And who was trying to coerce me to lay off Mr. Taylor during this out of nowhere phone call from Tony Zubkoff???
https://youtu.be/4oCjRr9Wmi8?si=q-oWLJMQMp0C4PCtTranscript. Tony Zubkoff and myself...
TZ: whatever your invoices and he had said that yes, he said you need you had a lot of invoices or something like
TZ: that. U and I said, "Well, let me call him real quick and and I will call you back." All right. So, let let me No,
TZ: I got I got to make sure I don't want I don't want you to take this the wrong way, but he's a really really good friend of mine. Okay. So, what you're telling me is, see, cuz this is hard for
TZ: me to to um uh listen, I promise you I swear on the on the life. No, no, no.
MP: But what I'm saying is you're telling me, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, that you were talking, you called Howard Taylor for something else within the last half
MP: And he brought up me. Yeah. To a presiding Wait a minute. To a presiding judge.
TZ: He He called up. He said he said basically said this betrayal he's trying to destroy me and this and that. I said I know him. I said let me give him a
TZ: He was like he wasn't even the same guy in the phone. You know what I mean? He's just like well Tony and again I've been square with you and I've
MP: helped you with Gary Wilmmont and stuff like that. But Tony you got a good memory. Yeah. Yeah. Tony I don't forget anything.
MP: And what I'm saying to you is first of all I am not I am not licensed anymore by the state of New York. So, it's what
MP: what I'm trying to tell you is if Howard Taylor called you to help him, I called Howard. No, I'm Well, let me let me
MP: rephrase that. But during your conversation with Howard Taylor tonight, he had the audacity to put you in a in a
MP: position as a presiding judge for for New York State Gaming.
TZ: Correct. To ask me He didn't ask He didn't put me on the spot to ask me that. No. But what did he say exactly to
TZ: you about what I'm doing? He just said like basically you're trying to destroy him. How am I trying to destroy him? I I
TZ: I volunteered to make a call to you. He didn't tell me to call you. I said, "Well, let me call the guy." And and he
TZ: didn't ask me that at all. He just I can just tell that something was bothering him and and then he told me. He said, "Put's trying to destroy me." Well,
MP: Petelli is not trying to destroy him. Uh Tony, what he did was wrong and was illegal. I've never seen no paperwork or anything like that. Tony, what I'm
MP: trying,000 pages, Tony, what I'm trying to tell you is as an accredited official through United States Charting Association who's now employed and bound
MP: by the mandates and states statutes of the state of New York through the New York State Gaming Association. You making this call is bad. Like really
MP: bad. He's in the middle of a federal investigation and you are a judge who's mandated to uphold the truth and you're doing a favor for a friend who's been
MP: who we have the testimony, the transcripts, the wire taps and uh the evidence against him. Not we the federal
MP: government does. Tony, what I'm telling you is what I'm telling you as a friend is this phone call is very what can I call it?
MP: Dangerous for you and inappropriate.
TZ: No, I I know I have no idea what any of that paperwork or all that stuff you're saying. I I don't I don't follow it. Um
TZ: I didn't know nothing about any of that stuff until yesterday.
MP: But I mean I I can't believe that Howard as an attorney would put you in such harm's way if he's a friend of yours.
MP: Because Tony, I'm telling you, he didn't he didn't put me in harm's way. I said I He said all he I just told you. All he said was the Trell is trying to destroy
TZ: I said, "Okay, let I'll make a call and see what's going on." You know, and when when you said that to when you said that to him, when you said that to him
TZ: as uh But when you said that to him, what or anything like that? But what else? That I know the guy and I see what's going on. Okay. So, what else?
MP: But I'm saying when you said that you're going to call me, what was his response?
TZ: Uh he really didn't have a response really. He just said uh when you ever talk to him sometimes
TZ: he's it's the lawyer talk okay by fine like that you know I mean it's just it wasn't like oh please do this or please
TZ: do that. No he just uh like I said again I don't know what
TZ: um what everything's about. You know I really I've never read like I said I never read anything. And and when he
MP: said that I'm trying to I'm trying to destroy him. What were what were his grounds for saying that anyway? I He
TZ: didn't say He didn't say so.
MP: Have you ever talked to him? No. And I have no intention of talking to him. Oh, he never would. Okay. No, I'm on the side of right, not on the side of wrong.
MP: Tony, pardon me. I'm on the side of right, not the side of wrong. What he did was Okay.
TZ: I didn't I didn't know. I would like to uh I It's none of my business. So, um, I just I told him you're a good guy.
TZ: I said, you know, uh, he's trying to help the business. Well, we can go. Now, let me ask you this. Your name your name has got brought up before to somebody
TZ: and I can't remember who it was. Maybe months, maybe maybe a year ago or two. I don't remember. You had problems with him in the past to Howard Taylor? Yeah, we had a conversation about a year ago.
MP: No, you told me a long time ago that you were friends, but that was when Howard was just part of the big picture and not not dead center of the scope on the
MP: radar. Right now, he's dead center of the scope. I didn't investig.
MP: Tony, do you understand what we just got? I thought it was all over with. All over with. Do you understand what we just got done? Did you see that the USDA
MP: actually reciprocated and uh and and is following the ban from ADCO for Gillis?
TZ: Yeah, I seen that the USDA went ahead with you. So that was you talked about Russell Williams.
MP: Yeah, I guess he kept his word, didn't Well, that's not Russell. That's supposed to be an executive meeting. And
MP: uh Oh, yeah. And that's a that's a reciprocal means it's executive. He's not So they have a
MP: review of exe of the executive officers, no membership, no directors, and say, "We're going to reciprocate
TZ: because this is for real." I just Who's AGCO? I never heard of them.
TZ: Don't they got a racing commission?
MP: Alcohol, gaming, uh, and whatever up there. It's like New York State Gaming here, but they also
MP: are in charge of uh I think it's uh you know they're one one-stop shop for
MP: casinos, all that gambling, booze, tobacco and they and they busted that guy
MP: without I mean not bust him, they suspend him and find him without even a hearing. Wow. This is what I'm saying.
TZ: This is and Howard's part of it. I have I have um Howard had horses with a guy. No,
MP: Howard had horses hidden with Josh Marx who was banned. Howard was Howard was uh purchasing stuff through a trainer's
MP: name who didn't even know he was using his name. I have the cancel checks and I have the statement today from the
MP: trainer. Yes, if you go listen to the two recordings today where I have the uh voices changed and that's the trainer
MP: telling me what they were doing using his name and Howard had horses that were being trained by Josh Marx and bearded by this ini individual at Windgap forum.
TZ MP: No, I didn't even know about any of that. Well, now you do.
TZ: Your friend is where is it on? Is that on Facebook or what's it on? That's on YouTube.
MP: And I could easily look at this conversation that you might be trying to sponge me for information to take back to Howard. No, no, not at I not even I
MP: just So what I got to do now, Tony, is Tony, what? No, not at all. What what's going to happen is I'm going to send
MP TZ: this recording to New York State Gaming tomorrow through Okay. What record? Are we recording? Yeah, we're being recorded right now.
MP: I'm just giving you a heads up. Why would you do that? I mean, what's Why would you call me and ask me to back to back off Howard Taylor? You just did to me what Jason Bartlett did to me.
TZ MP: Sorry, I didn't ask. I just asked what's going on with Howard Taylor. Tony, you're you're a racing official with the state of New York. You did did you sign an oath?
TZ MP: Uh, I don't know. I'm not I got nothing to hide. I follow the rules. Um Well, you just broke the rules.
MP TZ: Uhhuh. This is so inappropriate. I can't even explain it. I can't believe you're the one asking me this. I just am. Mike, I don't know what the guy's done. I told
MP: you. Doesn't matter. So, what you're supposed to do in your position, especially as a man who's supposed to be uphold the rules of harness racing, New
MP: York, the state of New York, United States Charting Association is before you call me, investigated. Don't call me.
MP: I don't think you realize what you just don't know. You just threw yourself in the middle of something enormous.
MP TZ: Anyway, I gotta go, Tony. Okay. All right, buddy. Bye.
