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Top 10 out east swamp trainers . How many drug suspects?
« on: November 16, 2025, 10:34:38 PM »
Looking at years gone bye out east the names on top at the swamp don’t seem to be many with positive tests suspensions or a claim and launch barn . Thoughts on this years leaders as the year winds down .

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Re: Top 10 out east swamp trainers . How many drug suspects?
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2025, 10:57:03 PM »
Burke, Engblom, Alexander, Eckley, Bako, Dilloian, Oakes, Wisher, Bongiorno, Daley

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Re: Top 10 out east swamp trainers . How many drug suspects?
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2025, 11:02:03 PM »
I meant at the Meadowlands not the country .

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Re: Top 10 out east swamp trainers . How many drug suspects?
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2025, 09:37:45 AM »
Burke, Engblom, Alexander, Eckley, Bako, Dilloian, Oakes, Wisher, Bongiorno, Daley
you forgot Pelling and Crogan

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Re: Top 10 out east swamp trainers . How many drug suspects?
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2025, 10:03:42 AM »
Burke, Engblom, Alexander, Eckley, Bako, Dilloian, Oakes, Wisher, Bongiorno, Daley

    All the winners are cheating?    Too funny!! ngc3

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Re: Top 10 out east swamp trainers . How many drug suspects?
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2025, 11:13:44 AM »
    All the winners are cheating?    Too funny!! ngc3

None of the winners are cheating, too funny  ngc3 ngc3 ngc3

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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2025, 11:36:40 AM »
None of the winners are cheating, too funny  ngc3 ngc3 ngc3

    Any cheaters are gradually weeded out of this and every sport.

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Re: Top 10 out east swamp trainers . How many drug suspects?
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2025, 11:45:06 AM »
Pick a successful trainer's name, any trainer. There is probably somebody who is going to think that trainer is cheating. Cheating is a relative term. If you are racing on hay, oats, and water, then you are at a competitive disadvantage. Sad state of affairs, but the reality. Detention barn and out of competition testing should be the norm, and should be frequent/regular.

I can't think of a top trainer, a successful trainer, who has never had a positive test. Can you? Go way back in Meadowlands history. Larry/Ray Remmen, Jim Doherty, Lofty Bruce, Greg Wright, Howard Camden, Jack Friedhoff, Kelvin Harrison? Move on, Rovine/Holloway, Dave Elliott, Ben Webster, Ron Waples? Then Robinson, Artandi, Stutzman, George Anthony, Pelling, Croghan, Holloway? Today, Ake, Burke, Alagna, Moore, Linda Toscano? Keep going. For me, there's a big difference between a clenbuterol positive (slightly over the limit) and some designer, exotic drug that has zero place on the backstretch or farm. Who do you give a horse to today, before you get accused of using a "drug" trainer? Yes, I do think there should be owner accountability, but that leads to a very slippery slope.

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Re: Top 10 out east swamp trainers . How many drug suspects?
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2025, 04:22:32 PM »
Burke is the obvious one. He beat all the ones arrested, learned from no real horseman, didn't grow up in the business, and never has a down year.
Pelling got a 10 year vacation. He came back & picked up where he left off.
Engblom has ridiculous success & his barn grew like all the ones before him.
Bongiorno clan went right into stardom. There was no learning curve. Check the family history and....
Ake has well bred horses & is highly regarded... but most think he cheats.
Takter was given a retirement for cheating.
There are many more. The results they have at the swamp are often less than other tracks.

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Re: Top 10 out east swamp trainers . How many drug suspects?
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2025, 05:03:06 PM »
No competative trainer is sending them to post on only hay and oates

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Re: Top 10 out east swamp trainers . How many drug suspects?
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2025, 06:37:57 PM »
Pick a successful trainer's name, any trainer. There is probably somebody who is going to think that trainer is cheating. Cheating is a relative term. If you are racing on hay, oats, and water, then you are at a competitive disadvantage. Sad state of affairs, but the reality. Detention barn and out of competition testing should be the norm, and should be frequent/regular.

I can't think of a top trainer, a successful trainer, who has never had a positive test. Can you? Go way back in Meadowlands history. Larry/Ray Remmen, Jim Doherty, Lofty Bruce, Greg Wright, Howard Camden, Jack Friedhoff, Kelvin Harrison? Move on, Rovine/Holloway, Dave Elliott, Ben Webster, Ron Waples? Then Robinson, Artandi, Stutzman, George Anthony, Pelling, Croghan, Holloway? Today, Ake, Burke, Alagna, Moore, Linda Toscano? Keep going. For me, there's a big difference between a clenbuterol positive (slightly over the limit) and some designer, exotic drug that has zero place on the backstretch or farm. Who do you give a horse to today, before you get accused of using a "drug" trainer? Yes, I do think there should be owner accountability, but that leads to a very slippery slope.

i can think of one..Blair Burgess..i dont think he has ever gotten a positive

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Re: Top 10 out east swamp trainers . How many drug suspects?
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2025, 07:03:21 PM »
    Any cheaters are gradually weeded out of this and every sport.

Yes, then more take their place as the honest ones are forced out

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Re: Top 10 out east swamp trainers . How many drug suspects?
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2025, 07:30:47 PM »
i can think of one..Blair Burgess..i dont think he has ever gotten a positive

Absolutely excellent thought. I have the utmost respect and admiration for Blair. I've sent him a horse before. More than once. I don't know if he has had a positive test. I never asked him. I will say one thing, even if he has, it wouldn't matter to me. I'd send him a horse any day, any time. Blair is the consummate professional. A true HOF'er and a class act.

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Re: Top 10 out east swamp trainers . How many drug suspects?
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2025, 09:25:26 PM »
Instead of guessing about positives, why not look the trainer up on Pathway?
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Re: Top 10 out east swamp trainers . How many drug suspects?
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2025, 09:38:46 PM »
The thread out east is current top 10 trainers. Doubtful some of these guys are cheats others not so sure.

1.Burke
2.Cullipher
3.Daley
4.Bongiorno
5.Height
6.Engblom
7.Silva
8.Svanstedt.
9.Posner /10. McKenzie.

 

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