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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: SPREE2015 on July 10, 2025, 07:16:03 AM
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IS IT TRUE THAT HAWTHORNE RACE COURSE IS REQUESTING TO CANCEL ALL LIVE RACING FOR 2025 ????
THE RACING BOARD WILL HEAR FROM OWNERSHIP AT THE JULY MEETING.
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It's about time, this place has been running on fumes for the last 5 years. Shut it down!
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might mean cutting only some of their scheduled dates??? Flats or harness?? Unknown....But it's definitely an agenda item on next week's meeting...
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might mean cutting only some of their scheduled dates??? Flats or harness?? Unknown....But it's definitely an agenda item on next week's meeting...
Relax just looking to cut the 3rd race date for t-Breds each week because of shortage of horses. Hawthorn been closing down for 10 years now according to some people. But they still seem to open every year. Still the best track in Chicago!
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Still the best track in Chicago? How about the only track in Chicago! Close this dump down ASAP.
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cigar probably correct - I didn't realize they were scheduled to go to 3 flats days a week starting in august....fuckin ass clowns have trouble filling 2 cards a week - how did they ever think they could do 3??
TIMMY / JIMMY AND JOHNNY....3 SHREWD BUSINESSMEN LOL...WRECKED THE ENTIRE STATE'S INDUSTRY
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cigar probably correct - I didn't realize they were scheduled to go to 3 flats days a week starting in august....fuckin ass clowns have trouble filling 2 cards a week - how did they ever think they could do 3??
TIMMY / JIMMY AND JOHNNY....3 SHREWD BUSINESSMEN LOL...WRECKED THE ENTIRE STATE'S INDUSTRY
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How exactly did they do that? Took on harness dates when there was no track to race at, sure they got paid to do it but they didn’t really have to do it. Can’t point fingers at the last man standing many before them ruined it.
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Relax just looking to cut the 3rd race date for t-Breds each week because of shortage of horses. Hawthorn been closing down for 10 years now according to some people. But they still seem to open every year. Still the best track in Chicago!
Shortage or bad race office. Runners office not as bad as Robin but bad. Horse off a 100 days ends up ae4?
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Shortage or bad race office. Runners office not as bad as Robin but bad. Horse off a 100 days ends up ae4?
robin is got the hardest job in racing trying to put together races. I give her props. She can’t everybody that wants to be in the easy class and draw the rail every week.
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robin is got the hardest job in racing trying to put together races. I give her props. She can’t everybody that wants to be in the easy class and draw the rail every week.
the rail is not a desirable post for either tbreds or harness at Hawthorne
those days are long gone
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the rail is not a desirable post for either tbreds or harness at Hawthorne
those days are long gone
you right the 8-9-10 are the best especially going into that first turn nothing like losing 5-6 lengths.
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you right the 8-9-10 are the best especially going into that first turn nothing like losing 5-6 lengths.
you must be very old
update your thinking and watch the races
I didn't say the 9 or 10 were good
post 1 and 8 are basically equivalent at Hawthorne
5-6-7 are the best for two turn tracks
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HAWTHORNE RACE COURSE IS ON LIFE SUPPORT
HOPEFULLY ITS GOING TO STAY OPEN .
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you must be very old
update your thinking and watch the races
I didn't say the 9 or 10 were good
post 1 and 8 are basically equivalent at Hawthorne
5-6-7 are the best for two turn tracks
I don’t watch the races just guessing never been to the track
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I've never been to Hawthorne, but I read a interesting book called "Horseplayers, Life At The track" by Ted McClelland. It's a "must read" for any old horseplayers like me. Hawthorne is a big part of the book. The characters he talks about are the same we have all met at racetracks and OTB's around the nation. He talks a lot about Hawthorne and give an honest and frank assessment on racing at Hawthorne years ago. A great read.
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I've never been to Hawthorne, but I read a interesting book called "Horseplayers, Life At The track" by Ted McClelland. It's a "must read" for any old horseplayers like me. Hawthorne is a big part of the book. The characters he talks about are the same we have all met at racetracks and OTB's around the nation. He talks a lot about Hawthorne and give an honest and frank assessment on racing at Hawthorne years ago. A great read.
Actually, that is a very good read. I was a frequent customer at Hawthorne in those days. Hawthorne actually had a pretty good fall t-bred meet at the time. There would be 4000 or so fans on track on a weekday back then, which today would seem like a full house. There were some interesting characters that the author alluded to, and I think that I knew most of them. There was one bettor who was legendary in Chicago, who went by the nickname Mr. X. He would go to the window and make his wagers nearing Post time, and as soon as he made those bets the mutual clerks would pass them along to everyone down the line. More often than not the horses he liked would come in, but not pay what he thought he would have. Fun times.
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I don't play that track but ya'll got me curious about post stats, so here are the stats:
For harness, that track plays fairly square with only PP 10 looking not so good:
https://racing.ustrotting.com/reports/haw_postpositionstats.pdf
For T breds, a limited number of starts, so buyer beware:
https://www.equibase.com/premium/statsByPPMeetPDFDownload.cfm?trackID=HAW&beginDate=2025-03-27
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I've never been to Hawthorne, but I read a interesting book called "Horseplayers, Life At The track" by Ted McClelland. It's a "must read" for any old horseplayers like me. Hawthorne is a big part of the book. The characters he talks about are the same we have all met at racetracks and OTB's around the nation. He talks a lot about Hawthorne and give an honest and frank assessment on racing at Hawthorne years ago. A great read.
I need to get that book. The way some people go to every baseball stadium, I’ve probably been to every track. I actually liked Hawthorne, especially when they had day/night doubleheaders.
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I'm real old like Hawthorne so I have many fond memories of their "glory days" T-breds: The previous turf course was 6 furlongs with a mile chute like old Vernon Downs. Valiant Man and Zip Pocket loved it! I saw Dr Fager win the 10f Gold Cup. Played hooky from my statistics course at UIC many times to catch the daily double. ;D
S-breds: Harness racing started there around 1971. Every year the Dygert Trot lured the best trotters from across the midwest with an occasional New York invader. My favorites were China Dragon, Mickie Rodney, Nilmot Ernie and Jubilee Triton. Steady Star was a super fast pacer but finished second to a horse named Field Diamond when S S broke and spotted the field 20 lengths. I was part owner of several horses who raced there over the years including a track record holder.
I haven't watched or bet Hawthone for at least 10 years. But I hope they stick around for the people who still want to race there.
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luker2453.....Tha t is so cool that you know some of the folks mentioned in the book. I love the authors description of these folks. I think they are at every track in America. LOL!
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RR70's.....you will love the book. Like me, you'll read it on one day! LOL!
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In 3-5 yrs. Or less
That property will be sold. To developers. Just like Arlington park did
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In 3-5 yrs. Or less
That property will be sold. To developers. Just like Arlington park did
You just got a bone with Carey, stop it! Why would anyone want a track to close? It might not be a new a shiny place, but it’s nice to have a track in Chicago still racing. We need a mediation for you with the owner maybe he will let you back in.
Ps Rocco there is a hole in the fence by the Cicero exit you can peak through the crack to watch the races this year!
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Finish him off LUCPARK! ;D Yeh! ngc3
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Finish him off LUCPARK! ;D Yeh! ngc3
4 yrs ago in super night
I old the track owner off in front of his family his mommy included. He couldn’t handle the truth
My trainer. And All ihha were there I didn’t
Hold nothin back I don’t have to kiss his ass I don’t race there have not had an Illinois bred in 10 yrs
Carey is a piece of shit. I told that to his face
Now I cant come to that dump I’m banded
My lose ngc3 ngc3
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4 yrs ago in super night
I old the track owner off in front of his family his mommy included. He couldn’t handle the truth
My trainer. And All ihha were there I didn’t
Hold nothin back I don’t have to kiss his ass I don’t race there have not had an Illinois bred in 10 yrs
Carey is a piece of shit. I told that to his face
Now I cant come to that dump I’m banded
My lose ngc3 ngc3
I was there I saw it you ain’t lying. But remember when everyone closed up he stayed open, so you gotta respect the fact that he still has racing. You can’t blame the man for years of bad decisions by others. CN he do more yes but it takes a lot of $$$$$ to do it maybe you should invest in a piece of action?
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Until I saw the sign, I thought it was a correctional facility.
Under entertainment they list, racing. Under racing, their customers couldn't bet the derby.
I've seen better business men, not falling this bad blow their brains out.
LUCPARK must cry himself to sleep, knowing he'll never see the benefits again of the Hawthorne Platinum membership! ngc3
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Let JOHN FRANK ARMY tell you 3 useless MORONS again about thee BOOK. IT was a STOLEN FLOP. So GREAT. YA like you uneducated SHITS knew anyone at TRACK. And the fuckin thin was not just HAWTHORNE,it was also ARLINGTON.
Were to one begin. Lets start with FLANNEL BOY, and his always goin to POINT center at the THORNE on double days to see how many points he has accummulated to get a free program. Yeah,CLOCKER sumthin ain't he. He MR.IMPORTANT. TOO. TOO be continued........
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What you want me to talk about. A lot about SCOTT MC'MANUS. At times on NET I used to bash him. He was a great handicapper. People at ARLINGTON after his day teachin at HARPER COLLEGE,and he would walk in and make a bet at window,idiots would follow to overhear and make same bet. KNOW SCOTT did win some huge bet one time and had the only ticket. And he was mentioned in handicappin books. But I want to say this. SCOTT started doin handicappin seminars and tournaments at all ARLINGTON OTB'S. WE became good friends along with his WIFE. So much so,when I would arrive at a tournament,SCOOT would go on his speaker: JOHN FRANK has arrived. LOVED HIM and HIS WIFE.
But lets get to this SHIT that was devoted way to much in BOOK. This author who be a CLOCKER,who noes nuttin about horse racin,spends his time doin this: Half the book is about some useless DRUNKIN BUM who supposssidly meets a old NUN who left the religion,because she wants to fuc and gamble. That works. Happens every day. And the former NUN can't lose playin the PONIES. That works also, happens every day. And SCOTT suppossidly can't take the husband anymore who married the NUN. Nice plot,HUH.
And lets go back to that nice excursion. So MR.AUTHOR gives a chapter to CLOCK. Say's MAN,no one can find cheaper motels to stay in than this guy. Ain't that correct SRP. And the PEOPLES that you think be great ain't but a couple. And CLOCK BRAIN and his BUD stole my IDEA. Becuse I had been talkin and postin about doin a book about PEOPLES at the TRACK. You got me SRP And I hope you and your bud made 2 cents off of your useless book.
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John Frank.....Scott McManus was a big part of the book, "Horseplayers, Life At The Track" By Ted McClelland. A great read!
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JFK . Obviously didn't and wouldn't want to read all your rantings BUT I must say, just
scanning it, it almost seems pretty normal, almost bordering on well written. Whatever
blend you have going with the meds, Roll with it. tmbz1
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UH DOOOOGGGGIIIIEEEE .
I can know confirm a huuummmy bird has more brains than you.
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Why would you say that?
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John Frank.....have you read the book?
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MY GOD: your incomprehensible of understandin.
I said this before on a different post. I got the book and it was not till 20 or so laters when I moved,I discovered it again. Then I read it.
Gave the book then to SCOOTIE the TELLER to read. And he sorta enjoyed because he knew sum of the chareters. He claimed he knew the NUN. REALLY.
That NUN ain't goin to his window to cash. His window is big bettors. And FOR your INFO. I knew every at ARLINGTON. And every knew me. Never knew some NUN that quit to fuc and became the best bettor. Don'y it sound a little strange. But if one believes in MR.ASSININATION and all his followers go: HE THE GOD DIVINE.
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Oh, I didn't know you read the book. Did you ever meet the writer personally? I tried for him to sign my copy with no success.