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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: ferdinand the bull on May 01, 2024, 12:41:11 PM
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Past and present
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Mike LaChance
Tony Morgan
Aaron Merriman
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Lachance
Moiseyev
Brennan
Parker
Morrill
Jim King
Rene Poulin
not necessarly in that order
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Herve, Carmine, Buddy, Norman, Mike, Ed L, Frank, Eddie C, these guys took millions out of the windows.
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Not as much to make today compared to the good old days of years ago. Pools much smaller. Is the risk/reward worth it today?
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merriman will bet on slots and pigeons but im not sure about horses he drives. or races he is in.
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E Deaton
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Herve, Carmine, Buddy, Norman, Mike, Ed L, Frank, Eddie C, these guys took millions out of the windows.
Ed L for sure
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Aaron Merriman
Keith Krash
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Del Miller, John Simpson Sr., Frank Safford, Eddie Cobb and Harold Story
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PETE THE CHEAT WRENN 73cv.2 ngc3
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jimmy p
todd jones
eddie hysell
dave hawk
all got kicked out of northfield where they let anyone race.
what did hysell and jones do after that. it was like they were gone forever.
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Herve and Henri Filion. Cat Manzi. Rene Poulin. John Gilmour. Mike LaChance.
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Herve Filion Rene Putin
I just realized they're both French Canadians there as low as a African.
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None of them
They are all cheap
They get others to bet for them.
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None of them
They are all cheap
They get others to bet for them.
But whose $$$ is it at the window? I'm sure the "mule" [carrier] invests a little of his/her own money too to make a score too!
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In Chicago dave Magee used to have people bet for him all of the time. He had people fooled for years. He’d tank one too
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Benny Webster and Frank Popfinger
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Betwith
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On the races;
LeWayne Miller
Brandon Bates
Wilfong
Dan Noble
Joe Putnam
Mettias Mellander
Tyler Jones
Jack Killean
Austin Sorrie
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Del Miller, John Simpson Sr., Frank Safford, Eddie Cobb and Harold Story
I think you are right on the money, except for for Del. His farm was adjacent to ours. He drove several of our younger horses at the Red Mile that were for sale. Therefor, I reserve comment. I think Gilster and Webmore might fit nicely. Great choices.
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On the races;
LeWayne Miller
Brandon Bates
Wilfong
Dan Noble
Joe Putnam
Mettias Mellander
Tyler Jones
Jack Killean
Austin Sorrie
Tyler Jones and Sorrie don't drive enough power to gamble they'd be the last 2 at Mohawk
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Richie Wojcio
Donald Dancer
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On the races;
LeWayne Miller
Brandon Bates
Wilfong
Dan Noble
Joe Putnam
Mettias Mellander
Tyler Jones
Jack Killean
Austin Sorrie
How many races does Killean win a year??
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Back in the ' OLD' Scioto days. Lloyd Dillon, Terry Holton, Chet Dewbre [not sure on spelling]
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Holland used to have people bet for him when scoring in illinois.
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Holland used to have people bet for him when scoring in illinois.
Same thing at Yonkers today??
Asking for a friend!!
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Del definitely bet when he was at Yonkers and Roosevelt
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I am guessing that -- all this comes from, one, a driver who got caught, so people say he's the biggest gambler. Two, it comes from the constant "friend of friend" who bets for said driver. Three, it comes from rumor and innuendo. That said, here's my take -- one, the biggest never get caught, until they do, and being we haven't heard about it, it hasn't happened. Mike Lachance's border incident is nothing more than everyone jumping to the conclusion that is was betting/winnings. But every time the story is told he had another $20k in cash on him. The Pan Am Sam story, same, although the horse did get sold for a lot of money and there was cash involved in the deal. Two, anyone who best for a driver, doesn't say peep because they know better. Lastly, rumor and $5 gets you a coffee, a donut and more BS than you can handle at Dunkin Donuts.
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Not sure about Holland betting at yonkers....Maywoo d and Balmoral for sure
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I am guessing that -- all this comes from, one, a driver who got caught, so people say he's the biggest gambler. Two, it comes from the constant "friend of friend" who bets for said driver. Three, it comes from rumor and innuendo. That said, here's my take -- one, the biggest never get caught, until they do, and being we haven't heard about it, it hasn't happened. Mike Lachance's border incident is nothing more than everyone jumping to the conclusion that is was betting/winnings. But every time the story is told he had another $20k in cash on him. The Pan Am Sam story, same, although the horse did get sold for a lot of money and there was cash involved in the deal. Two, anyone who best for a driver, doesn't say peep because they know better. Lastly, rumor and $5 gets you a coffee, a donut and more BS than you can handle at Dunkin Donuts.
Exactly how much cash did Lachance try to smuggle over the border?--How was this resolved?
Thanks for the memory of Pan Am Sam--i would go to Garden St Park and watch the simulcast from M1--Sam was one of my faves back in those days. This was before ADWs and national simulcasting--mid 80s i would say.
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Wendell Donaway
George Dennis
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People who say the cash Lachance had was from betting no nothing about the game at the level he was playing. Back then it was nothing for an owner to give a top driver 10-20k in cash to commit to their horse for the season
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People who say the cash Lachance had was from betting no nothing about the game at the level he was playing. Back then it was nothing for an owner to give a top driver 10-20k in cash to commit to their horse for the season
i heard it was much much more than that and it was from gambling/race track profits--but i really dont have anything but rumors from over the decades
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i heard it was much much more than that and it was from gambling/race track profits--but i really dont have anything but rumors from over the decades
Usually some truth to those rumors
Lots of talk about McClure and Roy cashing big and McNair every hi5 mandatory payout. All good enough drivers to manipulate the outcome of a race
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I've found that with PLOP Bull. Often ahead on the scoop .Sure there's a fair amount of BS you have to cut thru,
but where there's smoke, there's fire most times. ;D
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Mike Gagliardi
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Usually some truth to those rumors
Lots of talk about McClure and Roy cashing big and McNair every hi5 mandatory payout. All good enough drivers to manipulate the outcome of a race
i heard Jody is the one constructing the race when they have a pentafecta carryover
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i heard Jody is the one constructing the race when they have a pentafecta carryover
I don't think he's the ring leader anymore
McClure and Roy
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Mike Gagliardi
Mike was a great guy he died of cancer years ago, how you could even bring his name up is beyond me. The best horseman ever met you classless piece of shit.
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Mike Gagliardi
I had a trotter at the Meadowlands (pretty good sort) who was in over his head. Benny Webster normally drove him for me, but Benny decided to head South (to Atlantic City) and so Mike drove the horse. He was buried on the inside, but he slowly inched up along the rail as more horses moved to the outer flow. He found a seam and won by a nose. The tote board lit up at 45-1. When I went out to get my pic taken Mike asked how I made out. When I told him I didn't have a dime bet he looked at me like I had three heads!!
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Benny Webster and Frank Popfinger
Benny bet a lot more at the tables in AC and Vegas than he did at the track. He had a lot of hangers-on who bet their own money and gave Benny a piece if they made out.
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i heard it was much much more than that and it was from gambling/race track profits--but i really dont have anything but rumors from over the decades
I heard it was 100k. But remember there are 8 divisions when it comes to stake racing
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Mike was a great guy he died of cancer years ago, how you could even bring his name up is beyond me. The best horseman ever met you classless piece of shit.
Selective memory. Yes, the man died of cancer and yes a dam good horsemen but, had larceny in his heart.
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A lot of the drivers were great persons and great horsemen, but they had larceny in their hearts.
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Exactly how much cash did Lachance try to smuggle over the border?--How was this resolved?
Thanks for the memory of Pan Am Sam--i would go to Garden St Park and watch the simulcast from M1--Sam was one of my faves back in those days. This was before ADWs and national simulcasting--mid 80s i would say.
Q1: Don't know.
Q2: Don't know.
Pan An Sam was a nice horse, who unfortunately got to be well known because of that infamous race at Yonkers. The horse was for sale and was sold shortly after the race where seven drivers -- Jay Randall, Rene Poulin, Jim Marohn, Bill Bresnahan, Joe Marsh Jr., Mike Lachance, and of course, Henri Fillion -- were suspended. The triple came back very low and about 100 grand in tickets were cashed at various OTB's throughout NYC and LI.
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Q1: Don't know.
Q2: Don't know.
Pan An Sam was a nice horse, who unfortunately got to be well known because of that infamous race at Yonkers. The horse was for sale and was sold shortly after the race where seven drivers -- Jay Randall, Rene Poulin, Jim Marohn, Bill Bresnahan, Joe Marsh Jr., Mike Lachance, and of course, Henri Fillion -- were suspended. The triple came back very low and about 100 grand in tickets were cashed at various OTB's throughout NYC and LI.
thanks--did not know that
those days-they only had trifectas on a few races a card-unlike today of course
also the pools were much much bigger
Poulin, Filion, Lachance, Bresnahan were known race fixers even back then
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Uhhh, Anthony Morgan, Herve all time of course. Lachance would cash some nice tickets. He got caught coming back into US from Canada with a briefcase with $95k in it...too funny.
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Uhhh, Anthony Morgan, Herve all time of course. Lachance would cash some nice tickets. He got caught coming back into US from Canada with a briefcase with $95k in it...too funny.
I’m pretty sure it was going home to Canada not coming back to US. Would have had to explain where the cash came from. If they didn’t believe him he would have forfeited the cash and been refused entry. If they believed him he would have had to pay a fine for failing to declare over $10k.
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Uhhh, Anthony Morgan, Herve all time of course. Lachance would cash some nice tickets. He got caught coming back into US from Canada with a briefcase with $95k in it...too funny.
No offense, respectively, and not sure if you know about this personally or simply heard ---- however the charges brought against Lachance were not for getting caught coming back into the US, and he did not have $95,000. I am instigating or being combative, however, perhaps you know about an incident that nobody else does, wasn't published, or something of the like.
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Luckily now they just bet with sports bet or hpi just be smart enough not to use their own account
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No offense, respectively, and not sure if you know about this personally or simply heard ---- however the charges brought against Lachance were not for getting caught coming back into the US, and he did not have $95,000. I am not instigating or being combative, however, perhaps you know about an incident that nobody else does, wasn't published, or something of the like.
Sorry, typo. Just to clarify. The incident, which is public information, had to do with him leaving the US, going to Canada, by plane/at the airport, where he was questioned about cash he had with him at the time, and he was apparently given the opportunity to not bring the cash, and upon his second attempt to board the plane, he was questioned about the cash, what he did with it, where it was, etc. It was confiscated by the authorities in a parked car he allegedly used to get to the airport. You can find all this using google.
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Herve was gambling on dice big time at the Atlantic City Casino’s and on horses. Stephane Bouchard had absolutely no shame in ripping a horse. The Brennan, Morrill Jr, and Howard Parker show was absolutely brutal at freehold on Saturday afternoons in the late 80s early nineties. Jacky Mo was a degenerate back then. Donald Dancer who had one of the greatest last names in the history of harness racing was relegated to driving garbage claimers at the end of his cheating career. Rene Poulin would not try on a horse for several months and then rob the entire tri and exacter pool at Yonkers. Peter Wrenn was asked to not come back to the meadowlands after he robbed the early double years ago with a Rodney Lorenzo trained horse from Pompano. I could type for hours about the race fixing at Yonkers back when I was a silent/part owner of horses back in the late 80s early 90s. I had a horse in at Yonkers when they used to have double headers. I think it was Monday or Tuesday back in the day when they raced at noontime and then again at like 6:30. My horse was in raging form and was going to be an easy winner. My trainer tells me. We can’t win today. Ray Schnittker paid my driver $1500 cash to sit second and don’t try to pass him to win. So I bet a exacter just one way. With my horse second. Herve shot for 3rd. $6.00 exacter and a $8.20 tri payoff. Those were the good ol days. Today’s modern era? I believe just about all drivers bet at Mohawk and Northfield.
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Mrpick5 everything you said is true. Schnittker paid a lot of drivers to stay out of the way.
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Mrpick5 everything you said is true. Schnittker paid a lot of drivers to stay out of the way.
I forgot to also mention. LaChance was brutal at the Meadowlands in the cheap overnight races when his nephew Luc Toilet was in the race. So many times he drove to get his nephew home. But Ray paying off drivers in the Yonkers paddock was classic. George Anthony robbed a race one night at Yonkers. And left his bag of like $20,000 cash on top of a harness bag. He calls my trainer up and asks. Where’s my cut of the race we did business on? My trainer says. I left it on top of your harness bag in your barn next to the feed buckets. Anthony says hold on. A minute later he says. Ok I found it. It was crazy back then. Even Yannick when he first came to Yonkers. Omg. The lineup numbers they would bet were nuts.
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Luc Toilet
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When did Yannick drive at yonkers...4 Years back?
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100k tickets cashed over Leo bauer race...triple pools now avg 7k a race. Karma got henri filion as he died young.
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Benny Webster and Frank Popfinger
Poppy drove for me. You got that one right.
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When did Yannick drive at yonkers...4 Years back?
Yannick drove only at Yonkers when he first came to America over 20 years ago. You seriously didn’t know that?
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100k tickets cashed over Leo bauer race...triple pools now avg 7k a race. Karma got henri filion as he died young.
Same with Wrenn years ago. He was in the second race on a Friday or Saturday night. They robbed the double pool and tri pool. Over $100,000 score. Or how about the Saturday afternoon at freehold back in the 90s. When Brennan, Morrill Jr, and Howard Parker all went dead in a race. Howard’s driver got caught cashing tickets.
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How old they rob double n exactly pool for 100k..
Pools are less then that
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Ellyt Deaton
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How old they rob double n exactly pool for 100k..
Pools are less then that
EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS EXAGERRATED ON PLOP. AINT NO WAY ANYONE COULD MAKE 100K OFF A DAILY DOUBLE POOL TODAY
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EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS EXAGERRATED ON PLOP. AINT NO WAY ANYONE COULD MAKE 100K OFF A DAILY DOUBLE POOL TODAY
i believe he was referring to a daily double pool from 35-40 years ago
we all know the pools arent close to that anymore
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Richie Wojcio
Donald Dancer
Sam R and Old Guy, you are right on the money. The sixties were right in my wheel house. Eddie Cobb drove a couple for me. Actually, Cobb had Maida Million for the Ivanhoe Stables in N.Y. She could win on command. Late sixties, early 70's. Cobb ended up at Hollywood driving for the Nev-Cal stables after being booted from Yonkers-Roosevelt. One night at Hollywood, she was in with the likes of Adios Vic, maybe the greatest closer of the day. I didn't believe it was possible for Vic to lose so I made a good sized bet on Vic, and the real late money came in on Maida. At the top of the stretch, Vic was second over, with Cobb right behind him. I thought that one was over and it was. Cobb was five wide in the stretch and beat Vic by a length. Well maybe Cobb scored big, however he had to Maida up for what she was. That was the end of getting 5-6 to one on Maida Million. :P
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When Cobb won at Yonkers and Roosevelt he won on his own because the rest of the drivers wouldn't work with him. He was a good guy.
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When Cobb won at Yonkers and Roosevelt he won on his own because the rest of the drivers wouldn't work with him. He was a good guy.
Cobb didn't need help. He knew when his horses were the best. As I said he drove a few for me.
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Cobb didn't need help. He knew when his horses were the best. As I said he drove a few for me.
He did a remarkable job with Genghis Khan
memorable battles with Beatcha at the M1 is what was then called The World Cup
i was at freehold when he time trialed and broke stride under heavy urging
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He did a remarkable job with Genghis Khan
memorable battles with Beatcha at the M1 is what was then called The World Cup
i was at freehold when he time trialed and broke stride under heavy urging
Eddie did a great job with Genghis Khan. I think his son or grandson was the groom on that horse.