IS HORSES ON DEALS GETTING TO BE THE NORM. WHO BENEFITS ?

[rainman2]

How much is the daily rate for the less than big name trainers? Say at Monticello or Plainridge.

I was told  Burke was 4500/month.  Shouldn't it be more if he's a chemist?  Inquiring minds want to know the answer to this!

[Stan durbread]

I doubt you will get Burke for $4500 a month unless it is +++. He is cheaper than most of the successful trainers but he also runs an assembly line barn. Grooms “taking care of” 8-10 horses not the typical 3-5 in a grand circuit barn. Horses get nothing extra as far as leg care, just shockwave and veterinary work.

[rainman2]

Should a better question be who actually gets over on this!

A few groups that do when they don't pay their bills are:

blacksmiths
vets
feed guys
tack shops

[Pacer 2]

I was told  Burke was 4500/month.  Shouldn't it be more if he's a chemist?  Inquiring minds want to know the answer to this!

   What makes you think he's a chemist???

[The Unstable]

Both owner and trainer can benefit. Some owners want to deals only with the "hot chem" trainers.  They will leave them in a heartbeat and if things go south leave them broke.  Some trainers
 are desperate to get horses and take a bad deal for themselves or get only broken down horses who can't do.    But if you have a good relationship and are looking out for each other interests, plus classify as needed both can do well.

1) never buy a horse the trainer doesn't want
2) if the horse cannot do, move it so the trainer doesn't get killed. That does not mean panic but after two to three months if the horse cannot do you have to take your loss and move on.

[The Unstable]

   What makes you think he's a chemist???

the statistical probabilty of Burke out performing everyone at yearling sales and on the track without help seems extremely low. How is it possible that he outperforms all those trainers on the pacing side especially over and over?  Are only idiots who cannot train buying yearlings out of the sales. I mean what are the odds of having the 4 best pacers in Ohio at 3 years old colts in the same year.  Think about the probability of that given the likilihood that some of those who compete against him are likely chemically getting an edge. Burke is like Barry Bonds, a great performer made better with help IMO.  You need not agree but you won't change my mind because i kind of think it is a statistically unlikely occurence. 

Harris spent millions for his owner and cannot compete with him. So have many other owners. But Burke has 15 top ones spread out in every state.  If your a smaller owner you are thrilled you get a horse that makes a 100K in a year, any year.  Burke has 50-100 of them. 

[rainman2]

I doubt you will get Burke for $4500 a month unless it is +++. He is cheaper than most of the successful trainers but he also runs an assembly line barn. Grooms “taking care of” 8-10 horses not the typical 3-5 in a grand circuit barn. Horses get nothing extra as far as leg care, just shockwave and veterinary work.

You still need good grooms to get the job done right!  There is no substitute for this!  Shockwave and vet work can only do so much!

[dougie]

You still need good grooms to get the job done right!  There is no substitute for this!  Shockwave and vet work can only do so much!

Wouldn't Burke be one of the more expensive trainers? If for argument sake he gets $4500 a month for a horses, it certainly gotta be cheaper at smaller tracks with lesser known trainers.