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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Mr. Fix-It on January 29, 2019, 01:36:36 PM
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Vote goes to Anthony Morgan
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Real cormier
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you mean involved in the most cheat races ? Yes, I would go along with tony morgan, and add mike oosting, bob smolin , phil hudon and randy waples
https://youtu.be/zwc12cABT6Q
Quality drive
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waples did what wrong there?
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waples did what wrong there?
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Tony gave him the boot after that ine
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Nobody mentioned Beckwith?
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Cat Manzi.
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https://youtu.be/zwc12cABT6Q
Quality drive
Jamieson made a crooked move and pulled alongside Waples to box him in. They probably were favoring a different owner with the big purse.
Yea Tom hilll is a no one anyways lol
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most of the cheaters that gamble go broke lifetime and die poor.
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most of the cheaters that gamble go broke lifetime and die poor.
Everyone dies broke
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John Campbell and it's not even close,go ahead,laugh all you want,you guy's have no clue what he did for decades at The Meadowlands,you have no clue
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most of the cheaters that gamble go broke lifetime and die poor.
Very true Mr. Piggy
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Real cormier
Coco used to drive for a now deceased friend of mine back in the the late 70's at Roosevelt\Yonkers...They wouldn't use any other driver as he followed their instructions and they would wait patiently til their mare would drop down in class to C-2 or C-3 and boom down the road, cashing their tickets..They usually made a nice score but like Pigland said previously, the owners died broke..Very few cheats\gamblers ever come out ahead..They usually never walk away a winner in the long run
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Its crazy if guys doesn't win he stinks, he cheats, he was stupid. That's always your motto. He left for position and had guys outside him every step of race. Get a clue. seriously. you think he cheated?????????? He got locked in on purpose. its called a race . not a script
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That fucking Campbell,all those races he fixed with Jackie Mo and Billy O and you morons have no clue,truly sick! Idolize that crook,you have literally no idea
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Thanks rabbi .I'm sure u know as you put in the bets
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https://youtu.be/zwc12cABT6Q
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I'd like to know what he was on that night
and this night
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I heard the opposite. In the 80s all kinds of shenanigans
Going on at meadowlands, but you couldn’t
Get John on board on any of it.
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Mike Lachance was pretty good settin races up with Luc and Dube.
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Mike Lachance was pretty good settin races up with Luc and Dube.
Mr Manzi
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Mr Manzi
True forgot about him
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the biggest obvious stiffer was jim marohn sr, hands down starting at rr to the end
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I have never heard of or seen a driver do nothing but drive to the best of their abilities
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Todd warren
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I have never heard of or seen a driver do nothing but drive to the best of their abilities
SAYS THE CEO FOR THE CORP FOR ADVANCEMENT OF THE BLIND
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they have to blame someone else.. it cant be that they have no clue how to bet...
losers always are blaming others for their faults... and most gamblers are losers
its not my fault i lost all my money its the drivers fault for cheating... shame shame
self proclaimed know it alls who in reality are just beaten down bustouts
want to find crybaby bitching stroke offs.... go to the races...
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they have to blame someone else.. it cant be that they have no clue how to bet...
losers always are blaming others for their faults... and most gamblers are losers
its not my fault i lost all my money its the drivers fault for cheating... shame shame
self proclaimed know it alls who in reality are just beaten down bustouts
want to find crybaby bitching stroke offs.... go to the races...
I guess by your logic all those cheating busts and banned drivers and trainers are just because of disgruntled gamblers
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Ronnie Wrenn Jr does it as frequently as anyone.
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Mickey Goldin. He has been cheating for 30 yrs. Has made huge huge scores
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Bruce Aldrich Jr
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Vote goes to Anthony Morgan
tmbz1 kiss em Joe from the rail at 1/2. RTP wanted to put a bullet in him after that race
I think its time to wish a little ass cancer on Tony for that
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Best quote ever was by may be rest in peace. Ronnie Leggit....Boys you don't have to win too win. All time classic in industry
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Not saying it doesnt happen, but I know if a driver does not drive in an effort to give my horse the best chance to win, without abusing the horse to the degree where that race could negatively effect him in the future, he aint driving for me anymore. This with the understanding that they do make mistakes. If a driver does not want to communicate to the owner, driver, groom about any issues, then he can find some other horse to drive.If other owners or trainers allow drivers to purposely drive in an attempt to give the horse a lesser chance, thats their problem. Everyone has eyes, its not rocket science. Trainers/owners who would allow that, are either stupid or in on something. Drivers damn well know that if they are "playing" around, their driving opportunities will be less and less.
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I think Eddie Cobb was simply the best!
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Tony Morgan by far
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If the story is true, didn't Lachance get caught with the suitcase full of cash @ the American/Canadian border many years ago?
50 grand in cash at an airport. he claimed the money was from selling a horse
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Wall e
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Kevin Wallis
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Its crazy if guys doesn't win he stinks, he cheats, he was stupid. That's always your motto. He left for position and had guys outside him every step of race. Get a clue. seriously. you think he cheated?????????? He got locked in on purpose. its called a race . not a script
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50 grand in cash at an airport. he claimed the money was from selling a horse
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Read Larry Rolla's Book; Against All Odds. According to him , He fixed races daily at Monticello and all around the country.
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Read Larry Rolla's Book; Against All Odds. According to him , He fixed races daily at Monticello and all around the country.
years ago a guy I knew with a crooked nose told me they used to leave that days monti progam at his hotel door with horses circled. he also told me once he got a big tip and was racing to the track and a cop stopped him for speeding and he yelled at the cop hurry up and write the ticket I have a race to make
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Read Larry Rolla's Book; Against All Odds. According to him , He fixed races daily at Monticello and all around the country.
I believe it because I always saw larry rolla going from the paddock to the betting windows and vise versa through the rear door close to the cafeteria
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He fixed races at NY Thoroughbred tracks. At Monticello, for a period of 3 years or so, every last race trifecta was a set-up.
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Don't believe every exaggeration you read in a book that this former trainer\driver is trying to sell....Have you ever noticed the guys that are broke are always bragging that they did this and that and have nothing to show for it...The smart ones were the quiet ones who kept low profiles.
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GAGS!
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E.D> , I know you have a half century of knowledge and wisdom in racing. Me too. I witnessed many of the fixed races. I remember the last race at Monticello, 1984. The race where I think 4 drivers and 3 trainers where charged by the RWB for race fixing. I remember being in the paddock at Freehold where the last race again was almost a daily set-up. I watch Walter case accept his "package " at Northfeild right in front of me, as I was an owner at my trainers barn, with a horse in the race.
This game has been a set -up from the first day I saw it. Now, it is still a scam using ,ore recent technology.
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Dapple you could have not said it better. The quiet ones got it all. Not the loud mouth s. I know a driver and a owner who took out so much money from the windows in a period of about 6 yrs first hand. I would never tell u there names as a really don't even know how much . But it was probably in the vicinity of 200k. Yes lost also but when all said and done bought horses with cash . Sold a few. Was a very profitable marriage. It ened a long time ago. But no one knew or still knows cause people kept quiet
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We ALL know harness racing, and its human element, is fixed(controlled, managed, sports entertainment, whatever).
...AND we really wouldn't want it any other way.
Grab a program and play along 365!!!!
dice, deck of cards, spinning wheel, scratch offs, ping pong balls, a new orleans referee. I mean really...what gives you the most consistent opportunity to gamble day in, day out (on selected and accurately handicapped events) than harness racing. You all know the tricks of the game. Its the same tricks every card every track every day..it all plays into your hands daily. NOW DO $$$ SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
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E.D> , I know you have a half century of knowledge and wisdom in racing. Me too. I witnessed many of the fixed races. I remember the last race at Monticello, 1984. The race where I think 4 drivers and 3 trainers where charged by the RWB for race fixing. I remember being in the paddock at Freehold where the last race again was almost a daily set-up. I watch Walter case accept his "package " at Northfeild right in front of me, as I was an owner at my trainers barn, with a horse in the race.
This game has been a set -up from the first day I saw it. Now, it is still a scam using ,ore recent technology.
I can't argue with you..I know stuff went on, I used to witness envelopes being handed out the day after a race, sometimes out in the open paddock at the qualifiers to a guy who went dead the night before...I was very close with one of the gamblers who was indicted in the 1973 Superfecta scandal in NY Yonkers\Roosevelt, and for all the money he made, he admitted to me he ended up with nothing after paying his lawyers to defend him in court...I'm not naive to think guys going dead wasn't common..An envelope with $300 was good money to a driver up in Monticello back in the late 70's...Heck it may be good money now to some of them...I guess my point is, I just don't believe every thing that someone may have written in a book that he's trying to sell...I believe there are many exaggerations...I'm out of business for many years..Do I believe some guys who love to gamble still Fxxk around ? , sure I'd be naive not to believe that...And like you said with today's technology , they may not be fixing races anymore at these tracks with large purses but I do believe there is chemical warfare that has destroyed any ounce of integrity that may have been in this business.. My opinion , it's a matter of time before these casinos can figure a way to wiggle out of subsidizing these bloated purses and the industry will shrink further..The younger generations have no interest in harness racing..It was fun while I was in it, even though I made no real money, it did teach me a lot about people and I moved on, got lucky and found another successful career track...More than anything I do get a kick out of reading Plop!! Some of you guys are too funny!!
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Everyone dies broke
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I laugh at these guys who cheated the betting public, back in the day, think that the guys who gas nowadays are the ones who ruined harness racing.
At least the guys who pay to gas are racing to win.
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Phil LaFramboise. Rodney was good at it too but Phil was a master.
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We are on the same page, E.D. Great post.
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Carmine, Herve or Ross Hayter. Masters of the set up.
I remember a Herve story where a driver says to him scoring down if he could finish second today. Herve says no way I got a $200 dd off my horse. Driver says okay I'll give you a $100 dd off my horse. Herve says okay. He didnt have a dime bet on the race but still cashed a $100 dd.
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I laugh at these guys who cheated the betting public, back in the day, think that the guys who gas nowadays are the ones who ruined harness racing.
At least the guys who pay to gas are racing to win.
Stone, You make a good point..I don't disagree with you...There's enough blame to go around for ruining this sport from race fixing to horse drugging...For me personally, the drugging bothers me more because I feel bad for all the equine deaths and injuries that have occurred due to the chemists of today..That being said, I'm not condoning cheating or stiffing a horse either..I really do believe that the decline of this sport was inevitable as gambling \ entertainment choices have changed greatly in the last 40 years ...Even when people thought racing was fixed back in the 60's\70's , the grandstands were filled...As I watched my father and his friends born in the 1930's and earlier die off, so did the sport...I just think younger people moved onto other forms of gambling and harness racing got left behind..Just not exciting or glamorous enough I guess...
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Stone, You make a good point..I don't disagree with you...There's enough blame to go around for ruining this sport from race fixing to horse drugging...For me personally, the drugging bothers me more because I feel bad for all the equine deaths and injuries that have occurred due to the chemists of today..That being said, I'm not condoning cheating or stiffing a horse either..I really do believe that the decline of this sport was inevitable as gambling \ entertainment choices have changed greatly in the last 40 years ...Even when people thought racing was fixed back in the 60's\70's , the grandstands were filled...As I watched my father and his friends born in the 1930's and earlier die off, so did the sport...I just think younger people moved onto other forms of gambling and harness racing got left behind..Just not exciting or glamorous enough I guess...
Back in the day, was my day. In those days, purses were pedestrian and wagering pools were gigantic. It was all about gambling and getting things done. I raced against Herve and his Capital Hills Farm horses for years and in the beginning I was amazed at how he turned the death trip on a half mile track, first over, into his normal mode of operation. Soon it came to light that he had help in his endeavors that had nothing to do with Great Hands. He would have ended up wealthy had it not been for that fact that he was probably the world's worst gin rummy player. Of course Atlantic City didn't help him either. I remember people lining up in the Roosevelt track kitchen for a shot at him.
Since then, the world of harness racing has come full circle. Now its all about big purses. That means that the trainers of today, must use any means at their disposal to get to the finish line first. I don't think that this fact in and of itself is totally responsible for the demise of the game. I think that it is more of a generational thing. 1/2 mile racing is a non-factor activity. Young people of the day are not the least bit interested in getting 40-50 cents on the dollar watching Bartlett or Brennan waltz around the track.
So to answer the question regarding the thread........Cob b, Gilmour, and Webster in a dead heat.
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Ira used to dump on orders more at Washington Park than all the horses emptying out on track. Phil Milburn owned him.
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Ira used to dump on orders more at Washington Park than all the horses emptying out on track. Phil Milburn owned him.
ira is harmless. I highly doubt he fixed any races. he was voted best new driver for god's sake.
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I would say back when the Meadowlands was the place John Campbell was the master. Most talk about all the wins he had but never the drives that went backwards. He stiffed more horses and was in on more rigged races than anyone.
Can you name one stiffed horse or cite one rigged race?
Just one.
Can you?
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back when jc was king at m1 the stretch run was always a free for all, one would imagine it would be very hard to fix there
always someone 4 or 5 deep to run over your number
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Can you name one stiffed horse or cite one rigged race?
Just one.
Can you?
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AN EXTRA 2-300 BUCKS A COUPLE OF NIGHTS A WEEK PAY FOR BEER AND CIGS. THEY AINT CHEAP YOU KNOW
AND IF ANY OF YOU D GENERATES DONT LIKE IT, YOU KNOW WHERE IT HANGS
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HEY SMELLIN, WHY DONT YOU USE SOME OF THE MONEY FROM STIFFING TO PAY THE CHILD SUPPORT ON YOUR KIDS? HAVING TO MOVE FROM ONE STATE TO ANOTHER TO KEEP FROM GOING TO JAIL FOR NON PAYMENT IS NO WAY TO LIVE LIFE OR TREAT YOUR KIDS
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Plano
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All of these stories remind me of one I had heard many years ago, but unfortunately time has caught up with me and I can't recall who told me or in what context it was. It was about a particular race at the Meadowlands in which the French connection (Lachance, Luc, and Dube) had all live shots, but unexpectedly they all took back to the rear of the field. As two of the US drivers left and retook from one another with no pressure whatsoever, one yelled to the other "I guess the Canadian's are dead this race". I heard this so many years ago, the situation I can't recall, but I do remember laughing my ass off when the story was told to me.
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It's easy. At Dover you don't need a crooked drive. All you have to do is part-wheel the favorite and co-favorite with the rest of the field. Costs $12. in an eight horse field. The trifectas come back good because the longest horses in the field finish third. Check it out.
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It's easy. At Dover you don't need a crooked drive. All you have to do is part-wheel the favorite and co-favorite with the rest of the field. Costs $12. in an eight horse field. The trifectas come back good because the longest horses in the field finish third. Check it out.
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Heard it said that The Trunk Doctor made over $100K just betting at Chester's last meet.
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Heard it said that The Trunk Doctor made over $100K just betting at Chester's last meet.
when I went to dover in 98 and bet 200 a race the tellers shook counting the money. grandstand was full of old broke farmers wearing flannel shirts
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when I went to dover in 98 and bet 200 a race
ok, I'll bite.
Why would you bet $200 a race at Dover?
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John,Billy O,and Jackie Mo fixed thousands and thousands of races,wise up guy's,ever hear of "The Fun Bunch?" Of course you fools have not,that is what they were called,disgusting,and John was the kingpin
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John,Billy O,and Jackie Mo fixed thousands and thousands of races,wise up guy's,ever hear of "The Fun Bunch?" Of course you fools have not,that is what they were called,disgusting,and John was the kingpin
That group would get my vote.
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Jack couldnt afford to pay all that alimony. Luc was gonna be put in the Hudson.
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I'm calling Bullshit on 92% of the posts in this thread.
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I would say back when the Meadowlands was the place John Campbell was the master. Most talk about all the wins he had but never the drives that went backwards. He stiffed more horses and was in on more rigged races than anyone.
Name one.
Just one.
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92% is less than the 100% BS you post on all threads.
Thats way out of line .....more like 98%
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I would say back when the Meadowlands was the place John Campbell was the master. Most talk about all the wins he had but never the drives that went backwards. He stiffed more horses and was in on more rigged races than anyone.
Tim,
We're still waiting...
For you to name one horse he stiffed or one race he rigged.
Just one.
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Tim,
We're still waiting...
For you to name one horse he stiffed or one race he rigged.
Just one.
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