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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: kingthermo on September 14, 2023, 04:43:32 PM
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Did he report to jail?
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I don’t think he’s going anymore.
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Heck no he's not going to jail. He's the FBI's new best friend. I don't know how you go from being a non reliable source to there star informant?
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Going to appear on Larry Rollas podcast.
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Never happen. Even Rolla has standards.
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Never happen. Even Rolla has standards.
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Nick Surick may testify at Hunter's trial/s.
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Nick Surick may testify at Hunter's trial/s.
Oakes or Biden?
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Oakes or Biden?
NICE BEST LINE ALL YEAR! Gotta say both!
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7 minute abz, nw-1
(only weighs in with the gold)
Clearly an HH line of the year candidate.
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Rats never go to jail
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Rats never go to jail
True...they get capped behind the ear.
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Hoping the Counselor will chime in.
He will have an update soon
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Hoping the Counselor will chime in.
He will have an update soon
Hoping the camp "counselor" never appears again.
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Getting that cheating S.O.B. into a jail is taking longer than finishing the Iditarod
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Surick had a reporting date of 9/6 for prison but as of yesterday, he was still not in the system.
With the force removal of the Assistant Racing Commissioner of NJ last week, some think they're somehow tied together.
I am beginning to think justice will be served only when Karma finally shows up.
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he's going to get his sentence commuted and run for Congress
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Or enter Witness Protection
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THERE HAS BEEN NUMERUS SEALED DOCUMENTS FILED BY THE COUNSEL OF MR. SURICK AND THE GOVERNMENT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. AS RECENTLY AS AUGUST 16 THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FILED DOCUMENTS AND AGAON ON SEPTEMBER 20 COUNSEL FOR MR. SURICK FILED AND SEALED A DOCUMENT. ALL THE DOCUMENTS ARE IN FACT SEALED. SO THE PUBLIC DOES NOT KNOW ANY OF THIS.
SOMEONE STATED THAT MR. SURICK HAS TURNED AGAIN TO TESTIFY AGAINST OTHER PERSONS OF INTEREST-----IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THAT IS A CORRECT ASSESSMENT. NOT SURE BUT MY OPINION WOULD BE THERE IS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BEING RELAYED TO THE GOVERNMENTS CASE AGAINST THE CURRENT DEFENDANTS OR QUITE POSSIBLY NEW DEFENDANTS. THEREFORE, THE PROSECUTION MAY HAVE LEFT MR. SURICK OUT OF JAIL WHILE THIS ALL PANS OUT. HE WAS SENTENCED BY A JUDGE AND THE SENTENCE WILL BE SERVED. THE APPEAL WAS WITHDRAWN FOR REASON SINCE THE PROSECUTOR AGREED TO JUDGE THAT THEY WANTED THE CONTINUANCE TO REPORT AS WELL.
AS OF SEPTEMBER 20 2023 ANOTHER SEALED DOCUMENT WAS FILED WITH THE COURT.
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Heck no he's not going to jail. He's the FBI's new best friend. I don't know how you go from being a non reliable source to there star informant?
Did he pass go and collect $ 200 from monopoly fame?
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THERE HAS BEEN NUMERUS SEALED DOCUMENTS FILED BY THE COUNSEL OF MR. SURICK AND THE GOVERNMENT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. AS RECENTLY AS AUGUST 16 THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FILED DOCUMENTS AND AGAON ON SEPTEMBER 20 COUNSEL FOR MR. SURICK FILED AND SEALED A DOCUMENT. ALL THE DOCUMENTS ARE IN FACT SEALED. SO THE PUBLIC DOES NOT KNOW ANY OF THIS.
SOMEONE STATED THAT MR. SURICK HAS TURNED AGAIN TO TESTIFY AGAINST OTHER PERSONS OF INTEREST-----IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THAT IS A CORRECT ASSESSMENT. NOT SURE BUT MY OPINION WOULD BE THERE IS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BEING RELAYED TO THE GOVERNMENTS CASE AGAINST THE CURRENT DEFENDANTS OR QUITE POSSIBLY NEW DEFENDANTS. THEREFORE, THE PROSECUTION MAY HAVE LEFT MR. SURICK OUT OF JAIL WHILE THIS ALL PANS OUT. HE WAS SENTENCED BY A JUDGE AND THE SENTENCE WILL BE SERVED. THE APPEAL WAS WITHDRAWN FOR REASON SINCE THE PROSECUTOR AGREED TO JUDGE THAT THEY WANTED THE CONTINUANCE TO REPORT AS WELL.
AS OF SEPTEMBER 20 2023 ANOTHER SEALED DOCUMENT WAS FILED WITH THE COURT.
Thanks for the update, much appreciated
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What might be some reasons for sealing a document .?
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Treating it as a public file could damage the case and or the people.
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Rainman2
He must of passed go and collected $200 to stay of jail!
I honestly believe the guy isn’t going……..
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I would rather have served the time instead of having to relocate to Bangladesh to prevent multiple ass whoopins from these cases!
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Interesting stuff regarding sealed documents. Most know who Surick was close to. Is the Bongiorno clan or Miller family sweating?
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I heard Hannah is relocating to Monaco as we speak...... ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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I would rather have served the time instead of having to relocate to Bangladesh to prevent multiple ass whoopins from these cases!
Have you ever met Nick?? His mommy told him no one can kick his ass. And he believes it
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Have you ever met Nick?? His mommy told him no one can kick his ass. And he believes it
You remember when he was driving at Freehold and had a wreck and went to infield broke out his phone and called mommy? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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I heard Hannah is relocating to Monaco as we speak...... ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Neither her father or his owners have enough money to put her up in Monaco, But maybe Monacca PA, a real possibility. ngc3
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Have you ever met Nick?? His mommy told him no one can kick his ass. And he believes it
I only met him 1 time. He reminded me of a guy I knew in Florida, Ppk, Louie Palucci .Always rambling about his Yonkas escapades and fixing his hair all the time. Talked tuff but was harmless.
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What is Rule 35 sentence reduction?
Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 35(b) permits a court, upon the government's motion, to impose a new, reduced sentence that takes into account post-sentencing substantial assistance, and that new sentence may go below the recommended guideline range and any statutory mandatory minimum penalty.
THE ABOVE MAY HELP EVERYONE WHAT MOST LIKELY HAS OCCURRED IN THIS CASE. SEEMS LIKE THIS FELLA IS COOPERATING IN ORDER TO RECEIVE A RULE 35 (B) REDUCTION IN SENTENCE. THE DEFINITION IS ABOVE AND PLEASE READ TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORK. THERE WERE SEVERAL DOCUMENTS FILED BY BOTH SIDES RECENTLY THAT ARE SEALED.
THIS IS SPECULATION WITHUT FACTUAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE CASE BUT ONE COULD REASON THAT THIS FELLA HAS IN FACT COOPERATED AGAINST FOLKS ALREADY INDICTED OR POSSIBLE A NEW ROUND OF INDICTMENTS IS BEING STRUCTURED. HE WAS SCHEDULED SEVERAL TIMES TO REPORT AND STRANGELY HE WAS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO REMAIN OUT OF JAIL AND MOVE FORWARD WITH HIS LIFE. ADDITIONALLY, THE DEFENDANTS ATTORNEY AND THE PROSECUTORS BOTH AGREED TO DROP THE APPEAL---THEREFORE THAT INDICATED THE RULE 35 (B).
HOPE THIS HELPS.
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Oh wow that round 2 is taking down some big time Chicago drivers and trainers. This is about to get real interesting.
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The most interesting part for me (if it happens) will be the taking down of owners. They were the ones who benefited the most….. …. With all the wiretaps they talk about i would expect some interesting conversations.
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big time Chicago drivers and trainers.
Never knew they existed.
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They used to
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Certainly not today.
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The most interesting part for me (if it happens) will be the taking down of owners. They were the ones who benefited the most….. …. With all the wiretaps they talk about i would expect some interesting conversations.
PARKED, are you talking about the Crawfords perhaps? Seems to be an interesting point that they had TB's and SB's with the four notables, IE: Servis, Navarro, Surick, and Oakes.
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BINGO, scum
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Oh wow that round 2 is taking down some big time Chicago drivers and trainers. This is about to get real interesting.
STFU U FCKIN IDIOT
ONLY THING SURICK KNOWS IN CHICAGO IS THE SEARS TOWER
YOUR USELESS DRIVVEL ALWAY SPOT ON ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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I heard the same thing. Andy Julie and erv among other Chicago people are going to have some real issues if surrick and Dane keep talking. It all goes back to Fishman. The feds have it all on tape.
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If it's true and Irv is involved with Nicky the Rat then you'll be seeing Lukester jumping ship soon.
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If it's true and Irv is involved with Nicky the Rat then you'll be seeing Lukester jumping ship soon.
I dint think lucPark will have a choice. Erv will be sitting next to Nicky sandals enjoying washing each other’s balls.
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Irv, andy & julie, hannah, timmy t, scotty d, crawfords and tony m are all gonna need to take cover soon.
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That would make a very nice cristmas present, to see them all get busted. Need bail money for Christmas, Gural steps up to the plate. And YELLS they were all set up. Would be a Christmas dream.
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Scotty d is a,juicer..I figured he was. Jow about bongiorno...since the arrests has her him win percentage changed.
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Harness racing is so far down on Feds to do list. You have proven horse killers that are still allowed to race. The fat lady has sung. There will be no second wave of indictments. If I was a standardbred, I would be shitting bricks right about now. The whole industry is shot. Vets, trainers, owners, judges and yes, commissions are all complicit. Look at the suspension list that comes out every Friday. You have trainers now coming up positive for street drugs and getting a slap on the wrist. If Joe the plumber got pulled over and they found in his truck what horsemen are giving these poor horses, he would be thrown in jail for years.
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That would make a very nice cristmas present, to see them all get busted. Need bail money for Christmas, Gural steps up to the plate. And YELLS they were all set up. Would be a Christmas dream.
While Gural and Settlemoir are dressed in DRAG like Will Ferrell in ELF. Priceless.... ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Harness racing is so far down on Feds to do list. You have proven horse killers that are still allowed to race. The fat lady has sung. There will be no second wave of indictments. If I was a standardbred, I would be shitting bricks right about now. The whole industry is shot. Vets, trainers, owners, judges and yes, commissions are all complicit. Look at the suspension list that comes out every Friday. You have trainers now coming up positive for street drugs and getting a slap on the wrist. If Joe the plumber got pulled over and they found in his truck what horsemen are giving these poor horses, he would be thrown in jail for years.
The street drugs you are talking about are unfortunately in out environments these days. The levels they are looking at and sanctioning trainers for are insane. Any person can pass a drug screening with those levels. The allowed limit on Oxycodone for a commercial airline pilot is 50x what they are calling a positive in some jurisdictions
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The street drugs you are talking about are unfortunately in out environments these days. The levels they are looking at and sanctioning trainers for are insane. Any person can pass a drug screening with those levels. The allowed limit on Oxycodone for a commercial airline pilot is 50x what they are calling a positive in some jurisdictions
As far as I am concerned, if a horse comes up positive for a non veterinary drug, the penalty should be extreme. There is no reason for a horse to have oxycodone or morphine in its system. PS...Once again, I call major BULLSHIT on all these so called environmental positives such as wood shavings, grooms piss etc. It's just a way for the commissions to sweep it under the rug, especially if one their "favorite trainers" is the one who trips the red light.
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Surick most definitely sung about other(s), as that's the only legit reason for him still being out passed his reporting date. The fact that the appeal was withdrawn and papers sealed, is because there's either a sitting Grand Jury still hearing evidence that he's partly providing, or already has, but indictment not yet activated. He's likely been told he's receiving a lesser sentence, that may even include no actual jail time, depending on how this active case plays out. There's no other cause for his remaining out but still under the original sentence.
The fact that the Assistant Racing Commission was escorted out of his office several days ago, may or may not be part of what's to come.
FBI Agents have been seen near some farms of who use to be very close to Surick. You can do the math if 1 +1 =2 before too long.
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As far as I am concerned, if a horse comes up positive for a non veterinary drug, the penalty should be extreme. There is no reason for a horse to have oxycodone or morphine in its system. PS...Once again, I call major BULLSHIT on all these so called environmental positives such as wood shavings, grooms piss etc. It's just a way for the commissions to sweep it under the rug, especially if one their "favorite trainers" is the one who trips the red light.
Heroin and opiod based pain killers n race horses, espically Tbreds goes back to the 1930s.
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Harness racing is so far down on Feds to do list. You have proven horse killers that are still allowed to race. The fat lady has sung. There will be no second wave of indictments. If I was a standardbred, I would be shitting bricks right about now. The whole industry is shot. Vets, trainers, owners, judges and yes, commissions are all complicit. Look at the suspension list that comes out every Friday. You have trainers now coming up positive for street drugs and getting a slap on the wrist. If Joe the plumber got pulled over and they found in his truck what horsemen are giving these poor horses, he would be thrown in jail for years.
You sir, are my hero. 100%...
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Surick most definitely sung about other(s), as that's the only legit reason for him still being out passed his reporting date. The fact that the appeal was withdrawn and papers sealed, is because there's either a sitting Grand Jury still hearing evidence that he's partly providing, or already has, but indictment not yet activated. He's likely been told he's receiving a lesser sentence, that may even include no actual jail time, depending on how this active case plays out. There's no other cause for his remaining out but still under the original sentence.
The fact that the Assistant Racing Commission was escorted out of his office several days ago, may or may not be part of what's to come.
FBI Agents have been seen near some farms of who use to be very close to Surick. You can do the math if 1 +1 =2 before too long.
Allard went and did his bid like a man.
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I WOULD AGREE WITH THE ABOVE POST BY SMOKING JOE. TRUTHFULLY, THE APPEAL WAS WITHDRAWN BY AGREEMENT AND THE SENTENCE WAS TO BEGIN SEVERAL TIMES AND DID NOT. THE JUDGE EXTENDED THE REPORT DATE SEVERAL TIMES. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE DEFENDANT WILL BRING UP NEW EVIDENCE OR TESTIFY AGAINST THE PENDING INDICTMENTS. TRUTHFULLY, NO WAY OF KNOWING EXCEPT THAT THIS FELLOW WOULD HAVE REPORTED ALREADY UNLESS HE WAS NEEDED TO TESTIFY AGAINST SOMEONE AND HE WOULD RECEIVE RULE 35 (B) REDUCTION. MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT WITH FULL COOPERATION THAT HELPSCONVICT THE CHARGED---THE 35 (B) CREDIT IS A REDUCTION OF SENTENCE BY APPROXIMATELY 30% OF THE ORIGIAL SENTENCE. THE SENTENCE COULD BE REDUCED BYTHE JUDGE OR CONVERTED TO HOUSE ARREST IF WARRANTED THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY SEEMS EXTREMELY SHARP IN THIS CASE AS HE TRULY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB FOR THE DEFENDANT! KEPT HIM OUT OF JAIL AND RAISED ISSUES WITH THE COURT ACCORDINGLY.
THIS COULD BE SEALED FOR QUITE SOME TIME IF IN FACT THE CASE IS NEW CHARGES. TIME WILL TELL.
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Allard went and did his bid like a man.
Allard did his time like a man? A man who stole money out of honest horsemen? A man who had no regard for a horse’s welfare? A man who did everything possible to cheat the betting public? A man who will be back doing the same things as soon as possible under some new beard. Screw Allard, Ledford, Surick and all the other scumbags who rotted harness racing forever.
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Allard did his time like a man? A man who stole money out of honest horsemen? A man who had no regard for a horse’s welfare? A man who did everything possible to cheat the betting public? A man who will be back doing the same things as soon as possible under some new beard. Screw Allard, Ledford, Surick and all the other scumbags who rotted harness racing forever.
Took the words right out of my mouth, Theo. A joke that some want to make a hero out of this fat kid.
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Allard did his time like a man? A man who stole money out of honest horsemen? A man who had no regard for a horse’s welfare? A man who did everything possible to cheat the betting public? A man who will be back doing the same things as soon as possible under some new beard. Screw Allard, Ledford, Surick and all the other scumbags who rotted harness racing forever.
Well said
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I was never a trainer but I regularly wonder how difficult the job has become. It’s not just about the hours, travel, vet costs, feed, supplements etc that causes me to pause. It is what goes through a trainer’s mind knowing he is at such a huge disadvantage trying to win against the chemists and the tracks that allow it to continue. It reminds me of the heavy steroid era in baseball. At first it wasn’t about building body mass and strength. It was about using steroids to heal from injuries a lot faster. That really wasn’t so bad under the right conditions. But once companies like Balco started promoting these drugs as performance enhancing that’s when the game went to hell. Is this what happened to harness racing too? I don’t know but the dirty trainers have just killed the sport.
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I was never a trainer but I regularly wonder how difficult the job has become. It’s not just about the hours, travel, vet costs, feed, supplements etc that causes me to pause. It is what goes through a trainer’s mind knowing he is at such a huge disadvantage trying to win against the chemists and the tracks that allow it to continue. It reminds me of the heavy steroid era in baseball. At first it wasn’t about building body mass and strength. It was about using steroids to heal from injuries a lot faster. That really wasn’t so bad under the right conditions. But once companies like Balco started promoting these drugs as performance enhancing that’s when the game went to hell. Is this what happened to harness racing too? I don’t know but the dirty trainers have just killed the sport.
Baseball is a great analogy. Just think of how many ball players grew up dreaming of playing MLB and when they finally got their chance, the only way they could make it was by putting junk into their body just to keep up with the other cheaters. Some did but many wouldn't compromise their integrity or their health and ended up out of the game after dedicating their life to making it. Their are many similarities between the honest horseman(yes, believe me, there are some) and the clean ball player. I don't know any baseball players but I know quite a few horsemen that were forced out of harness racing because they wouldn't cheat. Very sad.
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The potent M99 is once again alive, tweaked and has resurfaced. Wake up the boyz are 5yrs ahead of detection.!!
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Baseball is a great analogy. Just think of how many ball players grew up dreaming of playing MLB and when they finally got their chance, the only way they could make it was by putting junk into their body just to keep up with the other cheaters. Some did but many wouldn't compromise their integrity or their health and ended up out of the game after dedicating their life to making it. Their are many similarities between the honest horseman(yes, believe me, there are some) and the clean ball player. I don't know any baseball players but I know quite a few horsemen that were forced out of harness racing because they wouldn't cheat. Very sad.
Yes, there were definitely many. But it wasn't only the ones who wouldn't cheat, many COULDN"T cheat. No awareness of what was out there, who to contact for it or how to administer it. on top of it, many could not properly rig, train, shoe or feed. many were going through motions, barely winning, making carnival wages for years. Let's face it, a guy like Ross Croghan was a notorious cheater and he taught literally dozens. Many highly successful big time winners, but at the same time the guy could flat out train a fucking Standardbred. Like an Arod - was gonna hit lotsa homers clean, with drugs was just gonna hit more.
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I was never a trainer but I regularly wonder how difficult the job has become. It’s not just about the hours, travel, vet costs, feed, supplements etc that causes me to pause. It is what goes through a trainer’s mind knowing he is at such a huge disadvantage trying to win against the chemists and the tracks that allow it to continue. It reminds me of the heavy steroid era in baseball. At first it wasn’t about building body mass and strength. It was about using steroids to heal from injuries a lot faster. That really wasn’t so bad under the right conditions. But once companies like Balco started promoting these drugs as performance enhancing that’s when the game went to hell. Is this what happened to harness racing too? I don’t know but the dirty trainers have just killed the sport.
Cheating and looking for that edge has gone on since Church going people raced each other back to their farms from Sunday services. Probably gores back to biblical times. This last go around was a perfect storm. State testing was underfunded and sub par. Money available to the cheats. The more you cheat the more money they give you. Corruption on every level of the game. And, when they finally have solid evidence of doping, the Commissions refuse to continue the investigation because, the state will not fund a prosecution. Add in the ownership of racetracks are happy to give you the rope to hang yourself. But you still cheat because nobody cares.
Trainers are getting theirs, owners are getting theirs. Vets are getting their end. Drug manufacturers and their sales force are getting theirs.
The only people who are screaming thief, are the people that nobody listens to. The get dismissed as incompetent, behind the times, lazy and looser.
I don't care if you arrest convict and impression 100 more, cheating will always be there.
If you see some recent posts from 'ittle Nicky of Facebook, he acts like a man without a care in the world. I don't know, maybe his Lawyers have some influence in that. What is amazing is the horse people who all respond with praise and encouragement, to this low life scumbag rat bastard. Again , I do have a suspicion that is the play his lawyers are looking for. This mutt, keeps playing everyone for fools.
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You guys are lousy at reading comprehension. I never said Allard was a great guy, but he took his medicine like a man. Nicky is blowing his fortune on legal bills for appeals and informing on people.
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I get your point. Yes, he is doing the time.
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You guys are lousy at reading comprehension. I never said Allard was a great guy, but he took his medicine like a man. Nicky is blowing his fortune on legal bills for appeals and informing on people.
I know how I feel and I think what others feel from their comments that responded to you. Allard is a piece of crap. There is no reason to say anything remotely positive about him including whether he took his time in prison well or not. He deserved much more prison time. He should never ever be allowed anywhere near another race horse nor be associated with anyone honest in the industry. Whether you meant it or not your post sounded near sympathetic towards Allard for being a good boy in prison. Just understand from my perspective this is not an attack on you but you did hit a nerve with many who read your post. By the way our reading comprehension skills are just fine.
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Allard is horse killing scum but did not add "RAT" to his resume. I hope it is worth it for Nick (not).
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And i believe guys like Allard and Oakes will be back in action in some capacity, licensed or not, the morning after they walk out of prison. In fact, they probably are now. It's all a joke and like a poster said you could lock up 100 guys today - very little will change. When is the last time, a horse that could function raced "right out of the feed tub" and nothing else?
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To Counselor:
How can the courts rely on what Surick may tell them now after he lied earlier?
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Worse thing that ever happened for the standardbred breed was linkage with casino $. Normal societal and business levers that influence the success of industry no longer apply.
Normally customers walking away from business would forces changes attempting to reacquire customers to restore profitability. Not happening anymore since there really are no longer customers.This really isnt an industry anymore. And horse health has suffered greatly as a result.
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Cheating and looking for that edge has gone on since Church going people raced each other back to their farms from Sunday services. Probably gores back to biblical times. This last go around was a perfect storm. State testing was underfunded and sub par. Money available to the cheats. The more you cheat the more money they give you. Corruption on every level of the game. And, when they finally have solid evidence of doping, the Commissions refuse to continue the investigation because, the state will not fund a prosecution. Add in the ownership of racetracks are happy to give you the rope to hang yourself. But you still cheat because nobody cares.
Trainers are getting theirs, owners are getting theirs. Vets are getting their end. Drug manufacturers and their sales force are getting theirs.
The only people who are screaming thief, are the people that nobody listens to. The get dismissed as incompetent, behind the times, lazy and looser.
I don't care if you arrest convict and impression 100 more, cheating will always be there.
If you see some recent posts from 'ittle Nicky of Facebook, he acts like a man without a care in the world. I don't know, maybe his Lawyers have some influence in that. What is amazing is the horse people who all respond with praise and encouragement, to this low life scumbag rat bastard. Again , I do have a suspicion that is the play his lawyers are looking for. This mutt, keeps playing everyone for fools.
tmbz1 Great post
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Dead nuts on point! tmbz1
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Jail is one thing. Large financial penalties to the trainer & owners are needed too. There would still be some that cheat. The logic being the Feds will go away & business will be back to normal.
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Jail is one thing. Large financial penalties to the trainer & owners are needed too. There would still be some that cheat. The logic being the Feds will go away & business will be back to normal.
Commissions need to stop with suspensions. There is always a beard to step in when someone gets one. The way to deter cheating is huge fines. Your horse comes up positive..First offense 10g's. No suspension. Second offense..25g's. No suspension. Third offense...50g's. No suspension. Fourth offense...100g's. No suspension. HOWEVER. Until fine is paid. all horses on trainers roster are not allowed to race until fine is paid. No transferring trainer until fine is paid.
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Commissions need to stop with suspensions. There is always a beard to step in when someone gets one. The way to deter cheating is huge fines. Your horse comes up positive..First offense 10g's. No suspension. Second offense..25g's. No suspension. Third offense...50g's. No suspension. Fourth offense...100g's. No suspension. HOWEVER. Until fine is paid. all horses on trainers roster are not allowed to race until fine is paid. No transferring trainer until fine is paid.
Yeah but you and i could each name 100 owners who could come up with that money in a heartbeat, if the trainer couldn't.
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Did surick take a plea or he was convicted by judge or jury? Mangano ounty executive nassau county had his sentence on hold for 2 years as he kept appealing conviction. They didn't sentence him till appeals ran out.
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He pled guilty to three charges
https://paulickreport.com/news/integrity_art/unsealed-documents-show-surick-guilty-plea-agreement-to-cooperate-in-federal-probe/
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RAT CUNT...
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Yeah but you and i could each name 100 owners who could come up with that money in a heartbeat, if the trainer couldn't.
You're correct that there are owners that can come up with the money. Maybe make it where all fines paid go to retirement orgs for horses. At least some good can come out of it. The way it is set up now, suspensions are laughable.
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THE POST STATING THE HEAVY FINES BY MIKE CAMPBELL IS INTERESTING AS THE TRAINER AND OWNERS WOULD HAVE TO PAY BEFORE ANYONE COULD RACE AGAIN. THE QUESTION IS WHO GETS THE FINES? WOULD NEED TO BE USED TO REINFORCE THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND GO AFTER BETTER EQUIPMENT FOR DETECTION OF ILLEGAL DRUGS. ADDITIONALLY, THE FINE WOULD NEEDTO BE INCREASED AFTER EACH VIOLATION . I REALIZE MONEY IS NOT EVERYTHING TO MANY BUT EVEN THE WEALTHY FOLKS DO NOT LIKE TO WASTE IT.
AN INFORMANT IS ONLY AS GOD AS HIS REPUTATION TO THE FEDS BUT THE FEDS ARE EXTREMELY INTELIGENT. THEY REALIZE THE CREDIBILITY ISSUE SO THE INFORMANT CAN LEAD TO OTHERS THAT ARE CREDIBLE AND THOSE FOLKS CAN BE FORCED TO INFORM REGARDING OTHERS AND THEN THEIR TESTIMONY CAN BE USED. THE INFORMANT CAN BE THE WORST OF THE WORST AND SUPPLY CREDIBLE FOLKS THAT MUST TESTIFY OR THEY WILL G DOWN. RECALL THE FEDERAL SYSTEM IS BASED ON INFORMING THE FACTS AND ONE LEADS TO ANOTHER AND ANOTHER AND ANOTHER. THAT IS THE SYSTEM IN PLACE FOR DECADES. SOMETIMES THE BAD GUYS ARE PAID HUGE SUMS OF MONEY TO INFORM---LIVE A GREAT LIFE--NEW IDENTITIES, ETC. SERIOUSLY, THIS IS HUGE BUSINESS FOR MANY IN THE CRIMINAL WORLD.
TRUTHFULLY, I DO NOT THINK MANY FOLKS UNDERSTANDT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. THERE IS ALWAYS A BIGGER FISH SWIMMING IN THE WATER AND A BRIGHT YOUNG PROSECUTOR WANTS THE BIGGER FISH AND THEY GIVEUP A SURE CONVICTION TO GET TO THE BIG FISH EVERYDAY!!!!!! MAKES THE WORLD TURN FOLKS.
HORSE RACING HAS GONE ON AND ON FOR MANY YEARS WITHOUT PROSECUTION. FOLKS, I REALIZE YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THIS BUT THAT DAY IS NOW GONE, THERE ARE SOME POWERFUL WEALTHY OWNERS AND TRAINERS OUT THERE NOW IN THE SIGHTS OF THE GOVERNEMENT AND THEY WILL BE INVESTIGATED AND IF GUILTY THEY WILL BE CHARGED AND QUITE POSSIBLY BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNTIY TO INFORM ON A BIGGER FISH!!!!!
CRAZY WORLD FOLKS!