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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: captaintreacherous on July 18, 2026, 06:33:21 AM
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The Adios may have been a top tier race 40 years ago...
but is more like a Grade 2 Event and that is being generous.
First of all..."The Meadows" is a Tier 2 track
with Tier 2 and 3 drivers...
This years race is so poor ...fillies are entering
and just may beat all the "Stallions"
Filly is 2-1 Fav to win the Adios.
Weak Field....Where is Brandon and Beau?
Where is Dexter Dunn?
Burke 5 entries???? Gimme a freakin break.
To the Adios.......I will just say....
"Adios"
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The Adios may have been a top tier race 40 years ago...
but is more like a Grade 2 Event and that is being generous.
First of all..."The Meadows" is a Tier 2 track
with Tier 2 and 3 drivers...
This years race is so poor ...fillies are entering
and just may beat all the "Stallions"
Filly is 2-1 Fav to win the Adios.
Weak Field....Where is Brandon and Beau?
Where is Dexter Dunn?
Burke 5 entries???? Gimme a freakin break.
To the Adios.......I will just say....
"Adios"
There are a number of reasons for this:
1) The abandonment of heat racing. Now every event takes two or three weeks to context (eliminations, final, week off). The Meadows had to change the traditional date of the race to fit this into the schedule.
2) The sire stakes especially in Ohio and KY. Horses can earn substantial purse money racing mainly in sire stakes. Duel eligibility in KY has made this even more significant.
3) The Meadows itself. The Meadows does not care about racing. They race when most people in prime earning years cannot go or even wager. Adios week was once loaded with races for the best horses. As soon as the Adios is contested next week, all of the top drivers will leave immediately to get to the Meadowlands for Hambo eliminations.
This is Burke's home track so he likes to win this race and he like to race in the Jug.
Burke said this is the best filly he has ever trained. This race may determine if she ever races against the top colts.
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Kenny, spot on 100%. I could not have said point 3 any better.
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Yanick no show A Mac not driving. J mac subbing on mots of them
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Neither McCarthy showed up today...Did I.C.E. get 'em ??
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Though I agree the Adios has lost some luster and yes I guess it shouldn't be Grade 1, which is a weak
attempt to emulate T-Breds anyway, I disagree about the race this year. I really think once they shave off the lesser
horses today [They'll be a surprise or two that don't make it] it sets up to be a damn good race next week.
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I turned on the broadcast. The announcer said the drivers have travel issues. Gringras is expected for race 6.
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Didn't expect him to leave. With open draw , still surprised. Needed the start, Had the 1 in the double for a shot.
The filly 'might' need to stick to her kind. Time will tell. Go NO WAITLIST tmbz1
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Now I hear the winners get to pick. ;D
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Too much for my horse sadly. Got 5th. Will be a huge speed factor at least if he makes the final.
Disappointing to say the least. Fabulous looking horse regardless. 53.1 last half. Boy what a terrible
bunch this year huh Capt? ;D
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I liked Mamba Man with his 49:3 win over the winner
of the 2nd division with a 1:47:2?
Times only mean something when you are in jail.
2/5 shot got brave off a 25 second first 1/4 cut by
a no shot longshot...then finished well.
Why put a filly in this race against colts??
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You're the expert, you tell us!
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Odds On Mr Mamba 6 1/1H 1/1Q 1/1H 1/1 1/NK 1:49.3 27.2 ----Loua Dipa was 4th as well so Burke was over confident with her to supplement.
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Burke always sings high praises for his horses, it's at his home track, and what's $35,000 to them, chump change.
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i dont think she was supplemented, she was eligible to the filly race. Loua Dipa didnt race badly and the whole point is to win next week. She want catching Mamba and she finished 4th but it was less than a length. Why not see how she rates with the boys. With a good post next week and with a bunch of Burke horses in the final, she could be right there. AI Papi and Melillo raced huge again and I think they are the bigger threats to Mamba who I will easily bet against next week
what a waste of money on No Waitlist, horse isnt that good and has never proven anything why would they think they can just bottom a field out like that
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Weak Field....Where is Brandon and Beau?
Where is Dexter Dunn?
Burke 5 entries???? Gimme a freakin break.
To the Adios.......I will just say....
"Adios"
[quote author=captaintreacherous link=topic=84438.msg1272048#
Where is Dexter
"Adios"
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You FCKIN IDIOT
WHY WOOD DEX BE THERE HES LOCKED IN TO BRANDON BLVD
LEARN THE GAME HEBREW
Brandon raced last week. Nit wit
they obviously chose the bigm pace OVER THE ADIOS
Jangles is sick or hurt
Nothin worse than a know it all MATZAH BALL
that knows nothin ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
LEARN THE GAME YOU FCKIN NITWIT ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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[quote author=captaintreacherous link=topic=84438.msg1272048#
Where is Dexter
Dexter is at Scioto
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Not important enough to have a story about the elim finishes, still nothing on USTA
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It's on the Standardbred Canada website.
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Loua Dipa raced well
normally she would have just sat the pocket and the finish would have been much closer
Wrenn pulled pocket to allow TT to come up cones with Frantic Hanover-another Burke entry-so he could also make the Final
intentional pocket pull with no intent to win the race--over all a solid effort by the filly still only beaten one length
she fits and that why they raced her against the boys
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Here let me write the story...
1st elim...
OOMM schooled the w2w and though showing win by a neck, no one was catching that sob. Flawless drive by JMac keeping the horse content under a stranglehold the whole race. Horse has mega sh!t in the tank for the finals.
2nd elim...
Rabbit No Waitlist set the stage for a brush and all out win under wraps for equine terrorist Al Papi, Melillo looked great coming home for second. Unfortunately both colts blew their 3 yo old loads all over Washington, Pa, track custodians are still squeegeeing up their jizz ngc3 so they're done and done in the winning time of 147 2/5.
Final, since OOMM kept a couple seconds in the tank in his 149 2/5 easy romp, let's hand him the trophy now. ngc3
Until next time....! ;D
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Loua Dipa raced well
normally she would have just sat the pocket and the finish would have been much closer
Wrenn pulled pocket to allow TT to come up cones with Frantic Hanover-another Burke entry-so he could also make the Final
intentional pocket pull with no intent to win the race--over all a solid effort by the filly still only beaten one length
she fits and that why they raced her against the boys
In your mind, since you're capable of reading Ronnie Wrenn's mind, he had no intent on winning the race even though the elimination winners get to pick their post in the finals, nice try, but I'm not buying it. He was trying to win but wasn't good enough.
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Oye vey....nothing worse than a know it all goy
from the Midwest , no less.
Dex a catch driver...seems any horse he gets on
goes well.
If trainers know he is available he may just get a good one
to drive
Adios Final 4pm if he made it ...draw good
if not he takes off the mount
For the $400k Final ...a maybe
Got it?
PAL
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In your mind, since you're capable of reading Ronnie Wrenn's mind, he had no intent on winning the race even though the elimination winners get to pick their post in the finals, nice try, but I'm not buying it. He was trying to win but wasn't good enough.
if he was trying to win he would have sat in the pocket instead of letting his team mate qualify for the Final
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Your theory is based on him pulling to the outside rather than waiting for the passing lane. Sitting in the 2 hole at the top of the stretch some drivers would come to the outside while others would wait for the passing lane. It's true, if you choose to come to the outside, you're helping out the horse sitting behind you, and I've gotten beaten many times by drivers doing it. In an elimination for a big race like this the goal is to worry about yourself first and make the finals, when you start playing around bad things can happen. Wrenn is not going to blame games with Burke's best horse and risk losing his account.
You can think whatever you want but Wrenn didn't go into the race to help Frantic Hanover make the finals, which he would have no chance of winning. If he did, and instead of finishing 4th, he didn't make the finals he'd be in hot water with Burke.
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[quote author=captaintreacherous link=topic=84438.msg1272048#
Where is Dexter
"Adios"
You FCKIN IDIOT
WHY WOOD DEX BE THERE HES LOCKED IN TO BRANDON BLVD
LEARN THE GAME HEBREW
Brandon raced last week. Nit wit
they obviously chose the bigm pace OVER THE ADIOS
Jangles is sick or hurt
Nothin worse than a know it all MATZAH BALL
that knows nothin ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
LEARN THE GAME YOU FCKIN NITWIT ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
This comment speaks for itself. Everyone can see this person is in need of urgent inpatient mental health and substance abuse care.
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In your mind, since you're capable of reading Ronnie Wrenn's mind, he had no intent on winning the race even though the elimination winners get to pick their post in the finals, nice try, but I'm not buying it. He was trying to win but wasn't good enough.
Sweet our what ever name he is using does not know the game. He is a degenerate gambler and a degenerate human being who posts like some teenager with no friends posting on Facebook.
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Your theory is based on him pulling to the outside rather than waiting for the passing lane. Sitting in the 2 hole at the top of the stretch some drivers would come to the outside while others would wait for the passing lane. It's true, if you choose to come to the outside, you're helping out the horse sitting behind you, and I've gotten beaten many times by drivers doing it. In an elimination for a big race like this the goal is to worry about yourself first and make the finals, when you start playing around bad things can happen. Wrenn is not going to blame games with Burke's best horse and risk losing his account.
You can think whatever you want but Wrenn didn't go into the race to help Frantic Hanover make the finals, which he would have no chance of winning. If he did, and instead of finishing 4th, he didn't make the finals he'd be in hot water with Burke.
Learn the game. Wrenn is trying to catch a horse who regularly paces 25 and 25 second final quarters. He is not going to wait like Palone trying to pass som claimer.
As far as next week going, Al Papi went a monster mile in the Pace as did Melillo. Both raced in a distance race before that. They are both as tight as they will be. If Papi Rob Hanover had not been injured, Tall Dark Stranger would not have been horse of the year that year.
Burke wants his filly to win the race.
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Sweet our what ever name he is using does not know the game. He is a degenerate gambler and a degenerate human being who posts like some teenager with no friends posting on Facebook.
tmbz1 tmbz1 ngc3 ngc3
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Missed them both because I was at Scioto. Just watched the replays
We are in for a great final next week.
These were just elims..don't get caught up reading to much into it when the ultimate goal is just to qualify for the final.
6 of the horses in the elims could win the final
If I had to choose a winner it'd be OOMM
Lou Dipa, Frantic, AL Papi,Melillo, or Sweet Lovin Lou all could win.
I don't think that was Lou Dipa's best effort. She is capable of going faster
Sweet Lovin Lou is battle tested and had to deal with post 8. Never underestimate Scotty Z in a big race at probably close to 10-1
Al Papi is rounding into serious form.. he benefited off wicked fractions.
Yannick will try to gun him to the lead that's his style obviously
Frantic closed the best after leaving hard in his elim
That race looked easy for OOMM. He should have some serious juice left in the tank for next week and he looked comfortable on the smaller track
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Missed them both because I was at Scioto. Just watched the replays
We are in for a great final next week.
These were just elims..don't get caught up reading to much into it when the ultimate goal is just to qualify for the final.
6 of the horses in the elims could win the final
If I had to choose a winner it'd be OOMM
Lou Dipa, Frantic, AL Papi,Melillo, or Sweet Lovin Lou all could win.
I don't think that was Lou Dipa's best effort. She is capable of going faster
Sweet Lovin Lou is battle tested and had to deal with post 8. Never underestimate Scotty Z in a big race at probably close to 10-1
Al Papi is rounding into serious form.. he benefited off wicked fractions.
Yannick will try to gun him to the lead that's his style obviously
Frantic closed the best after leaving hard in his elim
That race looked easy for OOMM. He should have some serious juice left in the tank for next week and he looked comfortable on the smaller track
We'll get 2-1 or better on OOMM with this hoopla ngc3
From dead last, w2w, the little guy is amazing!
Bad strategy putting him in that cheap Hoosier stakes race following his big win included in b2b races in that series at Mohawk.
2-1 baby! ;D
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Your theory is based on him pulling to the outside rather than waiting for the passing lane. Sitting in the 2 hole at the top of the stretch some drivers would come to the outside while others would wait for the passing lane. It's true, if you choose to come to the outside, you're helping out the horse sitting behind you, and I've gotten beaten many times by drivers doing it. In an elimination for a big race like this the goal is to worry about yourself first and make the finals, when you start playing around bad things can happen. Wrenn is not going to blame games with Burke's best horse and risk losing his account.
You can think whatever you want but Wrenn didn't go into the race to help Frantic Hanover make the finals, which he would have no chance of winning. If he did, and instead of finishing 4th, he didn't make the finals he'd be in hot water with Burke.
he absolutely knew TT was behind him and he purposely pulled the pocket to allow him to advance inside
you can think whatever you want
im not here to name call , attack , insult or use genitalia as a response(male or female)--you have your opinion and i have mine-no worries there
good luck to you tmbz1
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One final comment. I agree, he knew Frantic Hanover was behind him, and yes, pulling to the outside would improve his chances of making the finals, where we disagree is whether he was or wasn't trying to win by doing so, I say yes, you say no. I go back to my previous point which is, what if by helping Frantic Hanover by pulling instead of sitting, she faded out of the top 4 and didn't advance but Frantic did, would you still be saying the same thing?
I feel your theory that he wasn't trying to win is the mindset of some people who are turned off by harness racing because they think alot of races are staged, I'm not saying some aren't but don't believe it happens in big races. We'll just agree to disagree.
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One final comment. I agree, he knew Frantic Hanover was behind him, and yes, pulling to the outside would improve his chances of making the finals, where we disagree is whether he was or wasn't trying to win by doing so, I say yes, you say no. I go back to my previous point which is, what if by helping Frantic Hanover by pulling instead of sitting, she faded out of the top 4 and didn't advance but Frantic did, would you still be saying the same thing?
I feel your theory that he wasn't trying to win is the mindset of some people who are turned off by harness racing because they think alot of races are staged, I'm not saying some aren't but don't believe it happens in big races. We'll just agree to disagree.
thank you tmbz1
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he absolutely knew TT was behind him and he purposely pulled the pocket to allow him to advance inside
you can think whatever you want
im not here to name call , attack , insult or use genitalia as a response(male or female)--you have your opinion and i have mine-no worries there
good luck to you tmbz1
He pulled in the turn. No passing lane there. Even that was not soon enough to win. In fact, Wrenn pulled just after the tree quarters.
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He pulled in the turn. No passing lane there. Even that was not soon enough to win.
there is NO passing lane at The Meadows?
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there is NO passing lane at The Meadows?
He pulled just after the three quarter mark. There isn't a passing lane on the turn.
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He pulled just after the three quarter mark. There isn't a passing lane on the turn.
ok i will briefly play along....
so there is no such thing as a pocket on the turn?
Wrenn just pulled for no reason and the real estate he vacated was not a pocket?
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i believe the two winners get to pick their posts not be assigned by a draw
this is the way it should be in every race with eliminations
the winners get drawn to pick their posts
then the second place finishers do the same , and so on
at most racks they draw for 2-6 for the winners, what if a winner draws the 6 hole and the other winner draws inside and the second place finishers also draw inside of that winner, great benefit for winning an elimination...not
let them pick their post, maybe some guy has a horse who loves the rail, or what if in the scenario above your horse doesn't leave well and you have the 6 post, sucks, if given the choice the ownership group might pick the 2 post
its really not that difficult is it ??
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And what the heck happened????
Wasn't the Adios contested in heats??
Now they get the elim...and get a week off to contest
their Final..???
You show up in the Jug, and make the Final..
now you got a tuf horse..
The horses in the Adios should be going heats and the Final
same day.....
not sure when this changed...but I guess
the top dogs wouldnt even show if they had to contest
in heats..
But then again to contest heats 2x in the Adios
AND the Jug is a bit much....that I will concede.
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There renaming it Burkeads