CAW Article

[The Answer]

Definitely downplaying the effect on wagering. Would like to know what % each harness track allows them to wager.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/288225/elite-turf-club-president-on-computer-assisted-wagering

[pocketrocketwinner]

Not surprising that they say that they CAWs really only hurt the really good human (retail) players.

We will see how that holds up in court. Their position is every day, loser gamblers are gonna lose with or without CAWs so what does it matter to them. These arent the people complaining. Very crummy mess these tracks got themselves in.

[Yonkers1A]

Definitely downplaying the effect on wagering. Would like to know what % each harness track allows them to wager.

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/288225/elite-turf-club-president-on-computer-assisted-wagering

Very interesting, thanks for sharing

[seen2much]

This was a good read. 

[Papillon]

CAWs account for roughly 50% of the handle at all tracks--whether it be tbred or harness

if bettors see big pools-they think that is a good thing-when indeed the opposite is true

when 50% of the handle isn't human-and those bets come in way after the race starts....the bettors have little chance and their pockets are getting picked every race

if you want to avoid CAW play-bet Oaklawn Park-the only major tbred track that doesn't allow CAW action into their pools

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the bettors have little chance and their pockets are getting picked every race

 

    That goes for all betting in every sport!     

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50% of handle at buggy tracks? Doubt that. What is your source?

[Papillon]

Source: Thoroughbred Daily News https://share.google/a8IjJvpmqfjbA7IMA

This doesn't differentiate between the two breeds

[Any1Left]

CAWs account for roughly 50% of the handle at all tracks--whether it be tbred or harness

if bettors see big pools-they think that is a good thing-when indeed the opposite is true

when 50% of the handle isn't human-and those bets come in way after the race starts....the bettors have little chance and their pockets are getting picked every race

if you want to avoid CAW play-bet Oaklawn Park-the only major tbred track that doesn't allow CAW action into their pools

almost a perfect post but i read a couple years ago it  was 41 percent and was looking for it but could not find it and then i saw a 30 percent one today but i remember the 41 percent was from a good source but dont remember the source but the Oaklawn Park part is correct as the GM of the track said he believes in fair play i know i seem to always agree with him but his posts only talk racing and i find very helpful to the game

[Papillon]

almost a perfect post but i read a couple years ago it  was 41 percent and was looking for it but could not find it and then i saw a 30 percent one today but i remember the 41 percent was from a good source but dont remember the source but the Oaklawn Park part is correct as the GM of the track said he believes in fair play i know i seem to always agree with him but his posts only talk racing and i find very helpful to the game

thank you Sir

you are one of a small handful of people who actually know for a fact what I post is accurate

the non believers are slowly fading away--the money coming in  way after the race starts--this percentage of the handle these CAWs generate and the overall corruption between the tracks and major ADWs that I have mentioned for years is now coming to light

there will always be a group of delusional players/posters that still believe that this is all legit....that the betting stops after the race starts-i can only pity those people

[Any1Left]

thank you Sir

you are one of a small handful of people who actually know for a fact what I post is accurate

the non believers are slowly fading away--the money coming in  way after the race starts--this percentage of the handle these CAWs generate and the overall corruption between the tracks and major ADWs that I have mentioned for years is now coming to light

there will always be a group of delusional players/posters that still believe that this is all legit....that the betting stops after the race starts-i can only pity those people

A few months ago i asked my betting site if they could check into JAPAN B track wagering and this is hosted by a AUSTRAILIAN HUB as 2-5 minutes after a race odds changed and if anybody bet that product they would know its true and 90 percent of the time winning horse and exactors dropped in price and the hub i bet with said no answers him back and i repeated asking him again and again and the site never called him back ,       Now a few months ago winning odds stopped changing after a race but this went on for a couple years and also when double carryovers happened would see 40000 dollars bet into a 6000 carryover at 4 in thee morning with 90 percent of America unable to bet on it and i would bet at odds of 1-100 that 40000 dollars was not bet into these pools were no one had a racing form and for many they would not know where to finds track odds and this money came from north AMERICAn betting and again i asked the hub i bet with if he could find out where this money was coming  from and this time he was answered and the reply was we do not give up customer information,            Now almost all gamblers who gamble on a regular basis have found a clitch in the system and took advantage of this situation and people who are paid to watch this just sit back and do nothing and believe that no news is better than bad news and for sure that is not true as like in the CAPONE days everybody knows what is happening and people are driven away as everybody wants just rewards when cashing and not a fraction of a normal payoff

[SAW]

thank you Sir

you are one of a small handful of people who actually know for a fact what I post is accurate

there will always be a group of delusional players/posters that still believe that this is all legit....that the betting stops after the race starts-i can only pity those people

Pity yourself, Nobody bets after the BELL!

What you post is your own delusional conjecture no facts!!!

During a one-year period of Santa Anita data studied (July 1, 2024, through June 30, 2025), the average amount of handle in the last 60 seconds coming from CAW players in each race was 30%. That means that 70% of the late money was from non-CAW players. So CAW players certainly contributed to the late odds shift, but they were not the sole cause.

In some respects, technology has caused the issue of late odds shifts because advancements in online wagering now allow so much money to come into the win pool in the last 60 seconds. So we need to look to technology for solutions. AmTote now updates its tote odds every 10 seconds as the race nears, which helps to smooth out the changes in odds. But other tote companies are still sending their data into the pools on 30-second cycles.

The wagering pools at a host track—such as Santa Anita—close simultaneously for all guest locations (racetracks, casinos, OTBs, and ADW companies) wagering into those pools. It is not possible for any player, including any Elite player, to place a wager after the pools have closed. AmTote possesses detailed time-synchronized transactional logs and Inter Tote System Protocol logs between its respective guest hubs and host racetrack hubs, archived indefinitely. AmTote can clearly demonstrate the time that each wager transaction was received and validate that it was before the time of the stop betting command. The only time any player would be able to wager after a race starts is the extremely rare circumstance where the wagering pools for a race fail to close due to human error. In that circumstance, the wagering pools would remain open for all guest locations until the error is rectified.

[Papillon]

Pity yourself, Nobody bets after the BELL!

What you post is your own delusional conjecture no facts!!!

During a one-year period of Santa Anita data studied (July 1, 2024, through June 30, 2025), the average amount of handle in the last 60 seconds coming from CAW players in each race was 30%. That means that 70% of the late money was from non-CAW players. So CAW players certainly contributed to the late odds shift, but they were not the sole cause.

In some respects, technology has caused the issue of late odds shifts because advancements in online wagering now allow so much money to come into the win pool in the last 60 seconds. So we need to look to technology for solutions. AmTote now updates its tote odds every 10 seconds as the race nears, which helps to smooth out the changes in odds. But other tote companies are still sending their data into the pools on 30-second cycles.

The wagering pools at a host track—such as Santa Anita—close simultaneously for all guest locations (racetracks, casinos, OTBs, and ADW companies) wagering into those pools. It is not possible for any player, including any Elite player, to place a wager after the pools have closed. AmTote possesses detailed time-synchronized transactional logs and Inter Tote System Protocol logs between its respective guest hubs and host racetrack hubs, archived indefinitely. AmTote can clearly demonstrate the time that each wager transaction was received and validate that it was before the time of the stop betting command. The only time any player would be able to wager after a race starts is the extremely rare circumstance where the wagering pools for a race fail to close due to human error. In that circumstance, the wagering pools would remain open for all guest locations until the error is rectified.

you seem to be under the impression that the pools close when the race starts

that's ok Saw--i have heard it all for 15 years about how honest all of this is

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you seem to be under the impression that the pools close when the race starts

that's ok Saw--i have heard it all for 15 years about how honest all of this is

   If there's betting after the start its a very rare malfunction of the tote system.  But conspiracy theorists and haters believe the nonsense.

[simplify]

Source: Thoroughbred Daily News https://share.google/a8IjJvpmqfjbA7IMA

This doesn't differentiate between the two breeds

Right...I would assume less than 20% on buggys