I have a question, You said you had never heard of Mike before all of this back and forth,  yet you said Vince despised him back in the day?

Maybe he had lunch with him last week, even though he died decades ago. This is the best these cowards can do.

People on both sides of these arguments need to get a life.  It was slightly entertaining for a while; but let's try to get back to talking about racing related matters and wagering.  Enough is enough.

 

Pena races in PA, had/has multiple beards. Didn't Lou have 3 in some races years ago at Yonkers?

PA is the wild west. They are a joke. The joke in the business is, get thrown out of everywhere else, and you can go to PA. Everybody knows the Pena debacle. Whether it's the Al Capone thing or not, whatever they ended up getting him for, the business and sport was better off without him. While I won't speak ill of the dead, nor a friend who I knew for over 40 years, I absolutely, positively, could not disagree more with Ron Gurfein, his original position on Pena, and what he wrote about Pena. We had more than one heated debate on it. In the end what Gurfein wrote about and what he really felt were two different things.

Another conspiracy theory, huh? You’re an idiot.

Too much of a coincidence Paintbrush

Yeh

Which one is the lie that you told to the forum?  (or both?  )

(1) On 12/9/25 G tells a story that he visited FATSO's farm for the first time that previous Saturday.

(2) On 8/11/26 G tells a story that the first time he's been to FATSO's farm was two week prior (end of July 26').

Supports my "more than one person posting in G's account" theory....