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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Misty meadows on April 11, 2026, 06:32:02 PM
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No show at meadowlands tonight Saturday April 11. His horse vandalism scratched. Is that horse laying on track at gaitway dead ????????
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11.gn
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Wouldn't surprise many at all. The kid has become a Certified BUTCHER!!!
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Maybe he is too depressed to leave his house again
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Scheduled to drive 3 for Burke and one for himself at Harrah's today.
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Mental Midget
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As usual you people are clueless and your hatred for someone clouds reality. Vandalism raced the same day, last Saturday as the 3 year old that died the same day training. So as I always do, I go to the source.
https://www.youtube.com/live/PdLt0KvXO5w?si=HJg8wSZOxoZ4QlLl
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Good job Mike! You know yourself, in life hate blinds people's objectivity when it comes to certain things and people.
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Good job Mike! You know yourself, in life hate blinds people's objectivity when it comes to certain things and people.
tmbz1
As usual you people are clueless and your hatred for someone clouds reality. Vandalism raced the same day, last Saturday as the 3 year old that died the same day training. So as I always do, I go to the source.
https://www.youtube.com/live/PdLt0KvXO5w?si=HJg8wSZOxoZ4QlLl
Awesome Mike! tmbz1
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https://youtube.com/shorts/1s3ZmfAcJc4?si=1TDooWfH0MU_d9_h
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https://youtube.com/shorts/1s3ZmfAcJc4?si=1TDooWfH0MU_d9_h
As promised thanks JOEY tmbz1, excellent follow through Mike, appreciation and gratitude! tmbz1
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Ok but what is the deal with the 3yo who died on the track at gaitway? Isn’t it strange that a 3yo would die from pulmonary embolism? And what about the folks that allegedly saw him mistreating that horse?
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Ok but what is the deal with the 3yo who died on the track at gaitway? Isn’t it strange that a 3yo would die from pulmonary embolism? And what about the folks that allegedly saw him mistreating that horse?
He did what he was supposed to do. Now we wait for full necropsy report. As for these alleged anonymous witnesses. I approached two who said they had no solid evidence and aren't even stabled at the farm. If someone has something to tell that's factual then they need to step up and report it. The real world isn't Horseplop. If he's guilty and you have.the proof, but don't do anything then you're just as guilty as he is. Over a week later and nothing. So as of now he's done nothing wrong.
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He did what he was supposed to do. Now we wait for full necropsy report. As for these alleged anonymous witnesses. I approached two who said they had no solid evidence and aren't even stabled at the farm. If someone has something to tell that's factual then they need to step up and report it. The real world isn't Horseplop. If he's guilty and you have.the proof, but don't do anything then you're just as guilty as he is. Over a week later and nothing. So as of now he's done nothing wrong.
Ignorance you are a sigh of relief amongst this angry mob. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty
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Ignorance you are a sigh of relief amongst this angry mob. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty
Mike gave him the benefit of the doubt to plead his case and he did, and then provided video of the horse who is alive and well.
Was a blatant false speculation and horrible innuendo.
Angry mob ngc3 these fuckers are afraid of their own shadow...hiding.. .Ignorant imbeciles, sure but as Joe B. said everyone gets pissed off in this game for one reason or another, take it with a grain of salt...it's all part of the game! ;D
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haha good one beard
actually given the reputation in harness racing and his family ties it is guilty until proven other wise
not saying it can never happen but odd a young horse would die from that while simply training
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Ok but what is the deal with the 3yo who died on the track at gaitway? Isn’t it strange that a 3yo would die from pulmonary embolism? And what about the folks that allegedly saw him mistreating that horse?
I am not a fan of JB (either of them) but horses absolutely do drop dead due to PE at all ages. I know personally of a weanling, several yearlings, all of which were just standing around in fields eating/growing, and plenty of others of various competition ages (and sports, for that matter). None of my own, thankfully. But it certainly can happen.
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haha good one beard
actually given the reputation in harness racing and his family ties it is guilty until proven other wise
not saying it can never happen but odd a young horse would die from that while simply training
It's a long way until you Trumpopotamus sheep learn that life is complex, and you have to at some point think for yourself...deal with those complexities one at a fucking time, I know a horrible word for a simple mind ngc3
Go get facts!, until then (never ngc3) talk shit, that's your speed ngc3
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trigger don't you have some $.20 pick three wagers you should be betting instead of spewing dribble
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trigger don't you have some $.20 pick three wagers you should be betting instead of spewing dribble
ngc3
Not dribble, it's drivel...maybe before you're 90, you'll get something right...close your eyes and aim anywhere ngc3
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Joe is a very talented driver. His stats speak for themselves. I would use him over many if not all of the so called top guys, always tries to give his drives a chance. Aggressive, yea, isn’t this horse racing?
Barn does well also. How could he have so many head in his care year after year unless his efforts are paying dividends.
What’s with those that want to see this young man fail so bad?
I don’t get it. Give him a brake..
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talented driver ??
you must be kidding
he almost killed 2 or 3 horses and same number of drivers a few years back at the meadowlands with his cowboy routine
trigger post the video please
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Ignorance you are a sigh of relief amongst this angry mob. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty
This wasn't even that. I learned my lesson a few years ago to seek fact before reacting. Now I just go to the source. So far I've seen a video of him not beating the horse as reported by others who weren't even there. Then say the horse he scratched on Saturday was the horse that died the Saturday before. Same horse who raced that same Saturday night! But they said trained three trips.that afternoon. ngc3 And then apparently he dropped a dead horse in the box to scratch it. These people are INSANE. Even Crazy Eddie would say damn, they're insane. ngc3
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This wasn't even that. I learned my lesson a few years ago to seek fact before reacting. Now I just go to the source. So far I've seen a video of him not beating the horse as reported by others who weren't even there. Then say the horse he scratched on Saturday was the horse that died the Saturday before. Same horse who raced that same Saturday night! But they said trained three trips.that afternoon. ngc3 And then apparently he dropped a dead horse in the box to scratch it. These people are INSANE. Even Crazy Eddie would say damn, they're insane. ngc3
Blast from the past ngc3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_5nSZyA_aE
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Joe takes alot of heat because his dad screwed alot of people out of alot of money 💰. Joe’s had alot of success , he should be judged on his actions not somebody else’s
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Joe takes alot of heat because his dad screwed alot of people out of alot of money 💰. Joe’s had alot of success , he should be judged on his actions not somebody else’s
The father is in the paddock, in colors, all time time with "Joe's trainees"
If joe wants ro be judged differently, maybe he should tell the dad to stay home?
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you are correct pocket
lets not forget when the sister was a "trainer"
rock solid family, not
another example of how pathetic the industry is at policing itself and protecting the gamblers and horses
chris oakes is another example
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you are correct pocket
lets not forget when the sister was a "trainer"
rock solid family, not
another example of how pathetic the industry is at policing itself and protecting the gamblers and horses
chris oakes is another example
So why isn't anyone marching up to Settlelmoir and asking why Gural and Cote allow it? Like the guy who Jeff said wouldn't be allowed to race at his tracks after December 31st if he didn't get his suspension "reversed" by then? How's that working out and didn't Jeff even contact the NJRC to have his days lowered to 90? Good luck.
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So why isn't anyone marching up to Settlelmoir and asking why Gural and Cote allow it? Like the guy who Jeff said wouldn't be allowed to race at his tracks after December 31st if he didn't get his suspension "reversed" by then? How's that working out and didn't Jeff even contact the NJRC to have his days lowered to 90? Good luck.
To be fair, I think everyone has learned at this point that cote gural and settlemoir do whatever they want you get very far by questions those questions.
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Judge Joe on his and only his performance and worthiness as a human being. He’s not his father nor should he be judged by his father’s reputation. Same with sister, I’m sure she did most of the bookkeeping, entering of stock etc. why does she have to be in the sulky everyday? 99% of flats trainers wouldn’t know how to sit on a horse no less ride one.
As far as father in the paddock, would any of you tell your dads that they are not welcome to help you at or to be seen with you, give me a break pls. It’s his dad and I’m sure he never meant to hurt his family, others but not his family. Family is the reason that most men take risks or make poor decisions because we try to give our kids and wives the best life possible.
Give Joe a break, he is too often judged unfairly.
Joe if you read this forum, go get em young man. Don’t let the haters win.
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Joe is a very talented driver. His stats speak for themselves. I would use him over many if not all of the so called top guys, always tries to give his drives a chance. Aggressive, yea, isn’t this horse racing?
Barn does well also. How could he have so many head in his care year after year unless his efforts are paying dividends.
What’s with those that want to see this young man fail so bad?
I don’t get it. Give him a brake..
ngc3
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Judge Joe on his and only his performance and worthiness as a human being. He’s not his father nor should he be judged by his father’s reputation. Same with sister, I’m sure she did most of the bookkeeping, entering of stock etc. why does she have to be in the sulky everyday? 99% of flats trainers wouldn’t know how to sit on a horse no less ride one.
As far as father in the paddock, would any of you tell your dads that they are not welcome to help you at or to be seen with you, give me a break pls. It’s his dad and I’m sure he never meant to hurt his family, others but not his family. Family is the reason that most men take risks or make poor decisions because we try to give our kids and wives the best life possible.
Give Joe a break, he is too often judged unfairly.
Joe if you read this forum, go get em young man. Don’t let the haters win.
To be clear here on what you want.
You are asking for joe to be judged isolated and separate from the father and to pretend that the father isn't involved with the stable when he is in your face ecery day?
Thats a big ask
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The father is in the paddock, in colors, all time time with "Joe's trainees"
If joe wants ro be judged differently, maybe he should tell the dad to stay home?
tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
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To be clear here on what you want.
You are asking for joe to be judged isolated and separate from the father and to pretend that the father isn't involved with the stable when he is in your face ecery day?
Thats a big ask
100 % correct
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It’s Joe’s name as trainer so that makes his father an employee or a someone working for the trainer right? Why is the father perceived as the guy running things as you are making it out to seem. He’s helping his kid and if he’s a partner in some way so be it. The horses are joes responsibility at the end of the day.
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One thing’s for sure , you could probably fill up Madison Square Garden with all the Bongiorno hater’s. Maybe even Giant’s Stadium
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It’s Joe’s name as trainer so that makes his father an employee or a someone working for the trainer right? Why is the father perceived as the guy running things as you are making it out to seem. He’s helping his kid and if he’s a partner in some way so be it. The horses are joes responsibility at the end of the day.
joes name is the official trainer of record. We get that. We also get the father's very long and documented issues.
What you are talking about is perception. as long as the father is publicly involved by being present with colors on in the paddock, there is no way in this lifetime you are going to get the industry to begin to separate the father and son
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If his father wasn’t licensed he for sure wouldn’t be in the paddock.
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Would not let him near my horse
no training and no driving
plenty of other good people without associating with that clan
who and why was the sister bearding for when down as trainer
please answer the question
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Jomkers race 1 today...
8 Be Dazzled Lou A Joe Bongiorno $64.12 $20.84 $13.60
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You only have one father , why should Joe kick his father to the curb because a bunch of clowns on Horseplop want him to.
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Because his father is a scumbag who screwed dozens of people including his kids and his daughter's boyfriend.
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Because his father is a scumbag who screwed dozens of people including his kids and his daughter's boyfriend.
You only have one father , why should Joe kick his father to the curb because a bunch of clowns on Horseplop want him to.
Going to have to side with Cashout, 2-1. tmbz1
You can't choose your family.
A person should be respected for objectively hearing all sides and forming their own opinions and be judged on their life and efforts in their profession.
His father though is fair fucking game ngc3
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Completely agree you can't choose your family. You can however cut ties with them if warranted. The dad put the entire family in harm's way due to his greed. The article said a guy tried to choke out Joey because of his dad's actions. That should've been the last straw.
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Completely agree you can't choose your family. You can however cut ties with them if warranted. The dad put the entire family in harm's way due to his greed. The article said a guy tried to choke out Joey because of his dad's actions. That should've been the last straw.
What I find interesting is he's (son) a very prolific figure in harness racing, at times controversial, very successful...the father is involved. Why? Are there top secret happenings where you need immoral loyalists or is it, there are no behind the scene nefarious happenings and antics and he's experienced, capable and my dad.
Lastly are we deserved explanations?
We all appreciate Joe cleared the air with Mike for all of us to hear. It went well. I cannot see that interview getting blow back, and it garnered praise.
If we're gong to perpetually be here at a reasonable harness racing soap opera / racing stalemate...Maybe Papa Bongiorno wants to step up to the plate and clear the air is the question we should be asking? ;D
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Joe is a very talented driver. His stats speak for themselves. I would use him over many if not all of the so called top guys, always tries to give his drives a chance. Aggressive, yea, isn’t this horse racing?
Barn does well also. How could he have so many head in his care year after year unless his efforts are paying dividends.
What’s with those that want to see this young man fail so bad?
I don’t get it. Give him a brake..
There are loads of jealous haters on here that want to see everyone fail. tmbz1
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These two schmucks...what would PLOP be without advocates for the least likely to have advocates. Pray for a bragging scumhole. You can't make this shit up ngc3
Don't IGGY, don't band, enjoy the craziest show on earth! ngc3
Every fucking day insanity and mental illness on full display! ngc3
For our viewing and engaging pleasure! tmbz1
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If we're gong to perpetually be here at a reasonable harness racing soap opera / racing stalemate...Maybe Papa Bongiorno wants to step up to the plate and clear the air is the question we should be asking? ;D
No chance that will ever happen. Guy owes people millions and if Joe's operation was really on the up and up, he would want his father nowhere near it!
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No chance that will ever happen. Guy owes people millions and if Joe's operation was really on the up and up, he would want his father nowhere near it!
Joe B. showed up, we'll see what Mike advises.
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oh i get it now
since the guy came on a podcast he is absolved of any possible wrong doing
did mike think he was going to come on and say anything to incriminate himself
fact is a horse died, i assume mike will publish the autopsy report and that will or will not clear joe of any wrong doing as much as an autopsy can do that
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oh i get it now
since the guy came on a podcast he is absolved of any possible wrong doing
did mike think he was going to come on and say anything to incriminate himself
fact is a horse died, i assume mike will publish the autopsy report and that will or will not clear joe of any wrong doing as much as an autopsy can do that
You think for me now? Right here he was accused of killing the horse named Vandalism. Well, Vandalism raced the same night he reported the death of the three year old he's being accused of killing. And so far nobody has provided proof to substantiate that. Last week he sent me all the information regarding the horse that actually died. You assume? In his words he said he will provide me the necropsy. Don't fucking assume anything about me, I let him speak for himself. What I think is my business. What we know is what can be proven. That goes for everyone. Why don't you come on tonight as yourself and tell everyone how you feel, you're more than welcome.
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This death rooting has been going on for years against the Bongiorno’s, the more success the stable has the more the death rooters start chiming in. Joe’s a young guy who knows how to train and drive a horse, he’ll be giving the death rooters agita for a very long time.
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And as far as Jennifer is concerned, when she worked there she worked extremely hard. Entries ,book work ,claims ,schedule’s ,dealing with owners and plenty of other duties. Her brother and the other assistant trainers went the trips with the horses, I don’t know of any rules that system broke. And Horseplop rules don’t count
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He actually can generally drive pretty heads-up in terms of setting up a trip, IMO. But I've said it before and I'll say it again: he contributed to the death of a horse on the track with his incessant, ineffective beating on a done horse. That's not how you drive - or treat - horses.
Watch the really talented (and successful) drivers and report back on who is leaping around in the sulky like a marionette in the stretch.
He may be an excellent horseman, but I find it pretty hard to believe, given the above.
All that said - just because a horse had a pulmonary event and died on the track doesn't mean he had anything to do with that.
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seriously cashout
you cant think of any rules that were broken when she was an admin assistant but was down as the trainer and never sat behind a horse
therein lies the problem
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seriously cashout
you cant think of any rules that were broken when she was an admin assistant but was down as the trainer and never sat behind a horse
therein lies the problem
The whole family is Trumpopotamus, that should give YOU some relief ngc3
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He has to succeed- 25% of his take is going right to a couple of guys who his dad wronged & ripped off.
Once more $ is recouped, I can see Sr. laying real low. He knows they want $ back right now
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And as far as Jennifer is concerned, when she worked there she worked extremely hard. Entries ,book work ,claims ,schedule’s ,dealing with owners and plenty of other duties. Her brother and the other assistant trainers went the trips with the horses, I don’t know of any rules that system broke. And Horseplop rules don’t count
They sent the bookkeeper in to meet Jerr Gural and his regime to reverse the ban for purchasing prohibited banned perfromance enahncers and it worked like a charm.
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Love, loyalty, support, and whatever else, for your dad-----I get that. I expect that.
But, if you then ask the public, take your plea public, ask people in and out of the business, to NOT judge you, associate you with your dad, or consider anything your dad did because it has nothing to do with you.....no, sorry, that doesn't work.....not when your dad is in the paddock, at the barn, meets with your owners, and is involved in your business. Whether it's official or not, formal or not, whatever, your dad is working for and/or with you. No, doesn't work for me.
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Love, loyalty, support, and whatever else, for your dad-----I get that. I expect that.
But, if you then ask the public, take your plea public, ask people in and out of the business, to NOT judge you, associate you with your dad, or consider anything your dad did because it has nothing to do with you.....no, sorry, that doesn't work.....not when your dad is in the paddock, at the barn, meets with your owners, and is involved in your business. Whether it's official or not, formal or not, whatever, your dad is working for and/or with you. No, doesn't work for me.
So why don't you interview him Andy? And publish it.
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Love, loyalty, support, and whatever else, for your dad-----I get that. I expect that.
But, if you then ask the public, take your plea public, ask people in and out of the business, to NOT judge you, associate you with your dad, or consider anything your dad did because it has nothing to do with you.....no, sorry, that doesn't work.....not when your dad is in the paddock, at the barn, meets with your owners, and is involved in your business. Whether it's official or not, formal or not, whatever, your dad is working for and/or with you. No, doesn't work for me.
Your opinion other than what has been red out coincides with just about everyone.
You're a journalist ngc3
You are delusional. ngc3
He'll love his dad period and involve him as he sees fit. ngc3
He don't give a shit what you think about him. ngc3
Guy cleared the air on a bunch of speculation, innuendo, lies, rush to judgment here and whatever is in the air...."asking the public" - you are a creepy dude! ;D
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So curious. I’ve been reading these people’s blogs. You claimed vandalism for 10,000 somebody here said he was dead. So what’s his story hasn’t raced since April 4 ???????