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Dave Portnoy quits betting horses
« on: October 19, 2025, 10:00:09 AM »
Huge gambling influencer tweets over the weekend that he has quit his favorite thing to gamble on.

Calls CAWs illegal.eludes to tracks owning them and are in the pools betting into you.

This on the heels of eilte refusing to disclose any information about their accounts.

Racing is in humongous trouble
 

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Re: Dave Portnoy quits betting horses
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2025, 04:28:50 PM »
All bettors should unite on Breeders Cup weekend and do the same.  But they won’t.   tmbz1

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Re: Dave Portnoy quits betting horses
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2025, 06:53:10 PM »
Hopefully Portnoy has some influence, betting into CAW tracks is a losing strategy.

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Re: Dave Portnoy quits betting horses
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2025, 07:02:12 PM »
All bettors should unite on Breeders Cup weekend and do the same.  But they won’t.   tmbz1

I think the gamblers have spoken up the most over the last 50 years.

This time it's the honest horseman's turn, maybe not on a stake night but just walk out on racing across NA, and see who shows up.

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Re: Dave Portnoy quits betting horses
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2025, 07:03:12 PM »
Hopefully Portnoy has some influence, betting into CAW tracks is a losing strategy.

He's got more influence than anyone in the gambling space. That's a fact. He has been been on the offensive, exposing CAWs all day. There's even been a scathing story from the main barstool account. Tracks should be very nervous but they are very likely dumb enough to not even know

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Re: Dave Portnoy quits betting horses
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2025, 07:26:47 PM »
He's got more influence than anyone in the gambling space. That's a fact. He has been been on the offensive, exposing CAWs all day. There's even been a scathing story from the main barstool account. Tracks should be very nervous but they are very likely dumb enough to not even know

He'll have a fraction so low it will be considered ZERO influence.

The honest horseman need to do a NA walkout.

Let them scratch 3/4's of all the horse and see if they can make a card.

The gamblers should be thrilled, and then we're all in solidarity.

We basically have the same gripe however it affects us differently but same bottom line.

CAW is probably illegal is the theory and that should be pursued.


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Re: Dave Portnoy quits betting horses
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2025, 07:35:59 PM »
He'll have a fraction so low it will be considered ZERO influence.

The honest horseman need to do a NA walkout.

Let them scratch 3/4's of all the horse and see if they can make a card.

The gamblers should be thrilled, and then we're all in solidarity.

We basically have the same gripe however it affects us differently but same bottom line.

CAW is probably illegal is the theory and that should be pursued.

If the tracks got legally pursued about the CAWs, these tracks would be in a devastatingly bad sitaution. The issue is getting this investigated by the right people. The ultimate question is what would happen if they were eliminated entirely? My guess is the entire wagering portion of the industry completely collapses.

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Re: Dave Portnoy quits betting horses
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2025, 07:40:40 PM »
If the tracks got legally pursued about the CAWs, these tracks would be in a devastatingly bad sitaution. The issue is getting this investigated by the right people. The ultimate question is what would happen if they were eliminated entirely? My guess is the entire wagering portion of the industry completely collapses.

These CAWs work on a sliding scale of % of the pools, it's a good question.  I'm sure they're meant to win and also by not saturating the pools with mostly their own money.  30-40% reduction I think is the reported number at the tracks they're in.

But so what they're all on welfare money from the Casino, in Canada their govt subsidizes directly or it has.

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Re: Dave Portnoy quits betting horses
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2025, 07:47:42 PM »
Truro
Total Purse: $68,375
Total Handle: $33,272

Inverness
Total Purse: $10,075
Total Handle: $8,125

I highly doubt these get 1 penny of CAW money, but Inverness really wtf, they must have some lobby in Canada, please pretty please just a quarter mil for the whole meet.  Thank you daddy!   ngc3

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Re: Dave Portnoy quits betting horses
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2025, 07:58:47 PM »
These CAWs work on a sliding scale of % of the pools, it's a good question.  I'm sure they're meant to win and also by not saturating the pools with mostly their own money.  30-40% reduction I think is the reported number at the tracks they're in.

But so what they're all on welfare money from the Casino, in Canada their govt subsidizes directly or it has.

The biggest issue is if NYRA and Stronach not only own the CAWs but they have their own accounts and are skimming and profiting from their own pools. This is what portnoy has been saying. If true, oh my. Save your tickets

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Re: Dave Portnoy quits betting horses
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2025, 08:04:36 PM »
The biggest issue is if NYRA and Stronach not only own the CAWs but they have their own accounts and are skimming and profiting from their own pools. This is what portnoy has been saying. If true, oh my. Save your tickets

NYRA top guys have their own accounts, I know that for a fact.

They get inside info all the time because they are the inside.

Profiting is also about winning.

Skimming though, I think you need to play that one out how it's happening.

Funny, true story was talking to an exec there on the day the tote system was screwing up a couple weeks ago.  He said to me, we own 49% of this tote, they don't tell us shit.   ngc3

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Re: Dave Portnoy quits betting horses
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2025, 08:09:52 PM »
NYRA top guys have their own accounts, I know that for a fact.

They get inside info all the time because they are the inside.

Profiting is also about winning.

Skimming though, I think you need to play that one out how it's happening.

Funny, true story was talking to an exec there on the day the tote system was screwing up a couple weeks ago.  He said to me, we own 49% of this tote, they don't tell us shit.   ngc3

Not talking about NYRA top guys personal accounts betting just like you and i do. What portnoy is talking about is the Elite accounts betting 50% of the pools using AI to place bets at the last second actually being owned by NYRA and stronach. These are not human personal accounts. They are AI driven computer accounts. ELITE refuses to disclose any information about their accounts citing contractual agreements. Seems like Portnoy knows more than we do.

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Re: Dave Portnoy quits betting horses
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2025, 08:17:54 PM »
Not talking about NYRA top guys personal accounts betting just like you and i do. What portnoy is talking about is the Elite accounts betting 50% of the pools using AI to place bets at the last second actually being owned by NYRA and stronach. These are not human personal accounts. They are AI driven computer accounts. ELITE refuses to disclose any information about their accounts citing contractual agreements. Seems like Portnoy knows more than we do.

From what I understand they pay a fortune $? to have the opportunity, so they buy in, then they get a percentage of the take out back, much bigger than say a rebate that can go upwards of 8%. 

Bet 500,000, lose 50,000 = $450,000 + 62,500 (12.5% of their rake on the 500,000 wagered) = $512,500  In that scenario they can lose and win $12,500, and yes it looks like a conflict of interest.  Worst they control so much money I think jockeys and trainers are in on it and that is why they're getting inside stuff, fixing races too.  There is now billions on the line.

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Re: Dave Portnoy quits betting horses
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2025, 08:21:36 PM »
He's got more influence than anyone in the gambling space. That's a fact. He has been been on the offensive, exposing CAWs all day. There's even been a scathing story from the main barstool account. Tracks should be very nervous but they are very likely dumb enough to not even know
True, he's a huge gambling influencer. But how big in the horse race betting space?  Barstool exploded when sports gambling got legalized and while horse gamblers bet sports (and always have), I'm not sure a lot of newer/younger sports bettors cross into horse race betting.  They see 20% rake, 2x sports vig... I don't think so.

Saratoga and Keeneland and Del Mar draw younger but that's it. And that's where we see Portnoy show up and do a few bits for his shows or post on X. 

I follow Portnoy on X and his "I Quit" posts draw 1000s of "Me Too's" but I doubt 5% of those replying bet horses.

And yes, the tracks owning CAWs is deplorable.






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Re: Dave Portnoy quits betting horses
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2025, 08:21:39 PM »
From what I understand they pay a fortune $? to have the opportunity, so they buy in, then they get a percentage of the take out back, much bigger than say a rebate that can go upwards of 8%. 

Bet 500,000, lose 50,000 = $450,000 + 62,500 (12.5% of their rake on the 500,000 wagered) = $512,500  In that scenario they can lose and win $12,500, and yes it looks like a conflict of interest.  Worst they control so much money I think jockeys and trainers are in on it and that is why they're getting inside stuff, fixing races too.  There is now billions on the line.

If the Elite accounts that are making the bets are owned by the tracks themsleves, it doesnt cost them anything other than paying for the tech and AI to send in their own bets. They wouldn't charge themselves to bet.

Its possible there is more than just AI involved in determining the bets. Who knows. But yes. Many billions.

 

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