught with needles and syringes, Howard Taylor owned Atlanta, buck i st pat, etc….
Do you think Howard Taylor bought the illegal PED’s and for these horses did NOT use them?
Foiled again these horses above raced huge unexplained races….and it appeared to be unnatural ….
Is it possible that Little E stables could utilize selected testing for unnatural PED’s and NOT hold Ake accountable because it’s a conflict of interest?
I don’t know but this “sport” is trending to the dog racing greyhound days where today there are no dog racetracks in the USA
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Pacer 2 on August 09, 2025, 09:39:33 AM
My guess is they go to his recovery barn and get epo once a week and bpc157.tb500.ghk-cu daily for 3-4 weeks then they run off for about 2 months then back for another recovery treatment. Damn stuff is cheap n everywhere these days.
  You have quite an imagination!  ngc3
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Papillon on August 09, 2025, 09:39:48 AM
Honest question, Atlanta was Owned/trained by Rick Zeron scott zerons dad—-Rick was suspended because he was caught with needles and syringes, Howard Taylor owned Atlanta, buck i st pat, etc….
Do you think Howard Taylor bought the illegal PED’s and for these horses did NOT use them?
Foiled again these horses above raced huge unexplained races….and it appeared to be unnatural ….
Is it possible that Little E stables could utilize selected testing for unnatural PED’s and NOT hold Ake accountable because it’s a conflict of interest?
I don’t know but this “sport” is trending to the dog racing greyhound days where today there are no dog racetracks in the USA

there are still two dog tracks remaining--both in West Va(Wheeling and Mardi Gras) and they wont last much longer
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: AgentQ on August 09, 2025, 10:03:53 AM
And neither will harness racing, with the possible exception Ohio and Kentucky. All the other regions, if they survive will be strictly fair-type tracks where the locals do it for fun. This is what happens when you have horrendous racetrack management, non-existent leadership from horsemen's associations, indifferent racing commissions and just a general lack of moving with the times. Until a complete cleanse happens, and it will not, this sport will continue to contract.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Papillon on August 09, 2025, 10:06:23 AM
And neither will harness racing, with the possible exception Ohio and Kentucky. All the other regions, if they survive will be strictly fair-type tracks where the locals do it for fun. This is what happens when you have horrendous racetrack management, non-existent leadership from horsemen's associations, indifferent racing commissions and just a general lack of moving with the times. Until a complete cleanse happens, and it will not, this sport will continue to contract.

this is accurate--Ohio and Kentucky will have the last tracks standing
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: JT on August 09, 2025, 10:47:28 AM
there are still two dog tracks remaining--both in West Va(Wheeling and Mardi Gras) and they wont last much longer
Usually I agree with ya Pap, but not in this case. All of my wife's family is from the Wheeling area. She has a couple family members that work at the dog track and have for 20 or 30 years.. lets just say are higher ups. They handle a ton of money each card, way more then harness racing. They sometimes run an afternoon and evening card as well. I can't speak for the other WV track, but in Wheeling they know they are pretty much the last track standing, so they are on there "best behavior." Not to mention it is West Virginia after all.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Papillon on August 09, 2025, 10:52:35 AM
Usually I agree with ya Pap, but not in this case. All of my wife's family is from the Wheeling area. She has a couple family members that work at the dog track and have for 20 or 30 years.. lets just say are higher ups. They handle a ton of money each card, way more then harness racing. They sometimes run an afternoon and evening card as well. I can't speak for the other WV track, but in Wheeling they know they are pretty much the last track standing, so they are on there "best behavior." Not to mention it is West Virginia after all.

i hear ya and thanks for the insight

from what i have been hearing--Wheeling has a few years left on their contract-but i know very little about the future of dog racing

i will try and find an article on Wheeling

thanks again
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Papillon on August 09, 2025, 10:58:20 AM
U.S.A.

In 2021, Congress introduced H.R. 3335, an amendment to the Wire Act, prohibiting any wire communications connected to commercial greyhound racing. Adopting this Act, known as “The Greyhound Protection Act of 2021,” is one of the final steps the U.S. must take in the process of fully outlawing dog racing. The U.S. is currently home to only 2 active dog racing tracks. For these tracks, approximately 2,000 greyhounds are still bred to race. Although this is a significant improvement over the 26,000 hounds bred 20 years ago, the excess of greyhounds bred for racing will still lead to many unnecessary deaths in the U.S..

Only eight U.S. states still technically allow legalized greyhound racing, and only West Virginia has open tracks. Florida, Arkansas, and West Virginia are three of the most recent states to tackle this issue. Florida, which was once the “heart, lungs, and legs of the industry,” home to 2/3 of the country’s racetracks, passed an amendment to their constitution in November 2018 that ceased operations at all remaining tracks. This amendment completely shut down greyhound racing as of 2020 in Florida, without the intervention of the federal “Greyhound Protection Act.” Florida was the first U.S. state to legalize pari-mutuel betting and dog-racing in 1931, and the sport was once widely supported by the Floridian public. The amendment, which passed by a 2:1 landslide, is demonstrative of how dramatically the American sentiment towards dog-racing has changed.

In Arkansas, people have been more hesitant to accept changing attitudes around dog-racing, and the local laws reflect that hesitation. Greyhound racing in Arkansas has gone on for over 100 years, and many have built their livelihoods around the dogs. The state economy has benefited tremendously from gambling for years, bringing in around $30 million annually. Although there has been no formal rulemaking in Arkansas on the state of their racetracks, one of the primary remaining racetracks in Arkansas, Southland Casino, has agreed to phase out the racing over the next three years. Dave Wolf, president of Southland, reasons that the sport has primarily been supported by older clientele and was beginning to shrink naturally. This decision comes with a lot of emotion for Arkansans, considering the track opened in 1935 upon the legalization of pari-mutuel betting, and has housed greyhounds ever since. Even without formal legislation, it seems that Arkansas naturally moved in the direction of eliminating dog racing, and recognized that the pros do not outweigh the cons of this industry. This shows that even without government intervention, media and lobbying pressure can make a tremendous impact on public issues.

West Virginia is the only U.S. state that still has active commercial greyhound racing in 2022. West Virginia continues to house two tracks, which run races five days a week year-round. The president of the West Virginia Kennel Owners Association claims that the state is intent on keeping the sport going. Several other U.S. states continue to stream the races from West Virginia into their casinos, finding a loophole in the illegalization in their states. If the Greyhound Protection Act were to pass in Congress, West Virginia would be forced to close the remaining tracks, and any simulcasting or gambling on dogs in other countries would also become illegal in the U.S.. Forcing this decision onto West Virginia, besides raising federalism concerns, could also raise concerns for the dogs as the tracks would likely close rapidly with little cooperation, leaving many dogs without homes. The best course of action for the dogs, and the employees dependent on the race-tracks, would be to introduce a “phasing out” system as Arkansas took on, to avoid the sudden bottoming out of the industry. Overall, it appears dog-racing in the U.S. is well on its way to legal extinction, but the final step to cover West Virginia and the virtual space will likely require federal action.
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Papillon on August 09, 2025, 11:06:19 AM
https://oxfordamerican.org/oa-now/greyhound-racing-in-west-virginia
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: JT on August 09, 2025, 11:25:33 AM
https://oxfordamerican.org/oa-now/greyhound-racing-in-west-virginia
This is a good article that I read last month.. as you said in your last post it would take federal action to shut them down and I dont see that happening. The people in West Virginia support it. Wheeling is an old rundown steel town. The economy there is totally dependant on the casino, the dog tracks and the rabbit whose name is Spunky lol. I was just there over 4th of July weekend and talked to my wife's cousins about it and they said no way they would shut down. In fact she said the dog track helps to support the casino, the exact opposite of harness racing. Last labor day weekend they handled 4 million dollars
Title: Re: Ron Burke
Post by: Papillon on August 09, 2025, 11:41:08 AM
This is a good article that I read last month.. as you said in your last post it would take federal action to shut them down and I dont see that happening. The people in West Virginia support it. Wheeling is an old rundown steel town. The economy there is totally dependant on the casino, the dog tracks and the rabbit whose name is Spunky lol. I was just there over 4th of July weekend and talked to my wife's cousins about it and they said no way they would shut down. In fact she said the dog track helps to support the casino, the exact opposite of harness racing. Last labor day weekend they handled 4 million dollars

it looks like Wheeling and Mardi Gras would need de-coupling to maintain their casinos without the dogs-then maybe they would agree to stop dog racing


...so the voters in West Va would need to oppose it-and if that is the case, i agree with you that wont happen

they still believe coal is a good thing

it wouldnt be a good idea by the Feds if they got involved--that usually creates more problems

someday long after we are dead--dog racing will end in the USA
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