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Re: Nick Surick
« Reply #45 on: September 25, 2023, 01:47:21 PM »
Scotty d is a,juicer..I figured he was.  Jow about bongiorno...since the arrests has her him win percentage changed.

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« Reply #46 on: September 25, 2023, 03:08:27 PM »
Harness racing is so far down on Feds to do list. You have proven horse killers that are still allowed to race. The fat lady has sung. There will be no second wave of indictments. If I was a standardbred, I would be shitting bricks right about now. The whole industry is shot. Vets, trainers, owners, judges and yes, commissions are all complicit. Look at the suspension list that comes out every Friday. You have trainers now coming up positive for street drugs and getting a slap on the wrist. If Joe the plumber got pulled over and they found in his truck what horsemen are giving these poor horses, he would be thrown in jail for years.   

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« Reply #47 on: September 25, 2023, 03:28:41 PM »
That would make a very nice cristmas present, to see them all get busted. Need bail money for Christmas, Gural steps up to the plate. And YELLS they were all set up.  Would be a Christmas dream.

While Gural and Settlemoir are dressed in DRAG like Will Ferrell in ELF.  Priceless.... ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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« Reply #48 on: September 25, 2023, 03:35:32 PM »
Harness racing is so far down on Feds to do list. You have proven horse killers that are still allowed to race. The fat lady has sung. There will be no second wave of indictments. If I was a standardbred, I would be shitting bricks right about now. The whole industry is shot. Vets, trainers, owners, judges and yes, commissions are all complicit. Look at the suspension list that comes out every Friday. You have trainers now coming up positive for street drugs and getting a slap on the wrist. If Joe the plumber got pulled over and they found in his truck what horsemen are giving these poor horses, he would be thrown in jail for years.

The street drugs you are talking about are unfortunately in out environments these days. The levels they are looking at and sanctioning trainers for are insane. Any person can pass a drug screening with those levels. The allowed limit on Oxycodone for a commercial airline pilot is 50x what they are calling a positive in some jurisdictions

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Re: Nick Surick
« Reply #49 on: September 25, 2023, 03:49:45 PM »
The street drugs you are talking about are unfortunately in out environments these days. The levels they are looking at and sanctioning trainers for are insane. Any person can pass a drug screening with those levels. The allowed limit on Oxycodone for a commercial airline pilot is 50x what they are calling a positive in some jurisdictions

As far as I am concerned, if a horse comes up positive for a non veterinary drug, the penalty should be extreme. There is no reason for a horse to have oxycodone or morphine in its system. PS...Once again, I call major BULLSHIT on all these so called environmental positives such as wood shavings, grooms piss etc. It's just a way for the commissions to sweep it under the rug, especially if one their "favorite trainers" is the one who trips the red light.

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« Reply #50 on: September 25, 2023, 04:40:20 PM »
Surick most definitely sung about other(s), as that's the only legit reason for him still being out passed his reporting date. The fact that the appeal was withdrawn and papers sealed, is because there's either a sitting Grand Jury still hearing evidence that he's partly providing, or already has, but indictment not yet activated. He's likely been told he's receiving a lesser sentence, that may even include no actual jail time, depending on how this active case plays out. There's no other cause for his remaining out but still under the original sentence.

The fact that the Assistant Racing Commission was escorted out of his office several days ago, may or may not be part of what's to come.

FBI Agents have been seen near some farms of who use to be very close to Surick. You can do the math if 1 +1 =2 before too long.

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« Reply #51 on: September 25, 2023, 06:25:57 PM »
As far as I am concerned, if a horse comes up positive for a non veterinary drug, the penalty should be extreme. There is no reason for a horse to have oxycodone or morphine in its system. PS...Once again, I call major BULLSHIT on all these so called environmental positives such as wood shavings, grooms piss etc. It's just a way for the commissions to sweep it under the rug, especially if one their "favorite trainers" is the one who trips the red light.
Heroin and opiod based pain killers  n race horses, espically Tbreds goes back to the 1930s.

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« Reply #52 on: September 25, 2023, 09:02:53 PM »
Harness racing is so far down on Feds to do list. You have proven horse killers that are still allowed to race. The fat lady has sung. There will be no second wave of indictments. If I was a standardbred, I would be shitting bricks right about now. The whole industry is shot. Vets, trainers, owners, judges and yes, commissions are all complicit. Look at the suspension list that comes out every Friday. You have trainers now coming up positive for street drugs and getting a slap on the wrist. If Joe the plumber got pulled over and they found in his truck what horsemen are giving these poor horses, he would be thrown in jail for years.
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« Reply #53 on: September 25, 2023, 09:12:23 PM »
Surick most definitely sung about other(s), as that's the only legit reason for him still being out passed his reporting date. The fact that the appeal was withdrawn and papers sealed, is because there's either a sitting Grand Jury still hearing evidence that he's partly providing, or already has, but indictment not yet activated. He's likely been told he's receiving a lesser sentence, that may even include no actual jail time, depending on how this active case plays out. There's no other cause for his remaining out but still under the original sentence.

The fact that the Assistant Racing Commission was escorted out of his office several days ago, may or may not be part of what's to come.

FBI Agents have been seen near some farms of who use to be very close to Surick. You can do the math if 1 +1 =2 before too long.

Allard went and did his bid like a man.

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« Reply #54 on: September 25, 2023, 10:22:01 PM »
I WOULD AGREE WITH THE ABOVE POST BY SMOKING JOE.   TRUTHFULLY, THE APPEAL WAS WITHDRAWN BY AGREEMENT AND THE SENTENCE WAS TO BEGIN SEVERAL TIMES AND DID NOT.   THE JUDGE EXTENDED THE REPORT DATE SEVERAL TIMES.   IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE DEFENDANT WILL BRING UP NEW EVIDENCE OR TESTIFY AGAINST THE PENDING INDICTMENTS.   TRUTHFULLY, NO WAY OF KNOWING EXCEPT THAT THIS FELLOW WOULD HAVE REPORTED ALREADY UNLESS HE WAS NEEDED TO TESTIFY AGAINST SOMEONE AND HE WOULD RECEIVE RULE 35 (B)  REDUCTION.   MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT WITH FULL COOPERATION THAT HELPSCONVICT THE CHARGED---THE 35 (B) CREDIT IS A REDUCTION OF SENTENCE BY APPROXIMATELY 30% OF THE ORIGIAL SENTENCE.   THE SENTENCE COULD BE REDUCED BYTHE JUDGE OR CONVERTED TO HOUSE ARREST IF WARRANTED  THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY SEEMS EXTREMELY SHARP IN THIS CASE AS HE TRULY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB FOR THE DEFENDANT!    KEPT HIM OUT OF JAIL AND RAISED ISSUES WITH THE COURT ACCORDINGLY.

THIS COULD BE SEALED FOR QUITE SOME TIME IF IN FACT THE CASE IS NEW CHARGES.   TIME WILL TELL.

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« Reply #55 on: September 25, 2023, 10:27:52 PM »
Allard went and did his bid like a man.
Allard did his time like a man? A man who stole money out of honest horsemen? A man who had no regard for a horse’s welfare? A man who did everything possible to cheat the betting public? A man who will be back doing the same things as soon as possible under some new beard. Screw Allard, Ledford, Surick and all the other scumbags who rotted harness racing forever.

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« Reply #56 on: September 25, 2023, 10:31:00 PM »
Allard did his time like a man? A man who stole money out of honest horsemen? A man who had no regard for a horse’s welfare? A man who did everything possible to cheat the betting public? A man who will be back doing the same things as soon as possible under some new beard. Screw Allard, Ledford, Surick and all the other scumbags who rotted harness racing forever.
Took the words right out of my mouth, Theo. A joke that some want to make a hero out of this fat kid.

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Re: Nick Surick
« Reply #57 on: September 25, 2023, 10:36:32 PM »
Allard did his time like a man? A man who stole money out of honest horsemen? A man who had no regard for a horse’s welfare? A man who did everything possible to cheat the betting public? A man who will be back doing the same things as soon as possible under some new beard. Screw Allard, Ledford, Surick and all the other scumbags who rotted harness racing forever.
Well said

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« Reply #58 on: September 25, 2023, 10:48:37 PM »
I was never a trainer but I regularly wonder how difficult the job has become. It’s not just about the hours, travel, vet costs, feed, supplements etc that causes me to pause. It is what goes through a trainer’s mind knowing he is at such a huge disadvantage trying to win against the chemists and the tracks that allow it to continue. It reminds me of the heavy steroid era in baseball. At first it wasn’t about building body mass and strength. It was about using steroids to heal from injuries a lot faster. That really wasn’t so bad under the right conditions. But once companies like Balco started promoting these drugs as performance enhancing that’s when the game went to hell. Is this what happened to harness racing too? I don’t know but the dirty trainers have just killed the sport.

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« Reply #59 on: September 25, 2023, 11:05:03 PM »
I was never a trainer but I regularly wonder how difficult the job has become. It’s not just about the hours, travel, vet costs, feed, supplements etc that causes me to pause. It is what goes through a trainer’s mind knowing he is at such a huge disadvantage trying to win against the chemists and the tracks that allow it to continue. It reminds me of the heavy steroid era in baseball. At first it wasn’t about building body mass and strength. It was about using steroids to heal from injuries a lot faster. That really wasn’t so bad under the right conditions. But once companies like Balco started promoting these drugs as performance enhancing that’s when the game went to hell. Is this what happened to harness racing too? I don’t know but the dirty trainers have just killed the sport.

Baseball is a great analogy. Just think of how many ball players grew up dreaming of playing MLB and when they finally got their chance, the only way they could make it was by putting junk into their body just to keep up with the other cheaters. Some did but many wouldn't compromise their integrity or their health and ended up out of the game after dedicating their life to making it. Their are many similarities between the honest horseman(yes, believe me, there are some) and the clean ball player. I don't know any baseball players but I know quite a few horsemen that were forced out of harness racing because they wouldn't cheat. Very sad.

 

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