Shit For Brains

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

M1 averages close to 3 million per card. Did M1 average 3 million in the 80's and 90's??

[Bitter Truth]

Was there CAW in the 80's and 90's?

[firhill]

Doh...Thought this was a thread about the coach of the US Men's soccer team.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Was there CAW in the 80's and 90's?

Go fuck yourself retard. Human beings are wagering more now and they are doing it with many more wagering opportunities than back then. Idiots like you forget that horse racing basically had no competition for the wagering dollar.

[pocketrocketwinner]

Go fuck yourself retard. Human beings are wagering more now and they are doing it with many more wagering opportunities than back then. Idiots like you forget that horse racing basically had no competition for the wagering dollar.

$1 wagered in 1990 = $2.56 wagered today
Inflation
You cant compare 3M handle in 1990 to 3M handle in 2026 without factoring in inflation and CAW

[Pacer 2]

Go fuck yourself retard. Human beings are wagering more now and they are doing it with many more wagering opportunities than back then. Idiots like you forget that horse racing basically had no competition for the wagering dollar.

   

[Sweet]

With inflation taken into consideration, a $3,000,000 handle in the late 90's which they had, and today, would of had a $6mil buying power today.

The fact of the matter is Gural is not from the gambling biz and this BigM thing took more than just that, guarantees, and instead he gambled.

Casinos could do this easily, money goes here, then we make ours, bottom line is in the black, they also don't go where there is resistance and if they do they make it worthwhile, have the lobby money power and relationships too.

No casino wanted the BigM and dropped Gural as a partner because the BigM lobby was a failure, otherwise he was a very attractive as a partner to that end.

Gural didn't cause the downfall of racing.

It and even he are overwhelmed with corruption, and bureaucracy, old incestuous racing related relationships that smothered his good efforts with bad, subsidize meaningful with CAW disgruntling his base.

A strong force that bent and caved rather than totally fail, nicely put, he adapted.

None of us agree with everything he's done, he did some stuff not so great too, not "capital crimes" but avoidable, he maybe adapted too well to that environment.

The BigM is not Yonkers, they are a deep disappointment to the non horseman participants.

Tragic.  Equal to worse tragedies elsewhere.  Death even.

Gural will get what he wants and more importantly needs next year.  His NJ enemies will become partners to start, and maybe allies in mutually beneficial situations, but competition, as they take advantage of the NY share before they get wiped out.  This will all be moot.  The BigM will be restored and as good as ever.  The road to that is very tough.

[rainman2]

You guys forgot about rebates with CAW

Another expense.

[silent one]

M1 averages close to 3 million per card. Did M1 average 3 million in the 80's and 90's??

   The Meadowlands averaged between 2 to 2.3 million per card, during the 80's. As stated earlier, this was before CAW, and Fanduel and Twin Spires. That nightly handle is equivalent to over $5.5 to 6 million in today's money. Isn't Freehold North's goal to handle 3 million a card?With ADW, and CAW that should be Childs play, if it truly was the Mecca.

    Sincerely, Silent One

[Sweet]

   The Meadowlands averaged between 2 to 2.3 million per card, during the 80's. As stated earlier, this was before CAW, and Fanduel and Twin Spires. That nightly handle is equivalent to over $5.5 to 6 million in today's money. Isn't Freehold North's goal to handle 3 million a card?With ADW, and CAW that should be Childs play, if it truly was the Mecca.

    Sincerely, Silent One

I'm not answering for Mike C.

It's obvious that in today's standard of everyone's total handle in comparison to the BigM even with CAW, the BIG M reigns king.

Also is independent of casino in doing so.

Crazy racing for the most part this year but still making the dough.

[Ignorance Is Bliss]

Sonny Werblin called it a cash register that financed building Giant Stadium. 3mil a night now twice a week. Full cards of the best racing on the planet, wagering over 2 mil on track five nights a week. PAID parking, admission, tons of concessions, Terraces, Pegasus. Are you seriously trying to compare?

Almost forgot. Base claiming price 20k. Top 150k and it filled. Now five TM68s on a Friday. 

[rainman2]

Sonny Werblin called it a cash register that financed building Giant Stadium. 3mil a night now twice a week. Full cards of the best racing on the planet, wagering over 2 mil on track five nights a week. PAID parking, admission, tons of concessions, Terraces, Pegasus. Are you seriously trying to compare?

Almost forgot. Base claiming price 20k. Top 150k and it filled. Now five TM68s on a Friday. 

And people claimed horses at 150k too!

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

$1 wagered in 1990 = $2.56 wagered today
Inflation
You cant compare 3M handle in 1990 to 3M handle in 2026 without factoring in inflation and CAW

There is no such thing as inflation when it comes to gambling. You're not buying a fucking loaf of bread and a gallon of fucking milk. A 2 dollar bet then is the same as a 2 dollar bet now.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Sonny Werblin called it a cash register that financed building Giant Stadium. 3mil a night now twice a week. Full cards of the best racing on the planet, wagering over 2 mil on track five nights a week. PAID parking, admission, tons of concessions, Terraces, Pegasus. Are you seriously trying to compare?

Almost forgot. Base claiming price 20k. Top 150k and it filled. Now five TM68s on a Friday. 

I won 10K claimers in 1978.

[andrew]

There is no such thing as inflation when it comes to gambling. You're not buying a fucking loaf of bread and a gallon of fucking milk. A 2 dollar bet then is the same as a 2 dollar bet now.

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