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Title: Preakness Thread
Post by: JT on May 17, 2025, 10:38:12 AM
I thought someone should start a thread on this. Post anything about the race, the card or Pimlico itself or any bets..I'll start. In the Preakness I like #8 Clever Again to win and will use #1 Goal Oriented the Baffert horse, #2 Journalism and #6 River Thames underneath. Clever Again could very well wire the field and is rested. Baffert is always dangerous in the Preakness. River Thames just lost to the Derby winner at Gulfstream and the combo of Pletcher and Irad is deadly. Journalism was my pick in the Derby, but only 2 weeks off and his running style will hamper him, but he should still be in the top 4.The track is rated as good, but looks decent compared to how it did last night. My first bet is..

Pick 5: 1,5,/8,9,11/1,3,5,7/6/3,7,9,11 $48.00 total.
Good Luck to all!!
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: Papillon on May 17, 2025, 10:50:53 AM
I thought someone should start a thread on this. Post anything about the race, the card or Pimlico itself or any bets..I'll start. In the Preakness I like #8 Clever Again to win and will use #1 Goal Oriented the Baffert horse, #2 Journalism and #6 River Thames underneath. Clever Again could very well wire the field and is rested. Baffert is always dangerous in the Preakness. River Thames just lost to the Derby winner at Gulfstream and the combo of Pletcher and Irad is deadly. Journalism was my pick in the Derby, but only 2 weeks off and his running style will hamper him, but he should still be in the top 4.The track is rated as good, but looks decent compared to how it did last night. My first bet is..

Pick 5: 1,5,/8,9,11/1,3,5,7/6/3,7,9,11 $48.00 total.
Good Luck to all!!

what exactly is his running style and how will that hamper him?

the track will be fast by post time
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: dougie on May 17, 2025, 10:53:01 AM
I've been going back and forth in my handicapping and thnk I finally landed on #9 Gosger. He has good tactical speed and could lay 4th or 5th while the speed leaves quickly. There's little doubt that the #1 Goal Oriented and #8 Clever Again will be out on the front early. I also think #3 American Promise will also be in the early mix. If Gosger can get the jump on a closing #2 Journalism, it might be a cold 9-2 exacta. Good luck to everyone today!!!!!
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: Papillon on May 17, 2025, 10:58:31 AM
race 14--Arabian race--#9 Diamond Gem is a beast

the top Arabian in North America--11 starts--8 wins, 2 places, 1 show

expect odds of 3/5 or less.
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: JT on May 17, 2025, 11:04:23 AM
what exactly is his running style and how will that hamper him?

the track will be fast by post time
He is more of a mid pack runner or would prefer to be and the Preakness is often won by front runners. He might not be able to close as well from 4th or 5th seeing as he raced 2 weeks ago
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: Papillon on May 17, 2025, 11:20:19 AM
He is more of a mid pack runner or would prefer to be and the Preakness is often won by front runners. He might not be able to close as well from 4th or 5th seeing as he raced 2 weeks ago

ok-thanks for your view

i feel he will be much closer to the pace than usual--but no way i take him at odds on
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: JT on May 17, 2025, 11:23:33 AM
Bummer taken out of the pick 5 by a head by a 43-1 shot. We'll as my Grandpa used to say " well we can rip that page out and try again"

Pick 5  All/6/3,7,9,11/1,3,7/3,9 $60 total
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: JT on May 17, 2025, 11:25:21 AM
ok-thanks for your view

i feel he will be much closer to the pace than usual--but no way i take him at odds on
Take my view with a grain of salt. You know the old saying.. "opinions and assholes" everybody has one.
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: Papillon on May 17, 2025, 11:31:58 AM
Take my view with a grain of salt. You know the old saying.. "opinions and assholes" everybody has one.

no worries

I just don't think he running style will hurt him as several speeds should be setting a contentious pace and he should be in a perfect spot
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: bello on May 17, 2025, 11:36:30 AM
Race 3   chalky but obvious

#1 looks great on the track

Win  #1   ex box 13
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: bello on May 17, 2025, 11:42:58 AM
race 14--Arabian race--#9 Diamond Gem is a beast

the top Arabian in North America--11 starts--8 wins, 2 places, 1 show

expect odds of 3/5 or less.

Papillion knows his arabians
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: Pacer 2 on May 17, 2025, 11:50:14 AM
I'm boxing Clever Again, River Thames, and Journalism
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: bello on May 17, 2025, 12:12:21 PM
In race 4   If anticipated wicked speed dual develops, as it should. Going with #7  Flavian to get the trip
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: bello on May 17, 2025, 12:24:39 PM
Race 4 was over out of the gate when Saffies #5 brroke down out of the gate leaving the #8 with the easy lead for a 67 result
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: Papillon on May 17, 2025, 12:25:10 PM
In race 4   If anticipated wicked speed dual develops, as it should. Going with #7  Flavian to get the trip

#7 ran big speed duel never happened due to #5

#5 Concrete Glory blew the break--was wearing a bizarre extension blinker--couldnt see


Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: JT on May 17, 2025, 12:28:21 PM
Well my single got through. . My 1st pick 5 would have been live had 11 held on over the 43-1 shot in race 2. The 2nd pick 5  I was trying to beat Baffert in race 3 with the all button. It has a shot, but won't pay much.
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: Grandstand Handicapper on May 17, 2025, 12:30:44 PM
I haven't looked at the race yet, but I can't help but look to beat the favorite, LOL. And, sentimentally, I can't help but root for D. Wayne at some point. LOL. His horse got mugged twice in the Derby. LOL. Wheeled back in two weeks for the Derby horses is always an X-factor. I guess like The Chief always said, that's why they run the races. LOL. Good luck to everyone!

Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: Papillon on May 17, 2025, 12:32:15 PM
Race 4 was over out of the gate when Saffies #5 brroke down out of the gate leaving the #8 with the easy lead for a 67 result

Irad just said the assistant starter was holding his horse(#5)-should have been a scratch....but it is Preakness Day and Pimlico doesn't want to lose any handle
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: Papillon on May 17, 2025, 12:33:40 PM
I haven't looked at the race yet, but I can't help but look to beat the favorite, LOL. And, sentimentally, I can't help but root for D. Wayne at some point. LOL. His horse got mugged twice in the Derby. LOL. Wheeled back in two weeks for the Derby horses is always an X-factor. I guess like The Chief always said, that's why they run the races. LOL. Good luck to everyone!

Allen Jerkens was brilliant and will be always be legendary tmbz1
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: bello on May 17, 2025, 12:49:27 PM
Irad just said the assistant starter was holding his horse(#5)-should have been a scratch....but it is Preakness Day and Pimlico doesn't want to lose any handle

That is brutal

Race 5  #3 looks best  #11  Euro unknown taking a ton of money  3 win box 3-11
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: JT on May 17, 2025, 01:26:18 PM
I know the pools are big, but with a 43-1 in race 2 and a 55-1 in race 5, I'm surprised the first pick 5 didn't pay more than 24 grand.
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: Papillon on May 17, 2025, 01:41:47 PM
I know the pools are big, but with a 43-1 in race 2 and a 55-1 in race 5, I'm surprised the first pick 5 didn't pay more than 24 grand.

the other winners paid $3.80, $3.60 and $3.80

CAWs can see all the combinations played before they send in their bets, so any unusual overlays/anomalies they will have corrected
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: Kirbys Ace on May 17, 2025, 06:45:46 PM
1 2 6
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: JT on May 17, 2025, 07:32:39 PM
I've been going back and forth in my handicapping and thnk I finally landed on #9 Gosger. He has good tactical speed and could lay 4th or 5th while the speed leaves quickly. There's little doubt that the #1 Goal Oriented and #8 Clever Again will be out on the front early. I also think #3 American Promise will also be in the early mix. If Gosger can get the jump on a closing #2 Journalism, it might be a cold 9-2 exacta. Good luck to everyone today!!!!!
Great Call Dougie, I hope you boxed that exacta. What a race by Journalism.. rough start and at the top of the stretch, but he found another gear once he got clear.
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: darnoldrocks on May 17, 2025, 07:59:55 PM
That is one of the most remarkable stretch runs ever.
Journalism gets mugged by Goal Oriented on his outside.  Loses 8 lengths in the process, but barrels through the contact and regains momentum to catch the leader.
Remarkable.
Feel sorry for Clever Again that almost got bumped into the rail on the inside of Journalism and the jockey chooses to shut him down.
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: JT on May 17, 2025, 08:12:32 PM
That is one of the most remarkable stretch runs ever.
Journalism gets mugged by Goal Oriented on his outside.  Loses 8 lengths in the process, but barrels through the contact and regains momentum to catch the leader.
Remarkable.
Feel sorry for Clever Again that almost got bumped into the rail on the inside of Journalism and the jockey chooses to shut him down.
Clever Again was cooked anyway but I can't believe they didn't set Goal Oriented down
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: talkstohisself on May 17, 2025, 08:31:02 PM
i also went heavy with nine to get run down like that was brutal but that's racing. with a clean trip journalism most likely wins by open lengths, Does any think Pratt was putting the squeeze on Rispoli?
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: Kirbys Ace on May 17, 2025, 08:42:34 PM
I think the 2 would have been disqualified if the 8 wasn't stopping. I know the 1 started it but either way the 2 did pinch the 8 to take up. 1 should of came down because he started the interference with the 2 causing the 2 to take out the 8. 1 should have been placed behind the 8 and not left up for 4th. jmo
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: Papillon on May 17, 2025, 08:57:23 PM
Clever Again was cooked anyway but I can't believe they didn't set Goal Oriented down

many times when interfered with cooked horse they say " it didn't cost him a placing"--a statement which I think is asinine

I assume that's how the judges treated this one-but I think they should have DQd the #1 myself
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: Papillon on May 17, 2025, 08:59:17 PM
I think the 2 would have been disqualified if the 8 wasn't stopping. I know the 1 started it but either way the 2 did pinch the 8 to take up. 1 should of came down because he started the interference with the 2 causing the 2 to take out the 8. 1 should have been placed behind the 8 and not left up for 4th. jmo

that's not how tbreds are handled in a DQ

they would never punish a horse for something that wasn't his fault
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: dougie on May 17, 2025, 09:12:59 PM
Thank JT! At the top of the lane, I thought Gosger had it wrapped up. But the winner showed his class in the lane. I still wound up with a $20EX 2-9. (I played a $10 one the other way.) And I had a $5 Tri so it was a good day today. The only two horses I kept completely off any ticket was the 3&4. It was a great race!
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: JT on May 17, 2025, 09:46:02 PM
Thank JT! At the top of the lane, I thought Gosger had it wrapped up. But the winner showed his class in the lane. I still wound up with a $20EX 2-9. (I played a $10 one the other way.) And I had a $5 Tri so it was a good day today. The only two horses I kept completely off any ticket was the 3&4. It was a great race!
Nicely done  tmbz1. I failed miserably today at the windows but there is always tomorrow and I had some pretty amazing luck earlier this week.
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: racing123 on May 18, 2025, 01:58:31 AM
the pick5 races 5-9 paid 437 thousand for half a buck....ive never seen a larger pk5 payoff in my life...has anyone seen a bigger one?
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: Bitter Truth on May 18, 2025, 09:29:37 AM
Maybe Lance will weigh in. I'm sure he's seen some pretty big ones. ;D
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: Bernie Madoff on May 18, 2025, 10:04:42 AM
Maybe Lance will weigh in. I'm sure he's seen some pretty big ones. ;D





 tmbz1 tmbz1
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: RR70s on May 18, 2025, 10:19:29 AM
Thank JT! At the top of the lane, I thought Gosger had it wrapped up. But the winner showed his class in the lane. I still wound up with a $20EX 2-9. (I played a $10 one the other way.) And I had a $5 Tri so it was a good day today. The only two horses I kept completely off any ticket was the 3&4. It was a great race!
Excellent pick, and great job covering yourself by reversing.  tmbz1
Being a Mets fan I wonder the reason behind naming the horse Gosger. Jim Gosger was a 1969 Miracle Met, but a role player who barely played. Unless a person is a historian of baseball they would have never known the guy. I mean I did, but I said to myself this horse couldn’t possibly be named after Jim Gosger, but it was 73cv.2
Title: Re: Preakness Thread
Post by: dougie on May 18, 2025, 11:48:31 AM
RR70s, isn't that wild. I'm a Yankee fan, but remember Jim Gosger as a "utility" player. I was so surprised when I heard the story on the broadcast. LOL! I thought Gosgar was home in the lane but he got a little winded the last few jumps. Saez was working him hard. I know that the winner was by far the best in the field. But it was an exciting race!
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