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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Pacer 2 on July 19, 2025, 10:14:02 AM
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Curious what his driver ranking is? Any thoughts? Is this close?
1) Gingras
2)D Miller
3)Page
4)R Wrenn
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Curious what his driver ranking is? Any thoughts? Is this close?
1) Gingras
2)D Miller
3)Page
4)R Wrenn
Change this to:
1) Gingras
2) R. Wrenn
3) Page
after that it appears to be the best driver available, e.g. Dunn, Miller, Tetrick, etc
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Change this to:
1) Gingras
2) R. Wrenn
3) Page
after that it appears to be the best driver available, e.g. Dunn, Miller, Tetrick, etc
I have not analyzed it in detail but I would say for grand circuit it would be:
1) Gingras
2) Miller especially trotters
In general:
1) Gingras
2) Miller
3) R. Wrenn
4) Page
It is hard to judge since for sire stakes Miller and Gingras are not available. Palone was in the mix but not very much today. R. Wrenn seems to be the Burke raising star.
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Matt Kakaly used to be in the mix but not recently......
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Not a hot take. I truly believe Chris Page has been his best driver recently. Not by a little. By a lot.
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I’m curious as to why Tetrick is now part of the cult
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Matt Kakaly used to be in the mix but not recently......
I have not seen him drive for Burke in a long time.
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Not a hot take. I truly believe Chris Page has been his best driver recently. Not by a little. By a lot.
I think page is good but R. Wrenn might be better.
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Ronnie Wrenn can drive with anyone.
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page and wrenn are barely top 10 and if i really thought about it might be outside the top 10
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page and wrenn are barely top 10 and if i really thought about it might be outside the top 10
Page yes - Ronnie NO. He can drive anywhere and be very good. He goes to Meadowlands and he's top 5 driver in a month.
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I’m curious as to why Tetrick is now part of the cult
Miller leaving for Ohio after this year needs a second choice behind Yannick
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you are joking right?you cant be serious.i dont see people lining up with grand circuit horses to give him.who's he better then?dexter,todd,andrew,scotty,david,yannik,timmy?hell he isnt even better then beckwith
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Wow. What a stupid topic. Who cares about Ron Burke. He is the biggest doper in the business. He has the strongest pain medication that is totally undetectable he should be sitting next to nick surick. But the industry keeps letting crooks cash their checks and when they’re caught they just put their brother. Mother. Sister. Father down as trainer and never miss a week. If your horse can’t walk give it to him that horse will run off in 1:49 with no problem
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Wow. What a stupid topic. Who cares about Ron Burke. He is the biggest doper in the business. He has the strongest pain medication that is totally undetectable he should be sitting next to nick surick. But the industry keeps letting crooks cash their checks and when they’re caught they just put their brother. Mother. Sister. Father down as trainer and never miss a week. If your horse can’t walk give it to him that horse will run off in 1:49 with no problem
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I have not seen him drive for Burke in a long time.
I think he drove one for Burke at Pocono recently but thats it.
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Wow. What a stupid topic. Who cares about Ron Burke. He is the biggest doper in the business. He has the strongest pain medication that is totally undetectable he should be sitting next to nick surick. But the industry keeps letting crooks cash their checks and when they’re caught they just put their brother. Mother. Sister. Father down as trainer and never miss a week. If your horse can’t walk give it to him that horse will run off in 1:49 with no problem
You have quite an imagination! ngc3 ngc3
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I have not seen him drive for Burke in a long time.
If my memory is correct, wasn't Kakaley 2nd or 3rd banana on the Burke preference list?
Didn't get enough good drives from the 'leftovers' and tried to get better drives on his own!
Nothing to lose and everything to gain?
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If my memory is correct, wasn't Kakaley 2nd or 3rd banana on the Burke preference list?
Didn't get enough good drives from the 'leftovers' and tried to get better drives on his own!
Nothing to lose and everything to gain?
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Wow. What a stupid topic. Who cares about Ron Burke. He is the biggest doper in the business. He has the strongest pain medication that is totally undetectable he should be sitting next to nick surick. But the industry keeps letting crooks cash their checks and when they’re caught they just put their brother. Mother. Sister. Father down as trainer and never miss a week. If your horse can’t walk give it to him that horse will run off in 1:49 with no problem
Aren't Tanneyhill and Eckley worse in retrospect to their amount of starts vs actually getting fines/suspensions?
Please feel free to add to the list here.
Remember this: whether it's horse racing or politics--The STUPID/DUMB ones get caught, the smart ones don't!
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Wow. What a stupid topic. Who cares about Ron Burke. He is the biggest doper in the business. He has the strongest pain medication that is totally undetectable he should be sitting next to nick surick. But the industry keeps letting crooks cash their checks and when they’re caught they just put their brother. Mother. Sister. Father down as trainer and never miss a week. If your horse can’t walk give it to him that horse will run off in 1:49 with no problem
Its definitely pain meds. Cripples like Dayson dont race for anyone else. Feel bad for the person that bought Saulsbrook Genesis this week. Of course i been wrong before.
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Wow. What a stupid topic. Who cares about Ron Burke. He is the biggest doper in the business. He has the strongest pain medication that is totally undetectable he should be sitting next to nick surick. But the industry keeps letting crooks cash their checks and when they’re caught they just put their brother. Mother. Sister. Father down as trainer and never miss a week. If your horse can’t walk give it to him that horse will run off in 1:49 with no problem
I am not posting you are either right or wrong.
I don't know!
What I am asking is about the nuts and bolts of administering this pain killer.
How do you physically give this to hundreds of horses racing at several race tracks over several decades.
Why has a fired groom, second trainer, or guy stabled in the next stall said "Hay this is whats going on".
How and when and by who do you give this pain killer without being seen?
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Aren't Tanneyhill and Eckley worse in retrospect to their amount of starts vs actually getting fines/suspensions?
Please feel free to add to the list here.
Remember this: whether it's horse racing or politics--The STUPID/DUMB ones get caught, the smart ones don't!
GOODNESS GRACIOUS!! I READ SOMETHING THAT I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH. "THE STUPID/DUMB ONES GET CAUGHT!"
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he had a positive test for oxycodone years ago but appealed it(maybe Taylor represented him) but he won because of the possible "environmental contamination"
the groom pissed in the stall
too big to fail
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he had a positive test for oxycodone years ago but appealed it(maybe Taylor represented him) but he won because of the possible "environmental contamination"
the groom pissed in the stall
too big to fail
Soon they'll say the horse is not a doper but the actual drug dealer! We're all so dumb ngc3 ! When the welfare runs out Burke will head to Canada, where the natives, while typicality non violent will take him out of the equation as fast as you could snap your fingers.
It's their welfare, not his! ;D
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I am not posting you are either right or wrong.
I don't know!
What I am asking is about the nuts and bolts of administering this pain killer.
How do you physically give this to hundreds of horses racing at several race tracks over several decades.
Why has a fired groom, second trainer, or guy stabled in the next stall said "Hay this is whats going on".
How and when and by who do you give this pain killer without being seen?
Exactly! tmbz1 Impossible for Burke to treat all his horses. ngc3 ngc3
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buter has replaced Matt at Pocono and tioga
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I am not posting you are either right or wrong.
I don't know!
What I am asking is about the nuts and bolts of administering this pain killer.
How do you physically give this to hundreds of horses racing at several race tracks over several decades.
Why has a fired groom, second trainer, or guy stabled in the next stall said "Hay this is whats going on".
How and when and by who do you give this pain killer without being seen?
I have been saying this for years. Burke must be better at silencing people than the mob. You left out another avenue. What about pillow talk?
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I would say Yannick #1, Page #2 and Wrenn Jr #3.. as I've said before once Miller comes back to Ohio next year, it'll be interesting to see how things play out
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I would say Yannick #1, Page #2 and Wrenn Jr #3.. as I've said before once Miller comes back to Ohio next year, it'll be interesting to see how things play out
Very interesting. Page has elite talent in timing the wire IMO. I can't imagine he loses first call in ohio
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Very interesting. Page has elite talent in timing the wire IMO. I can't imagine he loses first call in ohio
Out of all the drivers I mentioned.. I would choose Page for sure
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Out of all the drivers I mentioned.. I would choose Page for sure
I like both Page and Wrenn but Ronnie Wrenn is winning a much higher percentage of his races than Page.
Page has about 200 more drives and 60 less wins.
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He won't replace Page with Miller, he's loyal to Page and he's young and hungry and will travel, and Miller wants to slow down.
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I like both Page and Wrenn but Ronnie Wrenn is winning a much higher percentage of his races than Page.
Page has about 200 more drives and 60 less wins.
You dont consider the scioto drivers way way way better than the guys at the meadows?
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For all you stupid people who only care about gambling and not the drug abuse going on in the industry. Every one of Burke horses from what I’ve seen and heard gets intravenous jugs 3 days before each race. I’m sure Ron Burke has vets employed as salary working in nj. Pa. Ohio etc. they put all the fancy drugs in those jugs. And these vets come back in wee hours of morning. Remember Ledford and dr witmer banned from harness racing. Grab one of these vets and put them under the lights with jail sentences and see some canaries talking and bye bye Burke
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For all you stupid people who only care about gambling and not the drug abuse going on in the industry. Every one of Burke horses from what I’ve seen and heard gets intravenous jugs 3 days before each race. I’m sure Ron Burke has vets employed as salary working in nj. Pa. Ohio etc. they put all the fancy drugs in those jugs. And these vets come back in wee hours of morning. Remember Ledford and dr witmer banned from harness racing. Grab one of these vets and put them under the lights with jail sentences and see some canaries talking and bye bye Burke
We all care, gambler non horseman here.
Be mad at Burke not those going about living their life, enjoying and the poor legit horseman / owners / drivers / stables that lose out of their fair share and efforts because of the Cheating Burke etals..
It's the Burke shills, cheats, and those trying to get under skin, aim at them.
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I am not posting you are either right or wrong.
I don't know!
What I am asking is about the nuts and bolts of administering this pain killer.
How do you physically give this to hundreds of horses racing at several race tracks over several decades.
Why has a fired groom, second trainer, or guy stabled in the next stall said "Hay this is whats going on".
How and when and by who do you give this pain killer without being seen?
Simple - long acting once a month and Ronnie travels. Why does he show up to barn then leave all of a sudden. I have heard people say he will come in late 9pm and be there couple hours "going over" horses and leave in the middle of the night and head straight back to PA.
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He won't replace Page with Miller, he's loyal to Page and he's young and hungry and will travel, and Miller wants to slow down.
Paige will have the worst yr in last ten once Purple is back in town. He will become the new Matt K.
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Simple - long acting once a month and Ronnie travels. Why does he show up to barn then leave all of a sudden. I have heard people say he will come in late 9pm and be there couple hours "going over" horses and leave in the middle of the night and head straight back to PA.
Simple? A once a month long acting pain killer that ONLY Burke has? That sounds impossible much more than simple!
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You can put vets, trainer, grooms under lights. Have you heard anyone say they have any knowledge of them cheating. A lot people jug their horses, it's not a crime to jug your horses 3 days out. SHOW ME THE PROOF.
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You can put vets, trainer, grooms under lights. Have you heard anyone say they have any knowledge of them cheating. A lot people jug their horses, it's not a crime to jug your horses 3 days out. SHOW ME THE PROOF.
EXACTLY! False accusations!
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Simple? A once a month long acting pain killer that ONLY Burke has? That sounds impossible much more than simple!
YES!!
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RONNIE IS AS INNOCENT AS HITLER WAS. tmbz1
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RONNIE IS AS INNOCENT AS HITLER WAS. tmbz1
Prove it! Thats blind speculation. As innocent as Trump? ngc3 ngc3
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You dont consider the scioto drivers way way way better than the guys at the meadows?
It is hard to ignore someone who has a winning percentage almost 10 percentage points higher driving at a track where Palone gets choice of the best horses.
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For all you stupid people who only care about gambling and not the drug abuse going on in the industry. Every one of Burke horses from what I’ve seen and heard gets intravenous jugs 3 days before each race. I’m sure Ron Burke has vets employed as salary working in nj. Pa. Ohio etc. they put all the fancy drugs in those jugs. And these vets come back in wee hours of morning. Remember Ledford and dr witmer banned from harness racing. Grab one of these vets and put them under the lights with jail sentences and see some canaries talking and bye bye Burke
Burke has a huge operation yet there has never been a disgruntled employee, no "pillow talk" or a sneaky competitor say anything. Burke must be better than the mob at silencing people.
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Burke has a huge operation yet there has never been a disgruntled employee, no "pillow talk" or a sneaky competitor say anything. Burke must be better than the mob at silencing people.
Or the USTA & the commissions refused to act. It is obvious how they pick & choose who goes down.
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Or the USTA & the commissions refused to act. It is obvious how they pick & choose who goes down.
This is not about the USTA. If a disgruntled employee wanted to talk people would listen.
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Burke has a huge operation yet there has never been a disgruntled employee, no "pillow talk" or a sneaky competitor say anything. Burke must be better than the mob at silencing people.
He pays his main people well and the illegals are scared to speak
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He pays his main people well and the illegals are scared to speak
Not one has every quit? No one has ever hired a lady of the evening? No one has ever hidden a spy camera?
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Burke has a huge operation yet there has never been a disgruntled employee, no "pillow talk" or a sneaky competitor say anything. Burke must be better than the mob at silencing people.
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