YR questions

[Stan durbread]

I don’t get why this conversation is all about Brent Holland and all the negativity. If he is so bad then why hasn’t anyone brought up the 6 other regulars that have a lower UDRS? Brent is at .236 this year at YR. The other 6…LaChance .218, Marohn Jr .213, Siegelman .207, Dube .198, Boyd .159 and Smith .150. I again point out that he will earn $200,000-$250,000 personally at YR. I do not recall him in any kind of trouble nor is he ever in the news. Ok there are are better drivers at YR and we all know who they are. So what? These 5 better drivers don’t win every race. Most races have 7-8 starters and the trainers can pick from many other drivers but Holland gets the call more time than not. Is he a future HOF driver no but he isn’t in the bum of the week club either.

That was my point

[Stan durbread]

On a different note - 2nd race at YR Open 36k. First quarter 26.3, last quarter 29.1   We used to call that "inside out" racing. Highest purse of the night and I guarantee that will be the slowest last quarter of the night.

This makes my point in the drivers betting angle. 36k purse.  20k total in pools. There is no bet you could possibly make to make up the difference in the 5%. And hopefully no one chirps about offshore. They will shut your account off of you win to often

[Stan durbread]

On a different note - 2nd race at YR Open 36k. First quarter 26.3, last quarter 29.1   We used to call that "inside out" racing. Highest purse of the night and I guarantee that will be the slowest last quarter of the night.
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Out of curiosity what were the nw/last 5 conditions when you last raced there?  With the purses nw5k or 10k really encourage not winning or going a month without a check

[Fuguzzi]

NW 6k, NW 9k/optional 27k claimer, NW 11k /optional 33k

[Stan durbread]

NW 6k, NW 9k/optional 27k claimer, NW 11k /optional 33k

Did that make sense with the purses?  Right now nw5k goes for 12k. With a bottom level horse you won 1 you gotta go without a check for 5 starts to compete. For me that was 6 weeks. I never raced 1 more than 3 weeks in a row if I could help it. I mostly had youngsters and would sell after a few starts. But the last 1 I trained far exceeded expectations and became part of the family. I hated the idea of going to the races knowing we were not getting any money that night. BTW he is retired and I’m still feeding him. Lol. But he fed me for 7 years

[Fuguzzi]

I see what you are asking. Well the NW6k/opt 18k Cl. went for 9000 purse, the the next went for 11000 purse, the next 13000 purse and son on. I was very heavily into claimers and hardly ever rode the conditioned elevator because I wanted to be my own race secy.

If i had a 3 or 4 year old they were usually hanging out in the NW 2, NW 3 or 12.500 lifetime or NW 4 or 25,000 lifetime guys would hang out in those classes all year finishing 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd and on and on

[Stan durbread]

That is what I was looking for. These days a lot of the “stiffing” is the race secretary fault. Drivers and trainers just trying to keep their horses competitive

[Fuguzzi]

 

[7minuteAbz]

And here am I, retired after 45 years of rubbing, training and owning and all this time i have been suffering under the delusion that the point of the whole fucking thing was to win races. That's why, lacking the nerve and skill set to drive, I always used the best drivers i could find, who tried to win for me as often as they could, or at least make it look good when they lost. I acknowledge that it is important to have a horse to race week after week, explaining why Walter Case drove for me exactly once ever ( he won, btw ), YR/RR I did just fine with Herve, Luc, Marohn, Sonny and Irvine. If I was after Holland's objectives and those of some of the people on here who wanna tell me how he makes 200k a year, blah, blah, blah I could have used stiffs like Cormier, Jay Randall and Joe Marsh ( we used to call him the policeman ). I have learned more about what I don't know in 5 months here than 45 years on the backstretch.

Why bring Jay into this discussion?

[Yonkers1A]

Why bring Jay into this discussion?

Easy Mrs Randall, all is good

[Fuguzzi]

Because in those days upon arriving at YR, he was a stiff from jumpstreet who fell right in line with the crew.