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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Cashout on August 22, 2026, 10:47:09 AM
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I just looked at Saturday night’s meadowlands card , Gural really outdid himself with this one. The worst garbage ever to race at the meadowlands. Thanks Jeff
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I just looked at Saturday night’s meadowlands card , Gural really outdid himself with this one. The worst garbage ever to race at the meadowlands. Thanks Jeff
Thats because Pocono is having a huge purse night. All the great horses are there tonight!
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Thats because Pocono is having a huge purse night. All the great horses are there tonight!
Day card doody brain ngc3
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Thats because Pocono is having a huge purse night. All the great horses are there tonight!
Meadowlands only has a handful of good cards all meet, the rest of the time it's Freehold North, trackmaster, amateur..
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Meadowlands only has a handful of good cards all meet, the rest of the time it's Freehold North, trackmaster, amateur..
Horses normally dont race day cards and then night cards ya DUMBASS!!!~ ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Your comment makes no sense, then again, I forgot you're a stupid MORON.
I don't care whether it's day or night, on most racing days or nights, the quality of racing at Meadowlands isn't what it used to be.
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Your comment makes no sense, then again, I forgot you're a stupid MORON.
I don't care whether it's day or night, on most racing days or nights, the quality of racing at Meadowlands isn't what it used to be.
She's metally retarded, she just referred to the Poconos (2:30 PM) start as a night card. The sun won't even set until almost an hour after their last race.
Yet she criticizes.
She couldn't get laid in a prison full of rapists ugly bitch Pacer 2 ngc3
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More gamblers will bet the horrible Meadowlands card.
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More gamblers will bet the horrible Meadowlands card.
Paradox, because that's the reason they'll bet the BigM ngc3
As long as they race they'll have the #1 handle tmbz1
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Anywhere between 30% and 50% of The Meadowlands handle is CAW
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Anywhere between 30% and 50% of The Meadowlands handle is CAW
That's true too.
0.000000000000000 1% is G's bookie laying off his action ngc3
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Horses normally dont race day cards and then night cards ya DUMBASS!!!~ ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
And you complain about Sweet responding to every post.
You should take some Ex-Lax.
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That's true too.
0.000000000000000 1% is G's bookie laying off his action ngc3
ngc3..and yes definitely true.. no doubt
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That's true too.
0.000000000000000 1% is G's bookie laying off his action ngc3
G has no choice but to bet with his bookie because he claims the tax rate on gambling winnings in NY is 57%.
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Horrible card . Yonkers looks better this afternoon and obviously Pocono
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Horrible card . Yonkers looks better this afternoon and obviously Pocono
Meadowlands will handle more than both combined.
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And you complain about Sweet responding to every post.
You should take some Ex-Lax.
You should go play in traffic. Count Sweets responses compared to mine DUMBASS!!! 11,300 to my 2800? Do some research before you spew your nonsense on here!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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You should go play in traffic. Count Sweets responses compared to mine DUMBASS!!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Ok annoying as fuck ngc3
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Meadowlands will handle more than both combined.
That is probably correct, but it doesn't change the fact that the card sucks.
Anywhere between 30% and 50% of The Meadowlands handle is CAW
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That is probably correct, but it doesn't change the fact that the card sucks.
Anywhere between 30% and 50% of The Meadowlands handle is CAW
More eyeballs will be watching M1.
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More eyeballs will be watching M1.
True, starting in about race 3 once Pocono's card is done
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The title of this thread tries to overstate its case even with proportionality.. .
"The worst garbage of all time"
Just don't bet it.
I would, if I could put together winners, hit a fucking dd.
It's the place to be for a big a score, vertical for sure.
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Hoosier the track people are falling over to say how wonderful it was to take the Hambo away from the Meadowlands had a handle of 690K for 14 races while the Big M handled 1.9 million for 13 races
lets see how Pocono fairs today
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You should go play in traffic. Count Sweets responses compared to mine DUMBASS!!! 11,300 to my 2800? Do some research before you spew your nonsense on here!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Your responses are so predictable and asinine.
It’s like taking candy from a baby.
Did you forget to take your Midol?
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Your responses are so predictable and asinine.
It’s like taking candy from a baby.
Did you forget to take your Midol?
You started . With lies. I responded DUMB ASSHOLE! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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You started . With lies. I responded DUMB ASSHOLE! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
What didn't you like about my post that said...
Ugly girl that your are, you couldn't get laid in a prison full of rapists ngc3
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The title of this thread tries to overstate its case even with proportionality.. .
"The worst garbage of all time"
Just don't bet it.
I would, if I could put together winners, hit a fucking dd.
It's the place to be for a big a score, vertical for sure.
they arent even averaging 50K per race....the shitting on the only track people bet on in the usa just shows how many morons exist on this board
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they arent even averaging 50K per race....the shitting on the only track people bet on in the usa just shows how many morons exist on this board
I speak and read multiple languages including English, the latter fluently. I speak plop, OG plop, LUCPARK, JOHN FRANK...please re-write that and accept my apologies in the future I'll learn to speak Laag too if we can't meet half way universally ngc3
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they arent even averaging 50K per race....the shitting on the only track people bet on in the usa just shows how many morons exist on this board
30% to 50% CAW
Not to be celebrated.. it kills the gambler.
Without gambling..no racing
I appreciate your passion for The Meadowlands
I relished the chance to bet there in the 90's and 2000's when I was younger at Scioto
But without a casino, its cooked
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Meadowlands will handle more than both combined.
They did. Yonkers did around $210,000 and Pocono less than $800,000 while the Meadowlands did around $1.9 million.
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Who cares what they handle? The product being put out on a Saturday night is laughable. BigM is the Mecca of nothing anymore. They have a couple good cards a year and lost one of those. Fuck the Meadowlands! I've started to love betting Saratoga T-breds. Might have to make a trip up there next summer. tmbz1
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Who cares what they handle??? That’s asinine comment. Meadowlands operates without a Casino—yet still outhandles 3 tracks combined totals and they HAVE a Casino. True the quality of horses has declined—but that’s across the board. Gamblers like the Big M-as long as fields are competitive-it makes for a acceptable wagering product. I see Tbreds all the time—cheap claimers outhandle the better class horses at other tracks .Yonkers could take a note about racing on Saturday afternoon instead of at night—very poor decision. They lose overseas viewers and have to compete with more racing all over the country on a Saturday after noon. That’s why Meadowlands is smart racing on Friday and Saturday nights—gets the most viewers.
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Harness racing completely failed for the gambler that organically sustained it.
Even winter racing in favorable climates, finished.
HR makes the point to the racing executives...I'm not quitting, and next year I commit...those are huge words.
Unfortunately the grass is not greener.
The drugs and corruption have to stop, regulatory ain't doing their job anytime soon, I wouldn't stand in the way of vigilante justice for those that INSIDE TRADE & MANIPULATE, corrupt our market, would you?
If Gural gets his casino and decoupling happens in NY, PA, Ohio, the industry is being called like a freshly deceased corpse.
T-bred is next to head the way of the harness racing dodo bird. Strung together globally cohesively but the shit show will rear its head at some point if the bs doesn't stop.
Evolution ;D
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Who cares what they handle??? That’s asinine comment. Meadowlands operates without a Casino—yet still outhandles 3 tracks combined totals and they HAVE a Casino. True the quality of horses has declined—but that’s across the board. Gamblers like the Big M-as long as fields are competitive-it makes for a acceptable wagering product. I see Tbreds all the time—cheap claimers outhandle the better class horses at other tracks .Yonkers could take a note about racing on Saturday afternoon instead of at night—very poor decision. They lose overseas viewers and have to compete with more racing all over the country on a Saturday after noon. That’s why Meadowlands is smart racing on Friday and Saturday nights—gets the most viewers.
tmbz1 tmbz1
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Who cares what they handle??? That’s asinine comment. Meadowlands operates without a Casino—yet still outhandles 3 tracks combined totals and they HAVE a Casino. True the quality of horses has declined—but that’s across the board. Gamblers like the Big M-as long as fields are competitive-it makes for a acceptable wagering product. I see Tbreds all the time—cheap claimers outhandle the better class horses at other tracks .Yonkers could take a note about racing on Saturday afternoon instead of at night—very poor decision. They lose overseas viewers and have to compete with more racing all over the country on a Saturday after noon. That’s why Meadowlands is smart racing on Friday and Saturday nights—gets the most viewers.
If it is smart for Meadowlands to race on Friday and Saturday NIGHTS because of more viewers, then why was and has been the Hambo card in the afternoon?
Handle doesn't mean as much as ya think when almost half of it is CAW.
It wouldn't matter what time Yonkers raced
Its a corrupt cesspool with a shitty racing product
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Who cares what they handle??? That’s asinine comment. Meadowlands operates without a Casino—yet still outhandles 3 tracks combined totals and they HAVE a Casino. True the quality of horses has declined—but that’s across the board. Gamblers like the Big M-as long as fields are competitive-it makes for a acceptable wagering product. I see Tbreds all the time—cheap claimers outhandle the better class horses at other tracks .Yonkers could take a note about racing on Saturday afternoon instead of at night—very poor decision. They lose overseas viewers and have to compete with more racing all over the country on a Saturday after noon. That’s why Meadowlands is smart racing on Friday and Saturday nights—gets the most viewers.
I forgot how smart you are. That handle you speak of is from a very minor percentage of bettors. CAW's inflate it significantly! The average bettor such as myself, and most likely everyone else on this board are getting screwed with the late odds shifts. All the late bets getting jammed through at the last second has made the BigM a bad play for the average guy. Harness in general offers the bettors an inferior product. I usually only play harness anymore on stakes cards.
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If it is smart for Meadowlands to race on Friday and Saturday NIGHTS because of more viewers, then why was and has been the Hambo card in the afternoon?
Handle doesn't mean as much as ya think when almost half of it is CAW.
It wouldn't matter what time Yonkers raced
Its a corrupt cesspool with a shitty racing product
The Hambo must be run during daylight hours.
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The Hambo must be run during daylight hours.
tmbz1
If it is smart for Meadowlands to race on Friday and Saturday NIGHTS because of more viewers, then why was and has been the Hambo card in the afternoon?
Handle doesn't mean as much as ya think when almost half of it is CAW.
It wouldn't matter what time Yonkers raced
Its a corrupt cesspool with a shitty racing product
Very good question.
Answer in short according to all the involved powers to be...
"Contract Rule: The agreement between event organizers (Hambletonian Society) and host tracks explicitly specifies a daylight start. National Television: An afternoon slot fits prime national sports windows on networks like Fox Sports, maximizing reach.Tradition and Atmosphere: Day racing sets a festive gala environment with trackside activities, hat contests, and family events rather than a routine night program.Global Wagering: Afternoon pacing aligns better with international broadcast and commingled wagering schedules, particularly for European fans following the sport."
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The Hambo must be run during daylight hours.
The Hambo must be run during daylight hours.
Thanks for the info tmbz1
Was always wondering why a daytime start..its in the contract
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"The Hambletonian Society requires the Hambletonian to run during the day because it is written into the event's official contract and tradition. While regular harness racing at venues like The Meadowlands happens at night, the Hambletonian stands apart as an exclusive afternoon showcase."
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I forgot how smart you are. That handle you speak of is from a very minor percentage of bettors. CAW's inflate it significantly! The average bettor such as myself, and most likely everyone else on this board are getting screwed with the late odds shifts. All the late bets getting jammed through at the last second has made the BigM a bad play for the average guy. Harness in general offers the bettors an inferior product. I usually only play harness anymore on stakes cards.
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Big M is working on your problem.
While the Big M management publicly announced plans to block Computer-Assisted Wagering groups from betting into the win pools within two minutes of post time, they have faced complex infrastructure roadblocks:
System Integration Issues: Track officials confirmed they hit significant "bumps in the road" trying to get their totalizator provider, BetMakers, to successfully configure the automated lockout system.
Regulatory Delays: The track is still actively working alongside the New Jersey Racing Commission (NJRC) to clear the administrative and procedural hurdles required to enforce a hard automated cutoff.
Contrasting with Thoroughbreds: Unlike The Meadowlands, which is still trying to get the tech online, the New York Racing Association (NYRA) successfully adhered to a 2-minute win pool lockout and aggressively expanded their rules to strictly throttle all other pools to a maximum of six bets per second once the countdown hits the final minutes.
The Meadowlands remains committed to getting the 2-minute restriction fully operational to eliminate the late odds drops that infuriate their core players. However, the software realities of handling high-speed data streams mean a functional, strict stoppage is not yet fully executed at their wagering windows.
There are 2 tracks that restrict CAW wagering—and has resulted in more on track handle.
Del Mar and Santa Anita (California): Following the successful blueprint mapped out by New York, California’s premier circuits enacted strict rules barring CAW players from making win bets inside two minutes to post. The decision followed immense public backlash over eye-watering, last-second odds crashes during major summer meets.
The New York Racing Association (NYRA): NYRA remains the absolute gold standard for aggressive restriction. Beyond their original 2-minute win pool ban, they completely barred CAWs from high-value multi-race exotics like the Late Pick 5 and Pick 6. They also introduced a hard 1-minute cutoff across almost all other exotic pools, forcing robotic syndicates to throttle down to human speeds (maximum 6 bets per second) if they want to wager late.
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Hoosier Racing sucks Lousy Pools No interest
Grade B. Drivers at best
Pocono. so so tough to bet
Meadowlands. Best for wagering in Harness Racing
Mohawk Tough track to beat
Yonkers Jury is Out...Bettable
Kentucky Tracks Great for owners.
Most are unbettable.
Ohio. Grade B but decent
Illinois Out of Business
Michigan Out of Business
Calif Out of Business
Value is Tbreds. Saratoga, Fairgounds, Oaklawn
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If it is smart for Meadowlands to race on Friday and Saturday NIGHTS because of more viewers, then why was and has been the Hambo card in the afternoon?
Handle doesn't mean as much as ya think when almost half of it is CAW.
It wouldn't matter what time Yonkers raced
Its a corrupt cesspool with a shitty racing product
The "Society" has rules that stipulate it must be on a two turn oval and it must be raced in the afternoon
they usually race vs Whitney Day at Saratoga and be better if they changed the rules to race night
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The "Society" has rules that stipulate it must be on a two turn oval and it must be raced in the afternoon
they usually race vs Whitney Day at Saratoga and be better if they changed the rules to race night
tmbz1
I didn't know that was in their contract
Trig posted the details above
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tmbz1
I didn't know that was in their contract
Trig posted the details above
sorry I was late to the party
still waking up
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sorry I was late to the party
still waking up
GC was at Studio 54 last night partying after his enormous 43 score in the Alabama ngc3
Great work man, rest up, we need your brain today! ;D
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They did. Yonkers did around $210,000 and Pocono less than $800,000 while the Meadowlands did around $1.9 million.
Total Nightly Handle: $1,796,351.38 officially
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They did. Yonkers did around $210,000 and Pocono less than $800,000 while the Meadowlands did $1,796,351.38.
Hoosier did around $620,000.
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Hoosier did around $620,000.
The whole subject is laughable. More people are interested in Meadowlands Harness Racing than any other track in North America. Also, 99% of horsemen would rather race at The Meadowlands. Almost all say winning a race at The Meadowlands was the highlight of their career. Finally, I have yet to see an interview where a driver said that winning a race at Hoosier Park was a lifelong goal. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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A driving double for Will Rixon. I never heard of him.
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Even though the racing at Meadowlands isn't what it once used to be it still has name recognition and will always outhandle other tracks on most nights. The only exception would be on a handful of nights when Mohawk has big races.
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A driving double for Will Rixon. I never heard of him.
More people bet on his races where he won than the Brandon Blvd/Dexter Dunn race at Poconos. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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More people bet on his races where he won than the Brandon Blvd/Dexter Dunn race at Poconos. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
And according to Jeff Gural he's out of pocket if they handle under 3 mil a card. Have to rely on a 10 mil subsidy from the state to continue. Hambo is gone, no casino in sight. Racing 2 nights a week.
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And according to Jeff Gural he's out of pocket if they handle under 3 mil a card. Have to rely on a 10 mil subsidy from the state to continue. Hambo is gone, no casino in sight. Racing 2 nights a week.
So what, thousands of companies are paid subsidies by states throughout the USA.
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And according to Jeff Gural he's out of pocket if they handle under 3 mil a card. Have to rely on a 10 mil subsidy from the state to continue. Hambo is gone, no casino in sight. Racing 2 nights a week.
$750,000 a night operating cost give or take.
Speaking of $10 mil....needs a $10 mil nightly handle to get the purses up commensurately and get the best of the best in horses and drivers of NA permanently to sustain it.
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A driving double for Will Rixon. I never heard of him.
I haven't either. Must work for someone. Was used by a couple trainers with decent success.
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He's 25 and a driver in Australia on vacation in the US. He's friends with Todd McCarthy and staying with him and hopes to pick up some drives.
He has close to 1000 wins.
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Did pretty good for the few drives he got.
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Did pretty good for the few drives he got.
Yes he did!
Were the races Freehold north horses?
The only drawback is that this was not the normal Saturday night drivers at the Big M. The regulars were at Pocono for sun stakes day.
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He's only here for a few months on vacation while Australia isn't racing, staying with his friend Todd McCarthy.
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He's only here for a few months on vacation while Australia isn't racing, staying with his friend Todd McCarthy.
Didn't the McCarthy's start this way as well as Dunn?
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A driving double for Will Rixon. I never heard of him.
Figures! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Actually Luke McCarthy came over before Andrew and then Todd a few years later. Dunn came from New Zealand. Think they all came because the money is so much better over here.
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Actually Luke McCarthy came over before Andrew and then Todd a few years later. Dunn came from New Zealand. Think they all came because the money is so much better over here.
And less competition?
They drove in larger field on smaller tracks too.
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I've actually seen some harness races on the grass from one of the Australia tracks.
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I've actually seen some harness races on the grass from one of the Australia tracks.
didn't the meadowlands try this a while ago?
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I think they did, think it was just a novelty over here that wouldn't fly.
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I think they did, think it was just a novelty over here that wouldn't fly.
Was it more dangerous here?
Down under, they prepare for racing better.
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Yes it’s awesome to see the better ones race but really to the harness race gambler what’s the difference between a mile in 55 or one in 50?Actually, the cheaper races allow you to toss out 1/2 the field whereby the better classes do not.’
I enjoy a mix of some of each.
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The Hambo is gone
The glory days of the sport are gone
Only thing to do is accept todays product without constantly comparing it to racing in days gone by.
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Actually Luke McCarthy came over before Andrew and then Todd a few years later. Dunn came from New Zealand. Think they all came because the money is so much better over here.
Yes, Luke drove Muscle Hill to victory in the World Trotting Derby (I think that is what it was called). Sears was supposed to drive, but if I recall, the races were delayed at Duquoin and Sears had to leave for Mohawk drives. Greg Peck contacted McCarthy, who was in the country and on his way to a sports bar. McCarthy drove like 4 hours and made it in time to drive and get the win. Not sure why Luke never came over for more time.