Why is it some trainers only race claimers?

[Kirby's Ace]

Guys like Eckley, Taneyhill and Oakes at Poconos. Most if not all of horses are just claimers. Is it the owners or do they just that's all they know how to gas?

[Papillon]

Guys like Eckley, Taneyhill and Oakes at Poconos. Most if not all of horses are just claimers. Is it the owners or do they just that's all they know how to gas?

my theory is they can improve a claimer much more with their juice than a upper level horse

[The Exporter]

So they can juice and jam. Then, dare a sapp to claim it.

[gogasgoboom]

Wonder if it's easier to manage a stable with claimers. You know where they fit in without all the number of wins and dollars won stuff. Worked with a guy took a good claimer to Stutzman and got turned down. Joe already had horses in that claiming range.

[Pacer 2]

my theory is they can improve a claimer much more with their juice than a upper level horse

[Third Over]

Cuz you can jam them back in 7 days and race against less superior trainers and horses.. it's a completely different strategy when thinking about the quick return compared to protecting the future.. but Oakes can do both, he's had many top stakes horses and a few champions too.!!

[AgentQ]

Just look at the record of most claiming guys when they transitioned to babies, Not pretty.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Eckley has mostly claimers at Monticello. He's leading trainer by over 10 wins.

[thesilentone]

Guys like Eckley, Taneyhill and Oakes at Poconos. Most if not all of horses are just claimers. Is it the owners or do they just that's all they know how to gas?

who’s the top claiming barns?

[Dingus]

who’s the top claiming barns?

It’s more the owners that want these “rentals”.  Stebbins using Presto and others, Najor using various at different tracks, PT Stable, Evan Nation, etc.

[Raging pace]

Presto and pt stable trainers have some really good shit they use in the horses !

[Dingus]

Presto and pt stable trainers have some really good shit they use in the horses !

Sometimes you wonder if it’s the owner or the trainer that has the goods.  As an example, look at Howard Taylor, the owner.

[rainman2]

So they can juice and jam. Then, dare a sapp to claim it.

It's also called rotating your stock when they're claimed from you!

[AgentQ]

It's also called rotating your stock when they're claimed from you!

They only thing they rotate is what they put in their drench. Take that away from the juicers and they resort back to the career nobodies they were. Doesn't matter the circuit, there are always two or three guys that improve every single horse by seconds. If you think they rigged them up any different than the previous guy than you're a moron. Often the care is inferior as these trainers have to have 40 in their barn or they're not happy. That invites grooms rubbing on five or more and it just turns into a factory setting where they get race hard and put away wet. It sickens me to think that the various commissions and track operators are so stupid not to see the contraction in ownership over the past 20 years due to exactly this issue. Per should have been gone a year ago but there he is bidding on yearlings last Fall and now winning hundreds of thousands in purse money. Why the hell would I buy a Penn/NY bred horse to compete against him? Ditto for many others in Ohio. And who in their right mind would send a horse to Ontario only to get 8K bills from Menary. Heck i see even Burke has seen the light and opted for McEnmeny. Cullen can win whenever he wants and he was booted out of Western Canada. Merner, a career nobody is suddenly a top guy. The only path forward is for the commissions to house certain barns on the backstretch. When their numbers plummet, and they will, then you ban them for life. But that isn't going to happen in NY, Ohio, or Ontario so expect to see less and less race dates moving forward and many people contnue to leave the sport and once they are gone they are never coming back. I really hope Kentucky gets it right and by the way they handled Howard Taylor, I certainly think there's hope.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

They only thing they rotate is what they put in their drench. Take that away from the juicers and they resort back to the career nobodies they were. Doesn't matter the circuit, there are always two or three guys that improve every single horse by seconds. If you think they rigged them up any different than the previous guy than you're a moron. Often the care is inferior as these trainers have to have 40 in their barn or they're not happy. That invites grooms rubbing on five or more and it just turns into a factory setting where they get race hard and put away wet. It sickens me to think that the various commissions and track operators are so stupid not to see the contraction in ownership over the past 20 years due to exactly this issue. Per should have been gone a year ago but there he is bidding on yearlings last Fall and now winning hundreds of thousands in purse money. Why the hell would I buy a Penn/NY bred horse to compete against him? Ditto for many others in Ohio. And who in their right mind would send a horse to Ontario only to get 8K bills from Menary. Heck i see even Burke has seen the light and opted for McEnmeny. Cullen can win whenever he wants and he was booted out of Western Canada. Merner, a career nobody is suddenly a top guy. The only path forward is for the commissions to house certain barns on the backstretch. When their numbers plummet, and they will, then you ban them for life. But that isn't going to happen in NY, Ohio, or Ontario so expect to see less and less race dates moving forward and many people contnue to leave the sport and once they are gone they are never coming back. I really hope Kentucky gets it right and by the way they handled Howard Taylor, I certainly think there's hope.

Spot on!