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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: SAW on July 25, 2025, 12:17:59 PM
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Can't believe the haters haven't posed this story?
https://harnessracingupdate.com/2025/07/25/gural-proposes-stallion-fee-to-sustain-the-meadowlands-until-a-casino-arrives/
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Fuck him. 11.wp
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I am curious to why he believes he is getting a casino as early as 2027
that doesn't seem realistic from a guy who thought he was getting a casino 10 years ago
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Can't believe the haters haven't posed this story?
https://harnessracingupdate.com/2025/07/25/gural-proposes-stallion-fee-to-sustain-the-meadowlands-until-a-casino-arrives/
There are lots of tracks now with good purses. Just skip the Meadowlands.
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Gural is a great ambassador for harness racing. What he did after the Tioga barn fire was heroic! tmbz1
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Back when Yonkers was thriving (yes, it was once) they stood idly by while the meadowlands was being built. They thought they were the best and would remain so. Wrong, Yonkers nearly went under. Then when Yonkers were getting the slots the Meadowlands sat on their butts with the same old and Yonkers ruled. The new Meadowlands came back and we know what Yonkers is now, great purses with a pittance of a handle.
So Gural is looking ahead to the casinos coming to NYC and knows a flip is about to begin again.
The casinos rule, harness racing just sucks along. When the Jersey politicians see the long string of vehicles heading out of jersey to The NYC casinos they will be quick to get a casino on their side of the river.
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Back when Yonkers was thriving (yes, it was once) they stood idly by while the meadowlands was being built. They thought they were the best and would remain so. Wrong, Yonkers nearly went under. Then when Yonkers were getting the slots the Meadowlands sat on their butts with the same old and Yonkers ruled. The new Meadowlands came back and we know what Yonkers is now, great purses with a pittance of a handle.
So Gural is looking ahead to the casinos coming to NYC and knows a flip is about to begin again.
The casinos rule, harness racing just sucks along. When the Jersey politicians see the long string of vehicles heading out of jersey to The NYC casinos they will be quick to get a casino on their side of the river.
this has been a popular take for years now--and NJ hasn't batted an eyelash as of yet
I say maybe in the 2030-2035 time frame--Trenton doesn't move that quickly on anything
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Can't believe the haters haven't posed this story?
https://harnessracingupdate.com/2025/07/25/gural-proposes-stallion-fee-to-sustain-the-meadowlands-until-a-casino-arrives/
There is a level of arrogance in this idea. What if other tracks do the same thing? This will just fragment the sport even more.
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Pay to play, and it benefits the gamblers, owners, horsemen, I like it! tmbz1...until those stud / breeding fees soar to compensate!
Shit runs down hill from atop the BigMountain! ;D
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Pay to play, and it benefits the gamblers, owners, horsemen, I like it! tmbz1...until those stud / breeding fees soar to compensate!
Shit runs down hill from atop the BigMountain! ;D
appropriate to use those three words--because that's why there are NO casinos outside of AC in NJ so far
1978=47 years and going strong
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appropriate to use those three words--because that's why there are NO casinos outside of AC in NJ so far
1978=47 years and going strong
The publicly traded that own their pieces of AC have an excellent lobby.
If that ever failed they bring in their partners, the NYC, NJ and Philadelphia Families, which also run casinos too just none visible from the street and fancy like a Bally's! ;D
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Pay to play, and it benefits the gamblers, owners, horsemen, I like it! tmbz1...until those stud / breeding fees soar to compensate!
Shit runs down hill from atop the BigMountain! ;D
If anyone wonders where the money is in harness racing just compare the visual quality of a racetrack and that of the breeding farms..
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If Gural didn't have his "Gural rules" and allowed anyone with an active NJ license to race at his track, the entry box would be overflowing, he would have 10-horse fields in every race, and he'd have a huge handle every night. Just my two cents.
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If anyone wonders where the money is in harness racing just compare the visual quality of a racetrack and that of the breeding farms..
You can't.
They're range up there with magnificent.
People there universally, very mellow too.
I'm sure they consider diversifying, if they already haven't and cater to the wealthy for their hobby's, sports and attendance driven activities outside racing.
Different worlds, and myself, the track has lost its luster for me, and casinos I'm NI.
Those that will still have have me too! ;D
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The only way to get a casino at the Meadowlands is by a voter referendum. I am sure he has done his own polling and that’s why he thinks he can get one this time.
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Fuck him. 11.wp
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It amazes me why people care so much what Gural does. If you don't like the way he is running HIS business, race and or gamble somewhere else.
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The only way to get a casino at the Meadowlands is by a voter referendum. I am sure he has done his own polling and that’s why he thinks he can get one this time.
that is the hubris/arrogance part that is part of why Gural has a handful of "haters"
I don't hate him-i am just a realist in/from NJ
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Give the dude his fucking casino and we'll see rock star purses that we haven't seen in a long time, possibly never.
You don't think he got into the biz to become a billionaire, do you?
He would of made billions more if he kept his head in real estate, he likes this racing shit.
His big talk about cheating is better than no talk too!
It all sux but Jesus! ;D
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that is the hubris/arrogance part that is part of why Gural has a handful of "haters"
I don't hate him-i am just a realist in/from NJ
If you live in NJ why would you vote against a casino at the Meadowlands?
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If you live in NJ why would you vote against a casino at the Meadowlands?
i would vote for him to receive a casino license
declaring himself a savior praying for a casino for a decade, then cries poor mouse when he grossly misjudged Trenton politics and his view of "self entitlement"-well that i just dont like that smell
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If you live in NJ why would you vote against a casino at the Meadowlands?
Because there are way too many morons in NJ.
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"In anticipation of the casino push in 2026, the unity between The Meadowlands and the Standardbred Owners Association of New Jersey (SBOANJ) has been reaffirmed by a freshly inked two-year contract that increases the track’s support of the horsemen in several ways. In a critical demonstration of good faith and long-term partnership, The Meadowlands has also committed to offset the recent increase in New Jersey’s sports wagering tax, pledging to supplement the Standardbred purse account each month in an amount equal to the actual shortfall created by the tax hike, estimated at $450,000 to $500,000 annually. Dedicated support for New Jersey breeding and racing, including daily NJ-owned/sired races, bonuses for NJ-sired horses in overnights, and $800,000 annually in Sire Stakes funding."
Since Jeff Gural is so confident that he will get his casino next year, it's good to see they now have plenty of money for the purse account. No more complaining about how the Meadowlands is losing money every racing night.
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If Gural didn't have his "Gural rules" and allowed anyone with an active NJ license to race at his track, the entry box would be overflowing, he would have 10-horse fields in every race, and he'd have a huge handle every night. Just my two cents.
That is not true. He is always begging for horses.
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That is not true. He is always begging for horses.
If they give it, whose fault is it?
FYI big companies do it with government on all levels.
Example: will bring jobs into an area for tax breaks.
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He says he has no money for marketing his business. If he can't get a loan and this new idea doesnt make it, maybe he can start a gofundme?
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It amazes me why people care so much what Gural does. If you don't like the way he is running HIS business, race and or gamble somewhere else.
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And more and more stables are doing that. They are not interested in racing at The Meadowlands. Having cards filled with 68 and 71 Trackmaster races are horses that the more successful stables would not even have in their barn. The Meadowlands didn't add any Freehold days. Freehold class horses are merely now a big part of the Meadowlands' everyday programs. Happy that the Freehold horsemen can race for more money than before, but the quality of racing at the Neadowlnds is the worst it has ever been. And getting worse. The handle tells it all. If you took away all the CAT wagering, they would not even reach 2 million a night.
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Must be nice to own a track, race your own horses there, and then ban your competition's trainers from racing against you, even though they have licenses, while overlooking your own trainers' histories of positives.
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Must be nice to own a track, race your own horses there, and then ban your competition's trainers from racing against you, even though they have licenses, while overlooking your own trainers' histories of positives.
Open up your own racetrack and don't let Gural race there. Problem solved.
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Open up your own racetrack and don't let Gural race there. Problem solved.
The problem is no one person can be bigger than the industry or it si empty can't be successful.
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Does anyone ever think a casino will ever come to The Meadowlands? Will the powerful in Atlantic City allow it?
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Gural does have political connections. Does he know something? Up till now AC has refused to let a casino at the Meadowlands. Why didn't the state let AC casino operators bid on a Meadowlands casino years ago?
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I'm assuming that "Casino money" out of Atlantic City must be used by lobbyists to insure the Meadowlands never sees thos slots. From what I read in the NY papers, there are five groups battling for two licenses to open a casino in NYC. How will that effect Jersey?
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The problem is no one person can be bigger than the industry or it si empty can't be successful.
Once again, if you don't like the way the man runs his operation, race and or gamble somewhere else. Is he forcing you to do something you don't want to do?
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Once again, if you don't like the way the man runs his operation, race and or gamble somewhere else. Is he forcing you to do something you don't want to do?
Obviously that is true. I suppose my point needs further clarification. No matter if you stay away from the meadowlands or race and gamble there, either way, one person trying to be bigger than the industry is not good for anyone involved.