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Title: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Brown jug on April 27, 2022, 04:47:44 PM
look out the burke brigade is coming to a track near you
had 4 in the hackett for fillies and finished 1,2,3
has 5 in the hackett  for colts
that's 9 and 6 of them are downbytheseasides
and then onto the sires/buckeye races where you have  the best from 2021 waiting , gulf shores, sea silk, pebble beach etc
and i assume a bunch of 2 yr olds on the way
unfortunately a lot of small to mid size stables about to get a bad feeling this year
those well saids, pet rocks, yankee cruiser  etc are going to have a tough time chasing burkes downbytheseasides

OUCH!!!
off to the fairs i guess
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Open bridle on April 27, 2022, 06:54:54 PM
I saw how Wrenn opened a hole for Page since their both are playing for the same team. That what happens when the majority of the field is from one barn. The days of a level playing field are over in Ohio. It's a shame all the major Stakes $ is being sucked into Burke's pocket. Feel for the smaller stables.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Brown jug on April 27, 2022, 07:20:22 PM
exactly, i am sure the "rules" among the burke drivers is don't kill/screw each other the first half and after that it is every driver for himself

of course this could be resolved if associations/commissions had the balls to limit the number of horses in any stake final from the same trainer at 2, they can have  2 per elimination or legs but they must pick only 2 for the final ,should especially be the case for regional sires stakes etc races,
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Open bridle on April 27, 2022, 07:32:32 PM
That would be right way, but nothing can be fair when the large stables hold most the chips on the tables. They dominate from the auctions right through to the winner circle. The little guys are left with only the crumbs.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: jupiter on April 27, 2022, 07:41:57 PM
Been like that a long time, where you been.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Open bridle on April 27, 2022, 08:13:58 PM
I don't remember it being so lopsided in Ohio back in the 70's, 80's & 90's as it is now. Of course the purses have change.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Superfecta on April 27, 2022, 08:21:53 PM
I don't remember it being so lopsided in Ohio back in the 70's, 80's & 90's as it is now. Of course the purses have change.

More. More. More.
That's what you guys wanted and now you got it except you will never touch it. Greedy fuckers should have been happy with a high % of a smaller amount compared to 5% if that much of the larger amount.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Here they come on April 27, 2022, 08:32:43 PM
If thatís the case, then why does Matt Kakally park Yannick entire mile in borgata final. They both are drivers for burke. Stop already
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: LUCPARK on April 27, 2022, 08:46:22 PM
The smaller barns will be faded out of racing

In 7 yrs


Yes it takes the  fun outta racing seeing 5 horses from same barn

Looks like OHIO has joined the kiss ass club
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Brown jug on April 27, 2022, 08:55:58 PM
well half the drivers in the filed are "drivers " for burke at some point when you race 300 horses at every track
i am sure matt k would have liked to let yannick go but whatever josh boy had in that 3 had him some hopped up and and matt k lost the battle with the horse
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Here they come on April 27, 2022, 09:15:00 PM
Am talking about regulars for burke. Matt is Pd driver. Yannick big m. Brennan Yonkers. page Ohio.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: augustaandy on April 27, 2022, 09:24:07 PM
everyone can bid on a Seaside

great stallion!
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: LUCPARK on April 27, 2022, 09:32:39 PM
everyone can bid on a Seaside

great stallion!

Fear the dragons will be better this coming yr

Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: wisha roder on April 27, 2022, 10:07:45 PM
Lots of options in Ohio with good purses at all 3 levels.  Yes, there are a lot of big owners now in Ohio with the high purse structure, but that's also a plus for anyone selling a yearling.  It will force broodmare owners to upgrade their stock.  A wise horseman once told me, you breed dogs-you get dogs.  I would agree on the 2 horses per trainer in the finals, but i would be pissed if i owned one of the other horses from the same trainer that got excluded.  Wouldn't work.  If you pay all of the bills, you have a right to race.  I was a little guy in that situation last year against the Beaver brigade, but you take your lumps like everyone else.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Open bridle on April 27, 2022, 10:46:25 PM
Yes everyone doesn't have a choice who owns horses. But the current playing field discourages ownership which isn't good for the sport.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: pocketrocketwinner on April 27, 2022, 11:53:10 PM
If thatís the case, then why does Matt Kakally park Yannick entire mile in borgata final. They both are drivers for burke. Stop already

Kakaley was not capable of handling his horse.  He wanted to let yg take over early but he couldn't hold his horse
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Open bridle on April 28, 2022, 04:30:27 AM
I saw it too. Kakaley's horse was too hot or he would have let him over. Collusion shouldn't be happening especially in any stake finals. It should be an all out war everyone for themselves. It gives the sport a bad look.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: dinkadoo on April 28, 2022, 09:12:37 AM
longtime horsemen from Ohio - so excited when the Racino's added to the purses.

what they got
was extreme competition that most local Ohioans can't comepete against.
Higher bills....
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: LUCPARK on April 28, 2022, 09:56:42 AM
Kakaley was not capable of handling his horse.  He wanted to let yg take over early but he couldn't hold his horse
tmbz1
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: LUCPARK on April 28, 2022, 10:26:47 AM
Lucpark how is horse doing ?  Mine lost by a length to yours last year.

Which horse ?
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Open bridle on April 28, 2022, 10:44:02 AM
Only the following can survive long term in Ohio harness racing now: 1)very wealthy business owner 2) long time owner/trainer 3)hit the lotto yearling purchase or love to lose your money gambler (but for not long). Fractional ownership is ok ,but for almost all still a losing proposition.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Open bridle on April 28, 2022, 11:08:11 AM
Lucpark TLY as a 2yo last year at Hoosier.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: LUCPARK on April 28, 2022, 11:22:51 AM
Lucpark TLY as a 2yo last year at Hoosier.

hes comin along pretty good qualifies next week

hope yours coming along well also tmbz1
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Open bridle on April 28, 2022, 11:26:52 AM
Mine had a lot of soundness issues last year. Hopefully, this year he will do better and hold his own. Good luck on yours.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Brown jug on April 28, 2022, 12:17:19 PM
good feedback
that was really my point is that the landscape has changed now in ohio
burke is buying the seasides( as have others) as he knows he can dominate ohio with them and they have proven already to produce ones that are competitive in the grand circuit
the broodmares will improve but of course the best broodmares will go to seaside so for all those owning the current mediocre mares who get bred to secondary stallions, OUCH!!!
the price to play in ohio is a lot more expensive
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: dinkadoo on April 28, 2022, 07:31:12 PM
Hackett Final fir 3yo CP just raced

1st Burke
2nd Burke
3rd Burke
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Open bridle on April 28, 2022, 07:46:55 PM
Yes, he's has so many good Seasides this year. He probably will sweep the 1st leg of the Sires Stakes next  Sat. also.  1.50 is grand circuit material. I doubt if last yrs champion gulf shores can beat that.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: 3widetooearly on April 29, 2022, 07:45:07 AM
Itís pretty obvious over the past 5 years the 1% big owners/trainers just own the sport. Just crushes the smaller guy obviously but pretty soon Burke will be racing against himself at his own farm. Nothing against the guyÖhe built his stable and has big time money behind me.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Open bridle on April 29, 2022, 09:40:47 AM
What if the money generated in each state for the stake purses stayed in the same state. That would be a new concept. Let's say for Ohio a horse must be Sired and 100% Ohio owned to be eligible to race in any Ohio stake races. All states would have the exact same requirements. Only the Grand Circuit would be open to anyone from anywhere.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: shotgunner on April 29, 2022, 06:54:47 PM
Fear the dragons will be better this coming yr

Someone put a reminder for this Ice Cold takeÖ.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: shotgunner on April 29, 2022, 06:57:34 PM
Yes, he's has so many good Seasides this year. He probably will sweep the 1st leg of the Sires Stakes next  Sat. also.  1.50 is grand circuit material. I doubt if last yrs champion gulf shores can beat that.

Colt hasnít even qualified back yet has he?
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Open bridle on April 29, 2022, 10:24:20 PM
Colt hasnít even qualified back yet has he?
Probably will miss 1st leg of Sires Stakes.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: seen2much on April 30, 2022, 05:13:24 PM
Burke racing & the partners want every last penny. Their greed is bad for the game. It has accelerated the exodus of the few fans that were left.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: jupiter on May 01, 2022, 02:43:38 PM
Same thing, big stables take all the money leave scraps. Think back, it has been that way forever. Both stakes and overnights. The top stables at every track didn't leave much for the small guy. Gee, Seems it was Haughton, Dancer, Miller etc then the Swedes Aussies and Kiwis. It's all about how much you can afford to loose.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Racing Troll on May 01, 2022, 03:27:58 PM
GOOD FOR BURKE, DOING THINGS THE AMERICAN WAY.

FACE FACTS A LOT OF THESE UNDERFUNDED MA & PA STABLE OUTFITS JUST HOLD THE INDUSTRY BACK. FORCING TRACKS TO WRITE RACES FOR JUNK HORSES, THE NEVER WAS, NEVER WILL BE RACE HORSES, YEA LET'S BRING BACK THE 2:10 MILES, JUST LIKE BACK IN THE GOOD OLD DAY
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: dinkadoo on May 01, 2022, 08:09:25 PM
What if the money generated in each state for the stake purses stayed in the same state. That would be a new concept. Let's say for Ohio a horse must be Sired and 100% Ohio owned to be eligible to race in any Ohio stake races. All states would have the exact same requirements. Only the Grand Circuit would be open to anyone from anywhere.
I have always questioned the B and C level casino tracks that race for good money and a couple of times a year will have Invitationals that will go for 100k 200k ++ and if these type of races are really necessary.

As on track handle falls faster than the Titanic and racetrack operations have shifted their business model to online as it obvious by the post time drags and the lack of upgrade in facilities --- Then Why give hundreds of thousands of purse money that is going to be snatched up by out of town trainers / in many cases out of town drivers / out of town owners --- instead of putting that money back into the purse account for the local horsemen and writing series that are dedicated to horsemen that race at that track or that state ?
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Open bridle on May 02, 2022, 06:14:01 AM
I have always questioned the B and C level casino tracks that race for good money and a couple of times a year will have Invitationals that will go for 100k 200k ++ and if these type of races are really necessary.

As on track handle falls faster than the Titanic and racetrack operations have shifted their business model to online as it obvious by the post time drags and the lack of upgrade in facilities --- Then Why give hundreds of thousands of purse money that is going to be snatched up by out of town trainers / in many cases out of town drivers / out of town owners --- instead of putting that money back into the purse account for the local horsemen and writing series that are dedicated to horsemen that race at that track or that state ?
I still say all stakes should be written sired and 100 owned in that state. Keep the money where it came from.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Racing Troll on May 02, 2022, 07:54:18 AM
I still say all stakes should be written sired and 100 owned in that state. Keep the money where it came from.

THEN CASINOS, GOD BLESS THEM, SHOULD BAND ALL OUT OF STATERS FROM GAMBLING IN OHIO. LET YOU CRYBABIES LIVE OFF WHAT YOUR OWN PEOPLE SPEND
. OHIO BILLIES ONLY

MAN PEOPLE LIKE THE ABOVE IDIOT ARE JUST PLAIN FOOLS


NO ID, NO ENTRY. 
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Open bridle on May 02, 2022, 11:03:12 AM
THEN CASINOS, GOD BLESS THEM, SHOULD BAND ALL OUT OF STATERS FROM GAMBLING IN OHIO. LET YOU CRYBABIES LIVE OFF WHAT YOUR OWN PEOPLE SPEND
. OHIO BILLIES ONLY

MAN PEOPLE LIKE THE ABOVE IDIOT ARE JUST PLAIN FOOLS


NO ID, NO ENTRY.
Go back to the hole from where you came from
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Eight Hole Again on May 02, 2022, 06:05:50 PM
The Ohio racing commission has failed to do their stated mission: "dedicated to the protection, preservation and promotion of horse racing and its related industry components. . . . shall use its best efforts to promote horse racing and breeding TO THE CITIZENS OF OHIO". Having said that, it seem the trainers should also be Ohio citizens, that is, permanent residents. Trainers hire grooms and second trainers, buy hay, feed, straw in Ohio, rent stalls, build barns, etc., and pay taxes in Ohio. So not only owned and bred in Ohio, but also trained in Ohio.  This idea has been tossed around for a few years, but the OSRC has done nothing to mandate this, and consequently nothing to promote racing for the citizens of Ohio.  If anyone reading this is serious about stopping what is going on in Ohio, contact the OSRC. The number is 614-466-2757.  We cannot change the rules this year, but changes are badly needed to keep harness racing in Ohio - even for the little guys.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Open bridle on May 02, 2022, 06:34:26 PM
The Ohio racing commission has failed to do their stated mission: "dedicated to the protection, preservation and promotion of horse racing and its related industry components. . . . shall use its best efforts to promote horse racing and breeding TO THE CITIZENS OF OHIO". Having said that, it seem the trainers should also be Ohio citizens, that is, permanent residents. Trainers hire grooms and second trainers, buy hay, feed, straw in Ohio, rent stalls, build barns, etc., and pay taxes in Ohio. So not only owned and bred in Ohio, but also trained in Ohio.  This idea has been tossed around for a few years, but the OSRC has done nothing to mandate this, and consequently nothing to promote racing for the citizens of Ohio.  If anyone reading this is serious about stopping what is going on in Ohio, contact the OSRC. The number is 614-466-2757.  We cannot change the rules this year, but changes are badly needed to keep harness racing in Ohio - even for the little guys.
Totally agree. Ohio horseman need to wise up to the fact that their livelihood is methodically being taken from them. If people from other states want to spend their money at Ohio casinos that's fine. But that money allocated to Ohio racing should be used to promote Ohio.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Brown jug on May 02, 2022, 10:16:06 PM
just another commission that has failed
of course it depends where you are in the pecking order in ohio
right now breeders are loving burke and others bidding up their horses, especially the seasides
and the drivers will gladly drive one of the many burke horses in each race
but the other  trainers and smaller owners are getting crushed
so some breeders and drivers enjoying the ride, other small breeders and trainers not so much
and now and more so in the next few years the prices for poorly bred ohio horses will sell for nothing because people know they can beat burke



Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: dinkadoo on May 04, 2022, 10:16:40 AM
The Ohio racing commission has failed to do their stated mission: "dedicated to the protection, preservation and promotion of horse racing and its related industry components. . . .
protection - drug testing program is horrible
protection - does the customer feel protected ?  ( speaking of the gambler although horsemen feel like they are
     the customer )
Promotion --- What a Joke...
   Allow tracks to switch to day time / week day racing --- that's promoting
   Allow Miami Valley to build a flat grandstand... There's promoting the product, look up and watch it on TV
   Allow Scioto for YEEEEEEeeeears get away with no grandstand.

Racing Comission are a bunch state politicians that like bobble heads, nod their heads up and down to whatever the casino wants.
For that Matter -- OHHA is not much different. Wouldn't it be beneficial to try and grow the product ? Isn't that the goal of any business ? Yet in harness racing in
Ohio -- we continue to go backwards.
race afternoon
race weekdays only
facilities are a dump -- been to Northfield ? If your answer was I was there 20 years ago, bingo, it hasn't changed.
Protections of local Ohio Horsemen ?  ngc3
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: jupiter on May 04, 2022, 02:00:31 PM
You hillbillies just figuring this out, you had your heads in your asses for years. It's ok for Ohio owners to go to any other state but if you are not a resident of Ohio you can't race. That is just plain STUPID. What you expect from the state that gave us Roger the louse
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Open bridle on May 04, 2022, 04:50:10 PM
protection - drug testing program is horrible
protection - does the customer feel protected ?  ( speaking of the gambler although horsemen feel like they are
     the customer )
Promotion --- What a Joke...
   Allow tracks to switch to day time / week day racing --- that's promoting
   Allow Miami Valley to build a flat grandstand... There's promoting the product, look up and watch it on TV
   Allow Scioto for YEEEEEEeeeears get away with no grandstand.

Racing Comission are a bunch state politicians that like bobble heads, nod their heads up and down to whatever the casino wants.
For that Matter -- OHHA is not much different. Wouldn't it be beneficial to try and grow the product ? Isn't that the goal of any business ? Yet in harness racing in
Ohio -- we continue to go backwards.
race afternoon
race weekdays only
facilities are a dump -- been to Northfield ? If your answer was I was there 20 years ago, bingo, it hasn't changed.
Protections of local Ohio Horsemen ?  ngc3
The casino subsidies are the only reason this dying industry isn't back to being just a fair pastime.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Parked on May 04, 2022, 05:03:21 PM
Aint goin ta happenÖ..
Breeders run the show and if the big swingers ainít at the sales prices are off.   Sorry but thats the way it is ..
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Eight Hole Again on May 05, 2022, 11:06:24 PM
Nothing will improve if the horsemen and women don't do anything. Everyone is busy but this is very important to each of you if you train or race in Ohio. OHHA website has contact information for the board of directors and each district's director. Racing commission also has contact information. Make a call, write a letter, send an e-mail. Get off your duffs, quit standing around the paddocks and complaining and do something constructive! Like was said above, the racing commission allowed Scioto Downs blow smoke in their faces for years. It's time they are held accountable to cooperate with horsemen and promote Ohio racing, not give it away.  Only the horsemen can do it.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Joe Dirt on May 06, 2022, 07:26:34 AM
 HAVE THE BALD HEADED SNAKE, KEIDEL WRITE A 5 CLAIMER FOR OHIO OWNED AND BRED, WE KNOW THAT IS ALL REAL OHIOANS OWN, BOTTOM LEVEL JUNK

PROBLEM SOLVED FOR ALL YOU CRY FUKN BABIES
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Open bridle on May 06, 2022, 11:47:53 AM
HAVE THE BALD HEADED SNAKE, KEIDEL WRITE A 5 CLAIMER FOR OHIO OWNED AND BRED, WE KNOW THAT IS ALL REAL OHIOANS OWN, BOTTOM LEVEL JUNK

PROBLEM SOLVED FOR ALL YOU CRY FUKN BABIES
2yo horse of year Monti Miki & 1st /2nd 2yo breeders crown all Ohio owned. Obviously you lived a miserable life or you wouldn't make a comment like this.
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: jupiter on May 07, 2022, 07:49:32 PM
How much will Burke take from Ohio today??
Title: Re: run for the hills in ohio
Post by: Brown jug on May 08, 2022, 08:44:56 PM
yikes
that is a beatdown
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