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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Way to go on July 15, 2025, 06:01:47 PM
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Just another product of EPO, Growth hormones and the TRUNK DOCTOR........PAT TERN OF TEAGUE Stable ......Stallions retired after being WORLD CHAMPIONS.that cannot produce anything but 10 claimers
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Talking about LATHER UP.......
Other duds are SOUTHWIND LYNX,TOTAL TRUTH, BADLANDS NITRO......good thing Ernie Martinez made his money upfront on Lather Up deal
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Mistake.....secon d fastest......
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Not a great pedigree.
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If speed is artificially produced by drugs....how is the horse supposed to be successful as a stallion........g ive necessary medications as part of the breeding program....LOL
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First foals hit the track in 2021
By 2025, he had 255 registered foals, with 145 starters and $4.6 million in earnings
Nearly 72% of his first crop raced as 2-year-olds in North America
His son Coba Charged won a 2-year-old trial in New Zealand, signaling international success.
His pedigree allows for wide compatibility with mares from various sire lines, including:
Artsplace
Western Hanover
Cam Fella
Albatross
Abercrombie
Why Breeders Love Him
Exceptional speed and durability
Versatile pedigree for crossbreeding
Proven ability to sire early-developing, competitive offspring
Strong market appeal in yearling sales
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I wouldn’t say he is a top sire, but far from a dud. Several decent ones out there.
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I wouldn’t say he is a top sire, but far from a dud. Several decent ones out there.
Correct hes far from the racing and sire Lazarus. The horse was hyped as the greatest ever and his racing in the USA was terrible and sire even worse. IMO
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Correct hes far from the racing and sire Lazarus. The horse was hyped as the greatest ever and his racing in the USA was terrible and sire even worse. IMO
Lazarus was a nice horse but he was a Bettors Delight. None of the Bettors Delights turned into decent sires....Tall Dark Stranger being the most recent of many.
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What about Bettor's Wish?
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bettors wish doing decent considering the idiots that run his syndicate
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speed doesn’t mean that much
Sebastian K was the first trotter to break 1:50.0 and was an abysmal sire
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Good horses come from anywhere
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that is true
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Good horses come from anywhere
" They are all bred well enough to be champions and poor enough to be fox feed"
Hall Of Famer Don Busse
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Every one is missing the point.....when one specific trainer has mass produced WORLD CHAMPIONS.....and none of them ......none....can be a decent stud
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None of those horses of Teague’s were bred real well - all kind of off breeding. Lather Up also has had to compete with DownByTheSeaSide in Ohio so not like he was going to top tier mares.
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None of those horses of Teague’s were bred real well - all kind of off breeding. Lather Up also has had to compete with DownByTheSeaSide in Ohio so not like he was going to top tier mares.
Exactly. Keep in mind, also, Teague did not spend big money on horses. Most were gelded. Several homebreds with recognizable bloodlines but not fashionable. Rainbow Blue went on to be quite a nice broodmare.
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SOMEWHEREOVERARAI NBOW
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of course none of Teague's horses turned out to be great sires
George is cheap and wont pay big money for fancy bloodlines
no one expected any of them to be good sires
duh
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And the genius that he is ......George bred every mare he had to all of these dud stallions and there goes the business model of success.....still has over 25 mares....omg
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when it comes to DUDS AT STUD, that title belongs to NIGHT PRO. Hasn't sired anything a racehorse trainer would be interested in.
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No one can be surprised by Night Pro being a complete failure as a sire!
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Does Geo Teague still have horses with Geo Forman the boxer?
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Not for 15 years and FOREMAN is deceased
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The greatest thoroughbred Secretariat was a dud at stud also. It happens. And doubt he was on banned substances.
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when it comes to DUDS AT STUD, that title belongs to NIGHT PRO.
I always heard the biggest dud at stud was Dwayne from Ohio.
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of course none of Teague's horses turned out to be great sires
George is cheap and wont pay big money for fancy bloodlines
no one expected any of them to be good sires
duh
George is FRUGAL but not cheap….. If he hits on a good one great but if not he lives his life. Little or no pressure.
Some trainers, drivers and owners don’t want to run with the big dogs.
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The greatest thoroughbred Secretariat was a dud at stud also. It happens. And doubt he was on banned substances.
Here are some of Secretariat's most accomplished winners:
Lady's Secret : Perhaps Secretariat's most successful offspring, Lady's Secret was a champion filly who won multiple graded stakes races, including the Breeders' Cup Distaff. She was also named Horse of the Year and Champion Older Mare in 1987, and was inducted into the U.S. Racing Hall of Fame in 1992.
Risen Star : He won the Preakness Stakes and Belmont Stakes in 1988 and was named champion three-year-old male. Many believe he could have also won the Kentucky Derby if he hadn't been taken so wide during the race.
Kingston Rule : This Australian-bred son of Secretariat holds the record for the Melbourne Cup, one of Australia's most prestigious races.
General Assembly : Won several graded stakes races, including the G1 Travers, where he set a track record.
Tinners Way : A versatile runner who won the Pacific Classic twice and competed successfully in both Europe and the U.S.
Pancho Villa : Won several G2 races and set a track record at Hollywood Park.
Terlingua : Won multiple stakes races and is best known as the dam of the highly influential sire Storm Cat.
Weekend Surprise : A graded stakes winner, she is most notable as the dam of four graded stakes winners, including Preakness winner Summer Squall and Hall of Fame inductee A.P. Indy.
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Here are some of Secretariat's most accomplished winners:
Lady's Secret : Perhaps Secretariat's most successful offspring, Lady's Secret was a champion filly who won multiple graded stakes races, including the Breeders' Cup Distaff. She was also named Horse of the Year and Champion Older Mare in 1987, and was inducted into the U.S. Racing Hall of Fame in 1992.
Risen Star : He won the Preakness Stakes and Belmont Stakes in 1988 and was named champion three-year-old male. Many believe he could have also won the Kentucky Derby if he hadn't been taken so wide during the race.
Kingston Rule : This Australian-bred son of Secretariat holds the record for the Melbourne Cup, one of Australia's most prestigious races.
General Assembly : Won several graded stakes races, including the G1 Travers, where he set a track record.
Tinners Way : A versatile runner who won the Pacific Classic twice and competed successfully in both Europe and the U.S.
Pancho Villa : Won several G2 races and set a track record at Hollywood Park.
Terlingua : Won multiple stakes races and is best known as the dam of the highly influential sire Storm Cat.
Weekend Surprise : A graded stakes winner, she is most notable as the dam of four graded stakes winners, including Preakness winner Summer Squall and Hall of Fame inductee A.P. Indy.
None of Secretariat's offspring achieved the same level of success or iconic status as he did on the track. Limited Direct Progeny Success: He had a few successes but was widely considered disappointing. A better broodmare sire than racehorse sire.
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You expect the greatest of all time to sire equals (or superiors)??? You probably should take a statistics course. (As should all handicappers!)