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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: SDST2009 on May 16, 2026, 09:32:32 PM
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Starting this thread because I think we need it.
This thing is a freak. I don't know too many who can conduct a glorified training mile sub 50 like that.
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McClure said it best in post race interview. He just doesn’t want to get him a bad trip to tarnish his growing legacy. He also believes the horse is a once in a lifetime freak of a horse.
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Does bobble deserve to drive the horse.
Prison?
Maybe a prison hospital?
Maybe a morgue?
He's a bad cheater and the answer would be dependent on how many gamblers he screwed they locked him up with.
He's hurt many a gambler, owner, trainer, horse....the horse would probably win with a fat P Driver on him.
I could compile hundreds of videos of evidence of his lack of effort, nor tries, burying live horses...bobble deserves nothing.
Maybe his wife will dump him and find a suitor who is a proper provider.
Shows how disintegrated this business is, a million wrongs are not righted by a one move monster of a horse that he pilots.
Hope the horse finds a better driver too, one that's talented and doesn't cheat.
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Does bobble deserve to drive the horse.
Prison?
Maybe a prison hospital?
Maybe a morgue?
He's a bad cheater and the answer would be dependent on how many gamblers he screwed they locked him up with.
He's hurt many a gambler, owner, trainer, horse....the horse would probably win with a fat P Driver on him.
I could compile hundreds of videos of evidence of his lack of effort, nor tries, burying live horses...bobble deserves nothing.
Maybe his wife will dump him and find a suitor who is a proper provider.
Shows how disintegrated this business is, a million wrongs are not righted by a one move monster of a horse that he pilots.
Hope the horse finds a better driver too, one that's talented and doesn't cheat.
Trig I don't LOVE McClure but I wouldn't take the drive away from him, no way, no how, at this point.
I like Bob. I gather you don't, and I have seen him do some dumb shit out there, but if you like it or not he's ended up behind some good ones and I don't think that's coincidence, and not for bad reasons.
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^Some people love "doom & gloom" and can never be happy no matter what
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Trig I don't LOVE McClure but I wouldn't take the drive away from him, no way, no how, at this point.
I like Bob. I gather you don't, and I have seen him do some dumb shit out there, but if you like it or not he's ended up behind some good ones and I don't think that's coincidence, and not for bad reasons.
No, a criminal with a double life doing something good too doesn't cut it.
There's been much better people at their professions on planet earth held accountable that were athletes, executives, doctors...bobble is a nothing!
He should stay in Canada too.
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He should stay in Canada too.
I agree he's not an inter-country player..but he did win the Hambo.
I wouldn't seek him out, but I wouldn't take him off of one he was doing well with.
I am not familiar with whatever criminal activity you're referring to, but if you can point to to some evidence of it, I will be more than happy to educate myself on it.
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I agree he's not an inter-country player..but he did win the Hambo.
I wouldn't seek him out, but I wouldn't take him off of one he was doing well with.
I am not familiar with whatever criminal activity you're referring to, but if you can point to to some evidence of it, I will be more than happy to educate myself on it.
No need to go into the videos, we'll find cheating from him going forward - no problem, it's like betting the sun will rise tmbz1
Him, JMac, McNair would do great tmbz1 in an interrogation ngc3 save us all a bunch of time ngc3
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Back to what this thread is about - anyone interested in the sport should be excited about this colt.
The Mohawk media crew is over the moon about him. It is going to be a bad look when (if?) he gets beat.
That said, the pessimist in me wants to poke holes in him...but I haven't seen them yet.
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I think Beau Jangles was lucky last year that the top few Indiana horses were not staked to grand circuit.
This year, different story. I don't see anyone touching Beau Jangles.
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Back to what this thread is about - anyone interested in the sport should be excited about this colt.
The Mohawk media crew is over the moon about him. It is going to be a bad look when (if?) he gets beat.
That said, the pessimist in me wants to poke holes in him...but I haven't seen them yet.
Is he ever going to leave Canada this year to race for money?
ngc3
I'm not looking to beat the horse, unless I bet him that way.
One mishap, and it's over, that's part of racing for every participant.
If he's on the track he's healthy.
If he's healthy he'll be hard to beat.
Shown he has heart last year.
If Burke has 2-3 that tag teams up on him it could be curtains.
Let's see him show up at the BigM, and we'll see what shows up as competition.
Is he ever leaving Canada or is he a talented horse pussycat ngc3
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^Some people love "doom & gloom" and can never be happy no matter what
tmbz1
I really hope this colt brings some good publicity to the sport.
Just my opinion, but in probably 35ish years of really paying attention to the sport..he has my attention. I can count on one hand how many really have. There's no one else racing right now, other than him, that falls into that category.
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I think Beau Jangles was lucky last year that the top few Indiana horses were not staked to grand circuit.
This year, different story. I don't see anyone touching Beau Jangles.
You're exactly right.
So far - I haven't seen anything that can get within a few lengths of him. Several of the potential contenders from last year haven't come back even close to how this colt has.
I'm usually a pessimist on horses like this, but he is freak good. I really hope he is the jolt this sport needs.
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Thanks for starting this thread SDST2009.. Alot of good points on here.
I just got home from Scioto and watched the replay.. I will make a few points
First, we can all agree the horse is an absolute monster
Second, it is great for the sport to have a superstar, how "the powers that be"use that super stardom is an entirely different topic
Third, of course the bobble doesn't deserve to drive this horse. He lucked into it. It's well documented that Roy was going to drive him his first lifetime start, but he had to be at The Meadowlands for the graduate finals. Right place, right time for McClure..
Having said that..alot of drivers had no business driving some of our sports superstars.. SBSW MacDonell, Niatross Clint Galbraith, Jenna's Beach Boy and Western Hanover Bill Fahy..I could go on and on.. so not ultra rare.
Lastly hopefully he comes to the states to compete..no horse in Canada is beating him. He is LBJ eligible and Dr. Moore hasn't been shy about racing here. Could he overcome post 7 or 8?
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Thanks for starting this thread SDST2009.. Alot of good points on here.
I just got home from Scioto and watched the replay.. I will make a few points
First, we can all agree the horse is an absolute monster
Second, it is great for the sport to have a superstar, how "the powers that be"use that super stardom is an entirely different topic
Third, of course the bobble doesn't deserve to drive this horse. He lucked into it. It's well documented that Roy was going to drive him his first lifetime start, but he had to be at The Meadowlands for the graduate finals. Right place, right time for McClure..
Having said that..alot of drivers had no business driving some of our sports superstars.. SBSW MacDonell, Niatross Clint Galbraith, Jenna's Beach Boy and Western Hanover Bill Fahy..I could go on and on.. so not ultra rare.
Lastly hopefully he comes to the states to compete..no horse in Canada is beating him. He is LBJ eligible and Dr. Moore hasn't been shy about racing here. Could he overcome post 7 or 8?
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Thanks for starting this thread SDST2009.. Alot of good points on here.
I just got home from Scioto and watched the replay.. I will make a few points
First, we can all agree the horse is an absolute monster
Second, it is great for the sport to have a superstar, how "the powers that be"use that super stardom is an entirely different topic
Third, of course the bobble doesn't deserve to drive this horse. He lucked into it. It's well documented that Roy was going to drive him his first lifetime start, but he had to be at The Meadowlands for the graduate finals. Right place, right time for McClure..
Having said that..alot of drivers had no business driving some of our sports superstars.. SBSW MacDonell, Niatross Clint Galbraith, Jenna's Beach Boy and Western Hanover Bill Fahy..I could go on and on.. so not ultra rare.
Lastly hopefully he comes to the states to compete..no horse in Canada is beating him. He is LBJ eligible and Dr. Moore hasn't been shy about racing here. Could he overcome post 7 or 8?
There's no impetus to take him away from Bob, and he is not incompetent. Are there drivers who could do better with the horse? Probably. But as you point out - if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
The ultimate unknown with this guy - he's never been anywhere else*
As of mid-May - continent-wide - I've seen nothing that can get within a couple lengths of him. So far nothing in Ontario can get within maybe 10 lengths of him.
I am on the Beau bandwagon. He could break my heart, but I hope he doesn't.
Regardless of what he ultimately does, I will say they are talking him up hard in Canada and he seems to be drawing crowds.
This is the sort of horse the sport needs.
*He has "been elsewhere" as he wintered and qualified in FLA. He doesn't seem like the kind of horse who won't travel well, but I will feel better about my faith in him once he wins a race elsewhere.
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I meant the horse coming to the states, not bobblehead. ngc3
You made a good point about a Burke tag team effort against him. Last year he had a 5 headed monster. Not sure what Burke has in the pipeline this year
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I meant the horse coming to the states, not bobblehead. ngc3
You made a good point about a Burke tag team effort against him. Last year he had a 5 headed monster. Not sure what Burke has in the pipeline this year
It turned out to be a 4 headed with a scratch.
Prince Hal Hanover won.
Coincidentally, a Ian Moore horse.
I called it and won too, was the Adios tmbz1
I can count all of my last year wins on a few fingers ngc3
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last year he had a 5 headed monster. Not sure what Burke has in the pipeline this year
And he still couldn't get him beat :)
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Why did his trainee Stockade Seelster scratch out of the LBJ? ngc3
Is he allowed back in the LBJ? ngc3
Doesn't Dr. Moore have enough money from the monopoly royalties? ngc3
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And he still couldn't get him beat :)
Man I am getting the yellow sad face alot tonight ngc3
I think you misunderstood me SDST2009..
I meant that Burke had a 5 headed monster of 3 year old colts last year
Louprint, Swingtown, Rick Wink, Harrisburg Heist and Sippinonsearoc
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Man I am getting the yellow sad face alot tonight ngc3
I think you misunderstood me SDST2009..
I meant that Burke had a 5 headed monster of 3 year old colts last year
Louprint, Swingtown, Rick Wink, Harrisburg Heist and Sippinonsearoc
:) is a smiley face, not sad ngc3
This is the exact look on my face when bobble and the Mohawk boys pulls their stunts... ngc3
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This is totally not relevant ngc3 but an interesting way to do some touch ups, improvements on problematic situations ngc3 i.e. people ngc3
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Man I am getting the yellow sad face alot tonight ngc3
I think you misunderstood me SDST2009..
I meant that Burke had a 5 headed monster of 3 year old colts last year
Louprint, Swingtown, Rick Wink, Harrisburg Heist and Sippinonsearoc
ah - yes - misunderstood. I was referring to the 2yos he put Beau up against last year (Frantic Hvr, etc.).
I haven't seen everything Burke has to offer in his 3yo crop this year, but so far he doesn't seem to have that firepower.
However, he is always good for buying what he doesn't have and dropping them 1-2 seconds somehow, so I guess we'll see.
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Did you put your adult size beau jangles pajamas on before you rushed back here to your thread that has gone viral ngc3
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I guess the bobble evidence #1, 20,000 lb elephant in the room will be ignored so you can glee in this thread ngc3
No worries, life has a funny way of working itself out! ;D
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Beau Jangles is definitely a freak but he will taste defeat, they all do. He was ultra impressive last night. Is it just me or have all of the other colts regressed from last year in Ontario? The majority in that race last night are Grass Roots colts. The way it’ll shake out this year is there Gold Finals will all be 5 or 6 horse fields.
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"Does bobble deserve to drive the horse.
Prison?
Maybe a prison hospital?
Maybe a morgue?"
Tigger, you are a fucking douche bag loser.
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"Does bobble deserve to drive the horse.
Prison?
Maybe a prison hospital?
Maybe a morgue?"
Tigger, you are a fucking douche bag loser.
Hate me, insult me for bobble being a cheater and it being pointed out ngc3 I'll never get over it ngc3
But it permanently cements who you are ngc3
Your credibility rating now outside of President Trump has hit the floor ngc3
You're Canadian, start cleaning up your mess and us Americans will clean up ours! ;D
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Beau is simply a monster, so, stop waiting for a negative performance and watch greatness happen before your eyes.. he'll humble everything that challenges him, including a driver error or an outrageous trip.. a Champion in every sense of the word, a true warrior and the flawless colt himself knows it.. class, speed and intelligence separates the good ones from great ones and Beau posses all the characteristics for greatness.. the sport needs a superstar, let's appreciate his stardom and praise his connections for the colts proper management..
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Beau is awesome.
I assume
Next will be the SBSW on 5/23-5/30 then the NA Cup 6/6-6/13 .
The MPace final is 7/11 with Elims 7/4.
The question mark is will he run in the Messenger at Yonkers 6/26 final ? He had the GRiver start over a half last year but this would be far tougher race.
We'll see.
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Horse is a monster but sure looks like a very mediocre group of 3 year old colt pacers across the sport this year. Someone will pop up - they always do - when I go through the NA Cup watchlist update it’s very bleh
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Beau is awesome.
I assume
Next will be the SBSW on 5/23-5/30 then the NA Cup 6/6-6/13 .
The MPace final is 7/11 with Elims 7/4.
The question mark is will he run in the Messenger at Yonkers 6/26 final ? He had the GRiver start over a half last year but this would be far tougher race.
We'll see.
He is racing in the OSS gold next week.
Skipping the SBSW and taking 2 weeks off before the NA Cup. Those are facts that Doc Moore said in an article I read.
My guess is after that...he will skip the Messenger and race in an OSS gold leg on June 27th. After that hopefully the Pace
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He is racing in the OSS gold next week.
Skipping the SBSW and taking 2 weeks off before the NA Cup. Those are facts that Doc Moore said in an article I read.
My guess is after that...he will skip the Messenger and race in an OSS gold leg on June 27th. After that hopefully the Pace
Beau is awesome.
I assume
Next will be the SBSW on 5/23-5/30 then the NA Cup 6/6-6/13 .
The MPace final is 7/11 with Elims 7/4.
The question mark is will he run in the Messenger at Yonkers 6/26 final ? He had the GRiver start over a half last year but this would be far tougher race.
We'll see.
Griver is 5/8 since 24'.
The horse is too busy stamping autographs in Canada, he ain't going nowhere ngc3
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He is racing in the OSS gold next week.
Skipping the SBSW and taking 2 weeks off before the NA Cup. Those are facts that Doc Moore said in an article I read.
My guess is after that...he will skip the Messenger and race in an OSS gold leg on June 27th. After that hopefully the Pace
thanks. tmbz1
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Beau is awesome.
I assume
Next will be the SBSW on 5/23-5/30 then the NA Cup 6/6-6/13 .
The MPace final is 7/11 with Elims 7/4.
The question mark is will he run in the Messenger at Yonkers 6/26 final ? He had the GRiver start over a half last year but this would be far tougher race.
We'll see.
Grand River was converted to a 5/8-mile track last year.
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thanks. tmbz1
No problem tmbz1
Ownership is smart to race him in the OSS gold a few legs.
Glorified qualifiers
Keeps him at home
Earn enough points for a $300,000 final 2 weeks before the breeders crown.
Its like an ATM machine for all involved.
If I had to guess, he leaves Canada 3 times at the absolute most
Meadowlands Pace
LBJ..he is jug eligible
Breeders Crown
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No problem tmbz1
Ownership is smart to race him in the OSS gold a few legs.
Glorified qualifiers
Keeps him at home
Earn enough points for a $300,000 final 2 weeks before the breeders crown.
Its like an ATM machine for all involved.
If I had to guess, he leaves Canada 3 times at the absolute most
Meadowlands Pace
LBJ..he is jug eligible
Breeders Crown
Any big races at Vagina Downs, it's only a 4 hour trip ngc3
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How many drivers have won both the Hambo and Meadowlands Pace? Not a lot. I hope McClure does it.
Beau might become the GOAT by season's end. IF (BIG IF) he remains undefeated AND breaks Bulldog's record at M1 or Lex he gets my vote.
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How many drivers have won both the Hambo and Meadowlands Pace? Not a lot. I hope McClure does it.
Beau might become the GOAT by season's end. IF (BIG IF) he remains undefeated AND breaks Bulldog's record at M1 or Lex he gets my vote.
Is it Canadian pride?
The horse for sure, but the bobble, friend of yours?
I don't root for, befriend, support thieves of anyone, muchless being victimized by it.
The horse is great though.
It's a big, big world I'm sure we can be more surgical in finding those that have more integrity than not.
Tough in harness racing, but only those with integrity is the goal.
Not bobble, and most all the driver colony at Mohawk, especially the top guys.
But if you are close to him, tell him, them, to cut the crap, now.
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I'm not Canadian and I don't know Mc Clure. I simply believe that winning both races would be an amazing feat.
I LOVE the horse no matter who drives him. I've only seen a handful with his talent and none with more.
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I'm not Canadian and I don't know Mc Clure. I simply believe that winning both races would be an amazing feat.
I LOVE the horse no matter who drives him. I've only seen a handful with his talent and none with more.
I didn't think Prince Hal Hanover should of been DQ'd in the Meadowlands Pace.
He was not losing that race.
I don't think Doc is ever going to forget that.
A testament to his training, that horse and his team seized every opportunity after that.
Madden Oaks retired, why, exactly, was done racing.
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Obviously the horse is a freak and a lot of fun to watch. Doc Moore is the best in the business and McClure is driving him great. I hope he gets his NA Cup. Funny thing is, McClure could win 20 in a row and $2 million on his card and the day he gets beat he’ll get all the blame and everyone will be yelling to switch drivers. Funny sport.
Also, who would have thought Cattlewash would be this good of a sire?
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No problem tmbz1
Ownership is smart to race him in the OSS gold a few legs.
Glorified qualifiers
Keeps him at home
Earn enough points for a $300,000 final 2 weeks before the breeders crown.
Its like an ATM machine for all involved.
If I had to guess, he leaves Canada 3 times at the absolute most
Meadowlands Pace
LBJ..he is jug eligible
Breeders Crown
Yea, I can’t blame them. Nice to stay home and make that kind of money and not a lot of wear and tear. I haven’t looked at a schedule but Doc Moore always seems to send on to the Adios?
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i believe he will race in the adios if possible to try and win the triple crown
would be wild to see him at the jug if he is still undefeated
sure i know some folks dont like the jug and its not as good as it once was but where else does harness racing get 40,000 people out to an event
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i believe he will race in the adios if possible to try and win the triple crown
would be wild to see him at the jug if he is still undefeated
sure i know some folks dont like the jug and its not as good as it once was but where else does harness racing get 40,000 people out to an event
ngc3
Bobble, turns tmbz1
ngc3
Better stay in Canada on the pretty 7/8s oval tmbz1
By all means let's see him travel, and be battle worthy ngc3
Coddled, and a driver who talks about not screwing up his legacy...what a thing to say ngc3
Since he's done it hundreds of times I witnessed. ngc3
If he travels make sure they bring his blankie ;D
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Here y'all go, BJ's Battle of the Waterloo final (Grand River 5/8's)...
Pick it up at 4 hours 42 min 31 seconds...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bVGHByNK4E
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Jangles is a very very good horse, but he will be beat this year
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Jangles is a very very good horse, but he will be beat this year
Odds On Mr Mamba World Record Oct 2 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kam3dVgtjI8
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Wow that horse looks pretty impressive. Not as big as Jangles, but pretty darn fast, there ya go. Looks like some major competition coming from that guy
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i believe he will race in the adios if possible to try and win the triple crown
would be wild to see him at the jug if he is still undefeated
sure i know some folks dont like the jug and its not as good as it once was but where else does harness racing get 40,000 people out to an event
Hate to break it to ya brown jug, but the Adios isn't part of the triple crown
Messenger
Cane Pace
LBJ
One of many things wrong with harness racing IMHO
Not enough emphasis on the triple crown races
TBred racing understands this, in fact in the very near future the Preakness will not be 2 weeks after the Derby.
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thanks for the correction jt
have to admit, i completely forget about the messenger stakes
and yes should be more focus on the triple crown races
what do you think about making the triple crown have the following races
meadowlands pace, na cup, lbj
i think those are now the big 3 and most relevant
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He will go undefeated racing against that pile of shit up there. And I suspect because he's had the easiest schedule since Beach, he might well be able to ship south a couple of times and be great on those days as well. It's not like yesteryear when every race would be contested and long travel was part of the deal.
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not moores first rodeo
they will play it smart
if he starts in 3 legs of the oss gold and the final and wins them all that is about $350k cdn and they are glorified qualifiers with no shipping
and then he has the na cup in mid june at mohawk
after that likely the meadowlands pace and breeders crown for sure and hopefully the lbj
beyond that there is the adios,cane.messenger, will see how many of those they enter
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How many drivers have won both the Hambo and Meadowlands Pace? Not a lot. I hope McClure does it.
I think it is more then you might think.
My fast count was 11 different drivers, but not all in the same year.
Going back to George Sholty who won the 1979 Meadowlands pace with Sonsam and The 1979 Hambo with Legend Hanover.
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Why did his trainee Stockade Seelster scratch out of the LBJ? ngc3
Is he allowed back in the LBJ? ngc3
Doesn't Dr. Moore have enough money from the monopoly royalties? ngc3
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Perhaps someone can look up the ruling from the prior LBJ INCIDENT, l believe that future Jug entries were addressed in the penalty. I think I remember scoffing while reading it thinking about the chances of having another Jug horse. It's definitely worth a look. If it's true then I predict that this is the reason one of the owners drove him in a qualifying race. It's now too easy to put the same guy down as trainer if need be.
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Odds On Mr Mamba is eligible for the North America Cup next month. Hope they enter him. Qualified on May 16 at Hoosier Park and finished first, winning in 1:53.2 on a sloppy track.
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if beau is undefeated going into the jug they will welcome him with the red carpet , no questions asked
as for mr mamba if he wants to show he is more than a sires stakes horse he better be at mohawk for the na cup
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And if Mamba enters and Jangles doesn't? Does that mean that Jangles is just a Canadian stakes champ, eh?
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And if Mamba enters and Jangles doesn't? Does that mean that Jangles is just a Canadian stakes champ, eh?
Dr. Moore gets tossed out of an LBJ.
He gets Dq'd in a Meadowlands Pace final.
He now has a very talented, successful horse that just so happens to have never left Canada.
That is a coincidence. ngc3
The owners of BJ and other horses with Dr. Moore take that into very serious consideration.
It's been made clear the US is an unstable territory for him.
bobble is a controversial, cheating scum, on any side of the border.
BJ's connections are going to be speaking with the connections of other top notch horses that are BJ's potential competition like Mamba and divide up the stakes territory is the smart approach, and likely approach that's happening right now.
Those other connections are powerhouses too.
I get the emotional enthusiasm from the fans and other horseman here that have no stake at this level and just want to see the best competition afforded, I do and would too.
But this is business and that's how business is done universally at any level, make the most money, with least risk and the path of least resistance, and be where your allies or at worst where the neutral parties are.
You don't have to be a horse racing expert to figure the future strategic plan regarding BJ's racing calendar to an almost a certainty, the past is a big big tell.
Maybe one race BJ meets the top American horses outside of Canada in America.
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Setting all your drama aside, he probably already has a 15-race schedule mapped out, subject to change and depending on his health. There's no way he's skipping the Meadowlands Pace, Little Brown Jug or Breeders Crown. If I had to predict, I think he'll run the 2nd week of the Red Mile Grand Circuit meet and maybe a race at Hoosier later in the year. Going back to last year, I think he wound up over racing Prince Hal Hanover and by the end of the year he was toast. I doubt he'll do the same with Beau Jangles.
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Setting all your drama aside, he probably already has a 15-race schedule mapped out, subject to change and depending on his health. There's no way he's skipping the Meadowlands Pace, Little Brown Jug or Breeders Crown. If I had to predict, I think he'll run the 2nd week of the Red Mile Grand Circuit meet and maybe a race at Hoosier later in the year. Going back to last year, I think he wound up over racing Prince Hal Hanover and by the end of the year he was toast. I doubt he'll do the same with Beau Jangles.
ngc3
11.wj fist predictions from another plop billionaire know it all dim bulb ngc3
Great memory I have I'll be here to remind you how badly the post ages if the fact the horse remains talented, healthy and so on... ngc3
You be here too then to take your bright bulb boy medicine! ;D
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The best thing about predictions are they're free. It's just my opinion, whether you agree with it doesn't matter one bit to me. You're the same guy who criticizes most of the drivers at Mohawk and says how corrupt the track is, yet you continue to wager on the track on a regular basis, does that make you smart to wager on a track you think is corrupt?
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The best thing about predictions are they're free. It's just my opinion, whether you agree with it doesn't matter one bit to me. You're the same guy who criticizes most of the drivers at Mohawk and says how corrupt the track is, yet you continue to wager on the track on a regular basis, does that make you smart to wager on a track you think is corrupt?
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Start talking out of your mouth, the anus should be used for defecating ngc3
Defective brain or no brain, tr tr tr tr try ngc3
Now I sound like you too, yikes ngc3
Keep following my progress, it's my last year, my gambling race ain't done yet! ;D
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If you're really serious about quitting after this year why not start right now? Do you really think you'll be able to keep your word on quitting gambling after this year. When you've been at anything for a long time it's difficult to give it up. Some people quit smoking cold turkey, but when gambling is in your blood it's much more difficult.
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If you're really serious about quitting after this year why not start right now? Do you really think you'll be able to keep your word on quitting gambling after this year. When you've been at anything for a long time it's difficult to give it up. Some people quit smoking cold turkey, but when gambling is in your blood it's much more difficult.
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Is your hobby telling others what to do with theirs or what their hobbies should be, and to do with their money and their chosen challenges on a horse racing social site ngc3
Misery it must be to be you ngc3
You're a real NAG ngc3
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I agree that gambling is a challenge especially when you have to depend on the trainer having their horse ready and the driver or jockey make the right moves during a race.
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The best thing about predictions are they're free. It's just my opinion, whether you agree with it doesn't matter one bit to me. You're the same guy who criticizes most of the drivers at Mohawk and says how corrupt the track is, yet you continue to wager on the track on a regular basis, does that make you smart to wager on a track you think is corrupt?
tmbz1 Good post.
Bad habits are hard to break. Those 10 and 20 cent Superfectas must look too good to pass. 25% takeout be damned.
If you're really serious about quitting after this year why not start right now? Do you really think you'll be able to keep your word on quitting gambling after this year. When you've been at anything for a long time it's difficult to give it up. Some people quit smoking cold turkey, but when gambling is in your blood it's much more difficult.
I hope the guy's betting approach kicks in high gear and he hits 2 or 3 good ones in a row. Or he just gets lucky and lands on a high priced winner with all the gimmick bets cashing.
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I'm the hard gambler to back, I'm the long shot in our plop field to hit a monster, muchless several.
When my VS kicks in, maybe catch one on the fly that connects who knows.
Y'all laughed race after race while Scotty screwed with Meshuggah.
Mixed the horse so damn up even he was confused when to go into gear.
Only the owner and I believed, and am sure others that we don't know.
Got some serious flack here stakes race after stakes race....but I knew in Vernon Downs earlier in the year he had something special.
Then took he took down the Breeders Crown in a couple of seconds with an up the wood move with the #1.
Pick it up at 2m50s, 62-1...and SZ almost gave up and then didn't for once damn it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpHM8QBU60
Wasn't the only one that night or last year.
I'm going to have a bunch of double digit horses, slow down on the bs, and get them to connect? A bit of luck for the right storm....maybe you'll see something that will pale all the crapola I've done! ;D
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He will go undefeated racing against that pile of shit up there. And I suspect because he's had the easiest schedule since Beach, he might well be able to ship south a couple of times and be great on those days as well. It's not like yesteryear when every race would be contested and long travel was part of the deal.
Sired by an Ontario sire, why would they not clean up all the OSS money they can get?
Do the checks not cash if they don't travel all over?
If he races the North America Cup + Breeders Crown, how would he be ducking anyone or have an "easy schedule"?
Would you want to gut him in overnights if you had him?
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I agree that gambling is a challenge especially when you have to depend on the trainer having their horse ready and the driver or jockey make the right moves during a race.
You can solve this problem by owning horses. This way you see what goes on behind the scenes. It's even tougher trying to make money at the windows too! Owning them for me has cut down my 'gambling addiction'!
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You can solve this problem by owning horses. This way you see what goes on behind the scenes. It's even tougher trying to make money at the windows too! Owning them for me has cut down my 'gambling addiction'!
Well done sir, your multi-win weekend. tmbz1
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Well done sir, your multi-win weekend. tmbz1
You missed the last few weekends! tmbz1
Only 1 price in the last handful of wins!
The test is Sunday at Saratoga--NYSS
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Win as much as they can, take as much off the table as they can, and what else? Have fun, create a legacy, and enjoy the ride. Their job is to maximize their asset at ROR. Not please the fans, race secretaries, or anyone else. I think they have a plan for 12 to 14 starts at most, but of course it has to be day to day just in case. Win as much OSS money as you can. Why not, easier competition, easier races, etc. Point to the big dances and make a stallion. I wouldn't be shocked if they decide to skip the LBJ. Of course Moore can race there. This colt is a big, very big, horse. I say they race him on a half in Canada, but in this US, not guaranteed. At least if they skip the Jug it gives people the ammunition to say he ducked everyone. LOL.
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He is racing in the OSS gold next week.
Skipping the SBSW and taking 2 weeks off before the NA Cup. Those are facts that Doc Moore said in an article I read.
My guess is after that...he will skip the Messenger and race in an OSS gold leg on June 27th. After that hopefully the Pace
Race 7 pp#8 tonight
1/9 m/l
$140,000 purse.. OSS Gold like an atm machine for owners.
Next start will be N A Cup eliminations June 6th.
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Race 7 pp#8 tonight
1/9 m/l
$140,000 purse.. OSS Gold like an atm machine for owners.
Next start will be N A Cup eliminations June 6th.
Track is forecasted to be really wet.
Beau can run.
Can he swim fast too ngc3
blobble bob bobble was alert last night, different driver on some ngc3
Now he can go back to be distracted as he stated and what shows when he drives BJ as he doesn't want to screw up the horse's legacy ngc3
Imbecile! ;D
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Track is forecasted to be really wet.
Beau can run.
Can he swim fast too ngc3
blobble bob bobble was alert last night, different driver on some ngc3
Now he can go back to be distracted as he stated and what shows when he drives BJ as he doesn't want to screw up the horse's legacy ngc3
Imbecile! ;D
It hasn't stopped raining here in almost 24 hours, finally almost done ;D
If you really think that is true, meaning the bobble being distracted by the BJ ngc3
You know what to do, play against him every race, except race #7. ;D
I am still sworn off of Mohawk, until NA Cup finals day June 13th.
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It hasn't stopped raining here in almost 24 hours, finally almost done ;D
If you really think that is true, meaning the bobble being distracted by the BJ ngc3
You know what to do, play against him every race, except race #7. ;D
I am still sworn off of Mohawk, until NA Cup finals day June 13th.
Keep sticking to your guns with that sworn oath. tmbz1
Proud of you! tmbz1
I have enough hypocrisy for the both of us!
My last year, whatever! ngc3
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Any chance Doc Moore scratches him tonight?? Heard it is really cold and wet up there and track is a mess.
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I think he'll do what's right for the horse he's not stupid. Sorry he has to hit a bad track. I look forward to seeing him at his best, i'm sure not rooting against him. Enjoyable to watch great horses and see how their season goes. All the 3 yr old divisions have some pretty nice stock. 2 yr old's coming Should be a ton of great racing this year. Big M will be watchable again.
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The rain's nearly done up there and they've got quite a while to get it in shape. Also - say what you will about Mohawk but it's a pretty nice surface. I see no reason he doesn't go. Moore doesn't really strike me as a coward but he isn't a one-man show on the colt so guess we'll see.
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How fast do yall think that he will pace tonight? I will guess 48:3 under wraps. What say yall???
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How fast do yall think that he will pace tonight? I will guess 48:3 under wraps. What say yall???
Conditions likely to be a factor, I'll give a second on that: 1:49.3.
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It's really stinko here. Lots of breeze and lots of water.
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Beaux Jangles aside [zzzz] that one No Waitlist can flat out get it. He had 3 lengths on em before they
could close the gate AT MOHAWK. 25.4 in the slop. Still held 2nd. Gonna win some $$$ tmbz1
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Beau Jangles, great horse.
Building his career and legacy in Canada.
Super talent!
Especially against horses he beat up a dozen F'ing times ngc3
In typically run Mohawk races, line up, go to sleep for 3/4 of a mile and blast home uncontested.
Because you run against the same old horses you beat up at 2 and now 3.
Let's see Blobble Bob Bobble get cooked in a 53 4/5 half and then come home in 54 then you'll earn all our respect.
Of course not by these over raced, B horses, next week they'll be C horses because some raced their no winning lifetime marks last week, then this week others.
What a joke...that Pepsi cup better be filled with top flight competition otherwise it'll remain a joke! ;D
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Was large again tonight. Beau doesn’t have to go anywhere or race anyone. He’s the best right now and if you want to be the best you have to beat the best. He’s approaching $2 millions. He took them on in the BC and Metro. He’ll be at the NA Cup for anyone who wants to take a shot. Bob is a good driver and doing a great job. He’ll get beat at some point but he’ll also get to the $3 million mark. People will always look for things to complain about
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Was large again tonight. Beau doesn’t have to go anywhere or race anyone. He’s the best right now and if you want to be the best you have to beat the best. He’s approaching $2 millions. He took them on in the BC and Metro. He’ll be at the NA Cup for anyone who wants to take a shot. Bob is a good driver and doing a great job. He’ll get beat at some point but he’ll also get to the $3 million mark. People will always look for things to complain about
Blobble Bob Bobble is a great driver, but he's a bigger crook.
Crooks need to be put in their place and the then put down, for good.
I'm not complaining, I'm a guy with balls surrounded by cowards.
Beau Jangles balls all day I surmise also surrounded by savvy businessmen and cowards.
Plop is full of cowards...
They anonymously attack an animal advocate with balls.
A gambler.
A prolific horse owner with balls.
You put yourself out in the world or here and they want to reign you into the cowardome.
This is pari-mutual racing not the Owners-DocMoore-Bobble-Beaujangles show...if they are going to run no competition staged racing, they can go screw too.
Beau Jangles could break the world record in money and race time, a talented horse, not under the influence it would be amazing.
If that's the case, but the cast of characters that surround us balls are weak ass bitches ngc3
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wtf are you rambling about...again
the topic was about how great a horse beau jangles is
and you twist into a rage about the driver who stiffed you on one of your $.20 pick 3 wagers
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wtf are you rambling about...again
the topic was about how great a horse beau jangles is
and you twist into a rage about the driver who stiffed you on one of your $.20 pick 3 wagers
I don't wager on off tracks, or at least try to stay away.
But of course you would think a conversation above your head is a ramble.
The head of an old fossil, with a brain of oatmeal almost ready for his nap.
When I wager, my wagers and selections are posted, unlike yours because you're afraid of someone pulling the same stunt on you that you do on me.
Do it, doesn't change a thing, you're a cooked coward and a plop professional dummy! ;D
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Looking into Jug eligibles , I'm making a call, that this 'NO WAITING LIST' will be
one to look for, come Sept. Precious Bunny quick. tmbz1
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Looking into Jug eligibles , I'm making a call, that this 'NO WAITING LIST' will be
one to look for, come Sept. Precious Bunny quick. tmbz1
Thanks BT.
I put him in my VS with the note of your tout and prediction.
If all goes as predicted, I'll be singing your praises in a little over 4 months tmbz1
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He beats the same calibre of horses every start in Canada.
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He beats the same calibre of horses every start in Canada.
He is entirely US owned and they appear to be super horse business savvy. Give them some credit for a so far monstrously successful campaign.
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It's unfortunate what is considered racing today. That is not racing. That's is capitulation from the word go. Not saying he wouldn't dust them anyway but that's not my point. Mohawk had 12 dashes last night and they barely handled over 2M, that speaks to their product and in particular their sire stakes, which are always predictable and a hard pass for any gambling. There are simply not enough competitive trainers and drivers up there and the management just doesn't seem to care. As for Beau, he somebeachsomewher e 2.0 a very very nice animal that will go down as making the easiest 3M since the beach. Good for the owners, good for Doc and Bobby but not so good for the game. I can remember going to Blue Bonnets up in Montreal to see the Prix and all the good ones that won in Toronto to see how they lined up with some of ours plus the Fillion clan.
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It's unfortunate what is considered racing today. That is not racing. That's is capitulation from the word go. Not saying he wouldn't dust them anyway but that's not my point. Mohawk had 12 dashes last night and they barely handled over 2M, that speaks to their product and in particular their sire stakes, which are always predictable and a hard pass for any gambling. There are simply not enough competitive trainers and drivers up there and the management just doesn't seem to care. As for Beau, he somebeachsomewher e 2.0 a very very nice animal that will go down as making the easiest 3M since the beach. Good for the owners, good for Doc and Bobby but not so good for the game. I can remember going to Blue Bonnets up in Montreal to see the Prix and all the good ones that won in Toronto to see how they lined up with some of ours plus the Fillion clan.
I knew the the comparisons between SBSW and BJ would start at some point, and there are alot of similarities, but some differences as well...
SBSW had 21 lifetime starts.. 6 outside of Canada. 3 at Meadowlands, 2 at Lexington and 1 at Yonkers. BJ hasn't raced outside of Canada yet. 15 starts already, probably 10-12 more at most by my count...so BJ if he remains sound will have 5 to 7 more starts then SBSW. The only sure thing outside of Canada is the breeders crown. Ownership might coddle his schedule even more to keep the undefeated streak in tact. One similarity is the fact that each horse had/has a driver on him that you wouldn't expect. Macdonell got SBSW defeated by a horrible drive in the Pace. Will McClure aka bobble buckle under the pressure as the undefeated streak goes on. Probably at some point...
Of his possible 10 to 12 remaining races, at least 5 or 6 definitely in Canada 2 for the NACup and 3 to 4 for the OSS legs and finals. We will know BJ's ownerships intentions around the end of June, Meadowlands Pace eliminations are on July 4th. So having said all that, I cannot compare the 2 horses as equals yet, not even close..until BJ comes to the states multiple times and competes against the best. He is just dusting the same horses every week now.
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Looking into Jug eligibles , I'm making a call, that this 'NO WAITING LIST' will be
one to look for, come Sept. Precious Bunny quick. tmbz1
Thanks BT.
I put him in my VS with the note of your tout and prediction.
If all goes as predicted, I'll be singing your praises in a little over 4 months tmbz1
Interesting horse, especially with Macintosh as trainer, he has 18 starts, only 1 win ;D
That win was on an off track like last night
Unfortunately for him..10 or 11 of his starts have had BJ in the race. ngc3
I'd like to see how he'd do in a race or 2 without BJ being in the same race before making any judgments. I will never forget the way Precious Bunny left the gate that day, saw it in person right in front of me at the ripe age of 17. Unfortunately for me, I was pulling for Artsplace that year and he was scratched
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Is there a horse that can outsprint BJ the final quarter coming off a slow middle half like last night? Can't outrun BJ over a mile but can outsprint him coming home if given a half mile breather.
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guys, we shall see
i do not think doc moore will be ducking anybody
also lets not forget that at 2 he raced 2 elims and 2 finals against the best 2 yr olds and won all 4
yes i know they were at mohawk but still
its very difficult to go undefeated, a bad trip , horse gets a little sick etc, lets see what other 3 yr olds step up, mr mamba etc, and a few other nice horses but they will need to be on the improve significantly
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i hope that someone steps up.
I recall Niatross in 1980. He was kind of alone in his greatness.
Every champion benefits from a rival, just like Ali did from Smokin' Joe.
DIdn't WIJI and Always B Miki put on quite a show?
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i hope that someone steps up.
I recall Niatross in 1980. He was kind of alone in his greatness.
Every champion benefits from a rival, just like Ali did from Smokin' Joe.
DIdn't WIJI and Always B Miki put on quite a show?
As older horses yes, Always B Miki was a year older then WIJI
One of my favorite races I ever witnessed in person
https://youtu.be/ZoqbBwyZLzc?si=O3JjXVrkfd9H3PIn
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Interesting horse, especially with Macintosh as trainer, he has 18 starts, only 1 win ;D
That win was on an off track like last night
Unfortunately for him..10 or 11 of his starts have had BJ in the race. ngc3
I'd like to see how he'd do in a race or 2 without BJ being in the same race before making any judgments. I will never forget the way Precious Bunny left the gate that day, saw it in person right in front of me at the ripe age of 17. Unfortunately for me, I was pulling for Artsplace that year and he was scratched
Beach didn't leave canada at 2 and was shut down early after beating up on horatio and deuce seelster so give it a rest. They have the exact same profile with the only diff being the breeders crown was held at mohawk last year and doc too advantge of it. GReat horses travel, real good ones win at home.
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Is there a horse that can outsprint BJ the final quarter coming off a slow middle half like last night? Can't outrun BJ over a mile but can outsprint him coming home if given a half mile breather.
At Springfield Adios Vic was able to out sprint Bret Hanover off a slow three quarters.
Bret was 24 for 24 at two.
A bigger question.
Can the groom of BJ sell more used race shoes then Bret's groom (Dave Willoughby) did?
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At Springfield Adios Vic was able to out sprint Bret Hanover off a slow three quarters.
Bret was 24 for 24 at two.
A bigger question.
Can the groom of BJ sell more used race shoes then Bret's groom (Dave Willoughby) did?
Willoughby left us a year or so ago but there might be some shoes left.
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This is a great pic.... ;D
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ76-ZINkPBCBW1ipACzS2M8zsyIOTUHUJEfg&s)
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Beau Jangles being interviewed... ngc3
https://www.tiktok.com/@u.s._trotting/video/7608942525746793742
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Beau Jangles Breeder's Crown win...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M54ckChPdtM&t=127s
Beau Jangles full sister...
(https://standardbredcanada.ca/sites/default/files/inline-images/BeauJanglesFullSister-Foal-TaraHillsStud-LRG.jpg)
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I had the good fortune to meet Mrs Major Hill. Couldn't ask for a kinder mare. I don't recall her being especially big, either. Maybe comes from the sire line.
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Jury may still be out on BJ. But based upon what I saw the other night...wow! His 2yo year is history, but IMO he was one of the most talented 2yo's I have seen in a very long time. One of the best 2yo's I've seen in a very long time. Teletimers are far too focused on, mostly by people who don't know what they are looking at. For what I am about to say, the teletimer and the time is meaningless. But, that was the most casual, effortless, and easiest 49 and change mile I have seen in a very long time. Perhaps ever. Second start of the year. Horrendous conditions. Boy, that looked like a very casual, and a very "slow" walk, in the park.
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Jury may still be out on BJ.
He's 15 for 15 and made almost $2 million. I'd say he's proved himself already.
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He's 15 for 15 and made almost $2 million. I'd say he's proved himself already.
Oh, I absolutely agree with you. I was more referring to the brainiacs that say he has to leave Canada, he has to stop ducking, he has to go to the LBJ, and so on. He went to the Meto and the BC. All comers had the chance to tangle with him as a 2yo. They did. And look what happened. Right now, he's the top colt in the class, without question.
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Oh, I absolutely agree with you. I was more referring to the brainiacs that say he has to leave Canada, he has to stop ducking, he has to go to the LBJ, and so on. He went to the Meto and the BC. All comers had the chance to tangle with him as a 2yo. They did. And look what happened. Right now, he's the top colt in the class, without question.
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What other athletes only compete on their home turf.
We've seen him on a 5/8 and 3/4 mile.
At least one race on a 1/2 and the BigM Pace would be an enjoyable experience to look forward too, and hopefully see his ability on a one mile track more than once.
I really don't get your "brainiacs" statement.
Sure, horse that travel further distances might be at some more risk of injury too but that's part of the game.
Without us, and our type beau jangles could be pulling a carriage in central F'ing park, or grazing in a field doing nothing, or end up in another animals belly.
I think you need to redirect your hostility.
His people could do whatever the heck they want, we'll watch, this last bs with competition ranging from off odds of 60-199/1 was a gas ngc3