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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: The Answer on July 13, 2025, 01:43:38 AM
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Word around Ake using Swedish blood builder and Gural turns blind eye to it. Out of competition testing done this week on many barns. Guess who didn’t get tested? Yes Ake! His horses turn from out of trot to monsters. Other trainers are pissed!!!
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Word around Ake using Swedish blood builder and Gural turns blind eye to it. Out of competition testing done this week on many barns. Guess who didn’t get tested? Yes Ake! His horses turn from out of trot to monsters. Other trainers are pissed!!!
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The winners he's had the last 2 days have been very heavily bet too. Below even money.
Fucking greedy mother fuckers, they want it all!
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Word around Ake using Swedish blood builder and Gural turns blind eye to it. Out of competition testing done this week on many barns. Guess who didn’t get tested? Yes Ake! His horses turn from out of trot to monsters. Other trainers are pissed!!!
Whether true or not. Who does he train for and who is he partners with in horses? IMO, a bit of a conflict of interest.
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Gural owning horses at his own track has always been a huge conflict of interest. No one has ever seemed to mind and I’m not really sure why.
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He CANNOT Run Overnights At Tioga n Vernon. Tioga horsemen said OK, but Vernon’s said NO WAY.
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I don't know if there was OTC testing. If there was two top stables were missing their Wheaties. Burke & Takter are big stakes players & both were not heard from. The telling sign is when some top ones rode rail & lost ground in the stretch.
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I don't know if there was OTC testing. If there was two top stables were missing their Wheaties. Burke & Takter are big stakes players & both were not heard from. The telling sign is when some top ones rode rail & lost ground in the stretch.
You are right. Horrible nights for those 2. Some of the Takter horses were beat by 9, 10, 12 15 and 17 lengths. None hit the board !! Burke win the open but had 3 horses in it. Crazy stuff. Mike will find out what is going on.
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https://www.expressen.se/sport/kronikorer/mats-olsson/mats-olsson-darfor-ar-folk-elaka-mot-hastar/ (https://www.expressen.se/sport/kronikorer/mats-olsson/mats-olsson-darfor-ar-folk-elaka-mot-hastar/)
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https://www.expressen.se/sport/kronikorer/mats-olsson/mats-olsson-darfor-ar-folk-elaka-mot-hastar/ (https://www.expressen.se/sport/kronikorer/mats-olsson/mats-olsson-darfor-ar-folk-elaka-mot-hastar/)
English version please.
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English version please.
Use Google Translate. It is a Swedish article. Ake was accused of using an electric pig prod to train horses. He was not convicted due to a technicality. I saw one article where it was reported he even admitted it.
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No individual can be, or try to be, bigger than an industry. Else that industry fails.
Seeing track owners in their own winners circle sickens me. Looks like something that woukd expect to see happen in Russia, not the US
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No individual can be, or try to be, bigger than an industry. Else that industry fails.
Seeing track owners in their own winners circle sickens me. Looks like something that woukd expect to see happen in Russia, not the US
It’s disgusting and he bans the trainers that cheat as good or better than his guys.
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No individual can be, or try to be, bigger than an industry. Else that industry fails.
Seeing track owners in their own winners circle sickens me. Looks like something that woukd expect to see happen in Russia, not the US
Don’t have a problem with Gural owning and racing horses at his own tracks. Track owners have been doing it forever. He just has a love affair with Ake and lets him get away with anything he wants. There’s no way Ake can just be that much better than everyone else and yes the NJRC did out of competition testing this week. He plugs them when he wants. If Gap Kronos has any trot in the Hambo eliminations there needs to be a full investigation. He had none last night.
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Don’t have a problem with Gural owning and racing horses at his own tracks. Track owners have been doing it forever. He just has a love affair with Ake and lets him get away with anything he wants. There’s no way Ake can just be that much better than everyone else and yes the NJRC did out of competition testing this week. He plugs them when he wants. If Gap Kronos has any trot in the Hambo eliminations there needs to be a full investigation. He had none last night.
It's wrong now and it's been wrong forever. It's not appealing to buy babies that have to race against ownership. And how often do gural horses get roughed up on the track by other drivers? I say very very rarely. That's not fair to the betting public.
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Gural owning horses at his own track has always been a huge conflict of interest. No one has ever seemed to mind and I’m not really sure why.
I think it's because his track his rule.
I guess if you don't like it then race somewhere else.
Sort of like it's my house and I can do whatever I like!
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It's wrong now and it's been wrong forever. It's not appealing to buy babies that have to race against ownership. And how often do gural horses get roughed up on the track by other drivers? I say very very rarely. That's not fair to the betting public.
I agree 100% with this!
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Do the owners of the Red Mile race their horses there ?.? Answer is YES !!!
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Do the owners of the Red Mile race their horses there ?.? Answer is YES !!!
Red mile is the worst track a gambler can find. I love the breakage in KY but it is seriously outweighed by all the nonsense at that track. Makes perfect sense to me that the owners race there.
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Word around Ake using Swedish blood builder and Gural turns blind eye to it. Out of competition testing done this week on many barns. Guess who didn’t get tested? Yes Ake! His horses turn from out of trot to monsters. Other trainers are pissed!!!
What trainer is pissed?
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What trainer is pissed?
Not any professional ones. And how exactly do they know that the commission didn’t test Ake horses? Were they hiding in the bushes on private property instead of taking care of their barn?
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Ake is a criminal and he should be deported along with his cattle prod!
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Ake is a criminal and he should be deported along with his cattle prod!
You got any proof?
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You got any proof?
Ake might be as "clean" in the US as any other top trainer. It has been so long that I have not found all the Swedish articles published at the time. I did read one where the allegedly quoted Ake as saying he did use an electric prod at one time but stopped using it because it was ineffective. I also remember seeing an article indicating he was not convicted based on technical issues not innocence. Again those articles were in Swedish and I have not been able to find them again.
Use Google Translate:
https://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/trav365/a/VRxj8r/atal-vackt-mot-ake-svanstedt
https://www.resume.se/kommunikation/pr/sponsorn-hotar-hoppa-av/
https://www.expressen.se/sport/trav/darfor-bryter-elon-med-svanstedt/
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Ake might be as "clean" in the US as any other top trainer. It has been so long that I have not found all the Swedish articles published at the time. I did read one where the allegedly quoted Ake as saying he did use an electric prod at one time but stopped using it because it was ineffective. I also remember seeing an article indicating he was not convicted based on technical issues not innocence. Again those articles were in Swedish and I have not been able to find them again.
Use Google Translate:
https://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/trav365/a/VRxj8r/atal-vackt-mot-ake-svanstedt
https://www.resume.se/kommunikation/pr/sponsorn-hotar-hoppa-av/
https://www.expressen.se/sport/trav/darfor-bryter-elon-med-svanstedt/
I’m not going to debate if you uses a cattle prod in Sweden or not 30 years ago. My family been in the livestock industry since 1900’s. What is the difference if we use a prod to move cattle,pigs, or horses??
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I’m not going to debate if you uses a cattle prod in Sweden or not 30 years ago. My family been in the livestock industry since 1900’s. What is the difference if we use a prod to move cattle,pigs, or horses??
Any device that delivers an electric current is illegal to administer to racehorses
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Not any professional ones. And how exactly do they know that the commission didn’t test Ake horses? Were they hiding in the bushes on private property instead of taking care of their barn?
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I’m not going to debate if you uses a cattle prod in Sweden or not 30 years ago. My family been in the livestock industry since 1900’s. What is the difference if we use a prod to move cattle,pigs, or horses??
He used it to TRAIN his horses. It is attitudes like yours which helps PETA to get the industry shut down.
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Not any professional ones. And how exactly do they know that the commission didn’t test Ake horses? Were they hiding in the bushes on private property instead of taking care of their barn?
Lol @ the reference there, A-1
peekin' out dem bushes like a crack fiend peekin' out da blinds
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Any device that delivers an electric current is illegal to administer to racehorses
Better tell the boys in Delaware and Maryland.....ever ybody uses it....why do you think everyone wears hoods/blinkers.....
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Better tell the boys in Delaware and Maryland.....ever ybody uses it....why do you think everyone wears hoods/blinkers.....
You have quite an imagination...... . ngc3 ngc3
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You are right. Horrible nights for those 2. Some of the Takter horses were beat by 9, 10, 12 15 and 17 lengths. None hit the board !! Burke win the open but had 3 horses in it. Crazy stuff. Mike will find out what is going on.
Open trot didn't have a D barn. Were those horses tested too?
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You have quite an imagination...... . ngc3 ngc3
Boots on the ground tells the truth
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Don't make statements unless you know the truth in the real world.....back to AKE.....in 2019 I brought this trial of animal cruelty on AKE up to GURAL,SETTLEMOIR AND COTE.......they ignored the truth and publications about the issue .......6 years later....same
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Don't make statements unless you know the truth in the real world.....back to AKE.....in 2019 I brought this trial of animal cruelty on AKE up to GURAL,SETTLEMOIR AND COTE.......they ignored the truth and publications about the issue .......6 years later....same
You have quite an imagination...... . ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Clueless
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No one spends more money then Ake in this business and no one has more trotters then him. And all have royal breeding.
However I hear that his staff think they are special and have attitude.
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No individual can be, or try to be, bigger than an industry. Else that industry fails.
Seeing track owners in their own winners circle sickens me. Looks like something that woukd expect to see happen in Russia, not the US
Other than Gural, which track owners raced horses at their own track?
From the old days—Jurvsnski at flamboro. Delvin Miller @ the meadows?
Please list any others.
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On the T-Bred side, William Rickman who owned Delaware Park for 38 years before selling it a few years ago used to race his horses there all the time.
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Other than Gural, which track owners raced horses at their own track?
From the old days—Jurvsnski at flamboro. Delvin Miller @ the meadows?
Please list any others.
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Didn't Art Rooney Sr. - Yonkers?
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Timothy Rooney then for sure.
"He was the breeder and owner of Immortal Lismore p,3,T1:57.2 ($150,309), sired by Immortal Albatross p,4,1:54.3f ($1.201 million). She is the dam of millionaire Albert Albert p,3,1:52.1 ($1.237 million) and 2007 Broodmare of the Year Lisheen p,3,1:52.3 ($518,405), dam of Lis Mara p,4,1:47.3 ($2.141 million) and Lislea p,3, Q1:52.3 ($28,849) a stallion who, with only nine lifetime starts, has shown talent as the sire of stakes winners, including Rooney-owned-and-bred Lislea Phia p,4,1:50.2f ($532,450). Lismore produced nineteen registered foals and seventeen starters whose earnings to date have totaled $4.1 million. Rooney is also the breeder of BG’s Bunny p,3,1:54 ($215,192), whose career at stud from 1978 to 1992 boasts 1,681 registered foals and 1,406 starters with combined earnings of $51.5 million."
https://harnessmuseum.com/content/timothy-j-rooney (source)
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wtf has happened to Burke, Takter, Alegna that the Capones of the world are outdoing them. Seems like Ake is the only trainer with go now...and wtf also happened to Julie Miller..do they even have any horses anymore
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Julie Miller has plenty of horses, but none are top horses, plus she still uses Andy who's a dead driver.
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Julie Miller has plenty of horses, but none are top horses, plus she still uses Andy who's a dead driver.
Is Tyler driving a few of them??
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Tyler drives some and she's been sending a few up to Tioga where Tyler drives. In interviews with Julie, she talks like Andy is a good driver which he isn't especially when it comes to keeping a horse alive in the stretch.
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Medication supply dried up
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Medication supply dried up
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Didn't Art Rooney Sr. - Yonkers?
Ducchichois at Arlington.
Van Lennep/Castleton Farm ... Wolverine // Red Mile // Built Pompano... He dumped his wife and married a daughter of Dodge (Motors). Big breeder.
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Any device that delivers an electric current is illegal to administer to racehorses
Cattle prods work on them lazy bastards anybody saying they dont shouldnt be racing horses cause ur stupid. Bear scent on ur whip n colors works just as good especially on the front end.
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Medication supply dried up
Which medications?? Enlighten us! ngc3 ngc3
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i would not worry about burke or takter for that matter, they are and will be fine
some of the others though?? horses are not winning any races
chris ryder seems fine though
melander seems fine
ake seems fine
today in kentucky other than melander most of the big names were quiet
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i would not worry about burke or takter for that matter, they are and will be fine
some of the others though?? horses are not winning any races
chris ryder seems fine though
melander seems fine
ake seems fine
today in kentucky other than melander most of the big names were quiet
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Tony Alagna's stable has been quiet for years and he has alot of expensive horses not earning their keep, and several of his owners have been bailing. Might be the reason he's selling his farm in NJ
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hopefully a passing of the torch to a new generation....Sto ebe taking Elista to new heights and she has some good looking 2year olds. Capone and Boyd winning the Meadowlands Pace. Maybe the new blood and energy can save the sport. Alot of the old tired owners arent winning as much anymore
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Cattle prods work on them lazy bastards anybody saying they dont shouldnt be racing horses cause ur stupid. Bear scent on ur whip n colors works just as good especially on the front end.
ask randy tharps how that went for him.
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Other than Gural, which track owners raced horses at their own track?
From the old days—Jurvsnski at flamboro. Delvin Miller @ the meadows?
Please list any others.
Do you know who currently owns the Red Mile?
Hence, the reason the Red Mile was built..
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ask randy tharps how that went for him.
Since you opened up about R.T. and his experience with it, how bout you add details for those of us haven't heard the story!
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Do you know who currently owns the Red Mile?
Hence, the reason the Red Mile was built..
Last I knew Joe Thomps on(WINBAK),ANTONCCI FAMILY (LINDY FARMSand George Segal
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Antonacci Family
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Julie Miller has plenty of horses, but none are top horses, plus she still uses Andy who's a dead driver.
The Miller team use to have many top trotters. They have taken a big step backwards.
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Last I knew Joe Thomps on(WINBAK),ANTONCCI FAMILY (LINDY FARMSand George Segal
They are owners who's horses race there.