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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Bllack Bridle on June 07, 2025, 07:32:27 PM
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Wins again under a hand drive , 26.1 on the end of it tmbz1 tmbz1
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I don’t think there’s a filly that can even come close to her right now … other than Miki And Minnie …
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I don’t think there’s a filly that can even come close to her right now … other than Miki And Minnie …
She looked like she could have won the NA Cup compared to those eliminations.
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Not sure I agree, I just think there are only a small handful of top 3-year-old fillies so the wins look more impressive. There are definitely more very good 3-year-old colts so maybe they don't look as impressive to you because the competition is tougher.
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Not sure I agree, I just think there are only a small handful of top 3-year-old fillies so the wins look more impressive. There are definitely more very good 3-year-old colts so maybe they don't look as impressive to you because the competition is tougher.
She would have won any of the Cup eliminations.
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You can think that, but you really have no way of knowing. You're saying that because she dominated a field of weak fillies. The 3 colt divisions were much more competitive fields than hers. Either way it doesn't really matter anyway. I would have liked to see her run against the boys to find out how good she really is.
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The filly is a creature and borderline once in a lifetime filly but if she raced like Boyd's colt she would have gotten distanced. You cannot boat fractions and get everything your own way for 10 starts against state bred fillies of questionable ability then hook these colts. Very smart move for Nick to talk the old guy into the sensible approach. And I'm on record as she will not beat Mini, I hope she does but I can't see it. James can beat up on that driving colony but beating Dex is another story.
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easy there kenny
lets see if she can beat mickie and minnie next week
still dont think she is top 2 in any of the na cup elims
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easy there kenny
lets see if she can beat mickie and minnie next week
still dont think she is top 2 in any of the na cup elims
She would have beat Louprint and Captain Optimistic easy.
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Pure speculation as to how she would have fared against the boys, but her mile was very impressive. Basically a glorified qualifier.
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You can think that, but you really have no way of knowing. You're saying that because she dominated a field of weak fillies. The 3 colt divisions were much more competitive fields than hers. Either way it doesn't really matter anyway. I would have liked to see her run against the boys to find out how good she really is. What I would really like to see this year is Twin B Joe Fresh face the boys because I think she's much better than they are.
Twin B is an absolute monster but she is benefiting from how watered down the mare side has become on both the trot and pace due to breeding. It has gotten too lucrative and all the good ones are gettting put in the shed early. Look at the trotting side - there is nothing - I’m surprised they haven’t brought Allegiant back to pick up some easy crumbs.
Chantilly would have to get a trip against the boys but in the big races there just aren’t any breaks and she is used to getting a lot.
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in 1991--Miss Easy tried the boys in The M1 Pace
she raced against Precious Bunny in her elim, got crushed ....and was never as dominant after that
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Twin B is an absolute monster but she is benefiting from how watered down the mare side has become on both the trot and pace due to breeding. It has gotten too lucrative and all the good ones are gettting put in the shed early. Look at the trotting side - there is nothing - I’m surprised they haven’t brought Allegiant back to pick up some easy crumbs.
Chantilly would have to get a trip against the boys but in the big races there just aren’t any breaks and she is used to getting a lot.
Allegiant is kicking ass in Europe.
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Allegiant is kicking ass in Europe.
She is but she could have made as much winning a condition event here vs what she won in her first race there
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Twin B is an absolute monster but she is benefiting from how watered down the mare side has become on both the trot and pace due to breeding. It has gotten too lucrative and all the good ones are gettting put in the shed early. Look at the trotting side - there is nothing - I’m surprised they haven’t brought Allegiant back to pick up some easy crumbs.I
In my opinion Twin B Joe Fresh could have beaten the boys last year. Chris Ryder doesn't rule out facing the males on occasion this year.
Chantilly would have to get a trip against the boys but in the big races there just aren’t any breaks and she is used to getting a lot.
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in 1991--Miss Easy tried the boys in The M1 Pace
she raced against Precious Bunny in her elim, got crushed ....and was never as dominant after that
Chantilly would not have made the final against the boys, she has never gone that fast
Twin B should be racing against the boys, but I do not see her staked into the male ffa Big M events later, I guess they could supplement? The FFA division for males appears in a transition this year. You have some very good 4 yos like Nijinksy, Luke, Albano...some great horses who do their best work on smaller tracks like Mossdale, Ken, Desperate...then you have returning horses who are showing signs of perhaps slipping like Ruthless, Abucketabett, and Bythemisssal. Then there a bunch of competive horses who with the right trips could be factors like Maximus, Oakwood, Voukefalas, Seven Colors, Stefanos...and then the wildcard Brue Hanover who i dont think is staked to much. Likely a year where we never see ALL the good ones together until the Breeders Crown as they focus on the tracks they can win at. Twin B can definitely race with the top horses at the Meadowlands so hope we see it at least on Hambo Day.
for the aged trotters...R Melina, Michelle, Elista, Datenight, Drawn Impression are all back so its a decent group with Dial Square coming out of nowwhere
I do agree the aged mare pacing divisions has falled out. Besides Twin B, EJ, Slyvia, Aardie, there is not much. Where is Its a Love Thing..she was supposed to comeback.
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Twin B is an absolute monster but she is benefiting from how watered down the mare side has become on both the trot and pace due to breeding. It has gotten too lucrative and all the good ones are gettting put in the shed early. Look at the trotting side - there is nothing - I’m surprised they haven’t brought Allegiant back to pick up some easy crumbs.
Chantilly would have to get a trip against the boys but in the big races there just aren’t any breaks and she is used to getting a lot.
What does this have to do with Chantilly? You switched to 4 year olds
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Twin B is an absolute monster but she is benefiting from how watered down the mare side has become on both the trot and pace due to breeding. It has gotten too lucrative and all the good ones are gettting put in the shed early. Look at the trotting side - there is nothing - I’m surprised they haven’t brought Allegiant back to pick up some easy crumbs.
Chantilly would have to get a trip against the boys but in the big races there just aren’t any breaks and she is used to getting a lot.
FYI in Europe they have many more races for 4yr olds. She will be back stateside late this year or next year when it makes sense.
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What does this have to do with Chantilly? You switched to 4 year olds
This thread was mainly about Chantilly and whether or not she could beat the boys, so just for comparison's sake, Twin B Joe Fresh was mentioned as possibly taking on males sometime this year. As much as people go off topic on other threads, I see no problem straying a bit as long as it's about racing as opposed to a lot of the other BS that goes on here daily.
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I thought I read Ryder was not about it.
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Going back to last year before the Breeder's Crown, Ryder was asked about possibly running in the Open Pace for older horses he said not this year but wouldn't rule it out in the future. With so few races for Aged mares, if she is totally dominate again, I can see him taking a shot somewhere.
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Maybe towards the end of the year. I’d like to see her give it a go. tmbz1
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There's a huge difference in a race where Chantilly gets to male the fractions she wants because no one will challenge her early as opposed to lining up against the boys where she's gonna have to fight for position. Let her get past Miki n Minnie 1st
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Chantilly would not have made the final against the boys, she has never gone that fast
She has gone faster that many of the horses in the NA Cup elimination and she has never had to go faster.
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I'm not big on comparing horses abilities based on times, it's like in the old days when some horses used to have time trials to establish a lifetime mark. I think the competition they're facing is much more important. Chantilly has been very impressive but has yet to really be tested, and all her wins have come in Canada. That's not to take anything away from her. You measure a horse's real class when they're facing open company on a regular basis. It's obvious, maybe not to you, that this year's crop of 3-year-old colts is much stronger as a group than the 3-year-old fillies. Can Chantilly compete with them, who knows, but chances are we'll never find out.
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I'm not big on comparing horses abilities based on times, it's like in the old days when some horses used to have time trials to establish a lifetime mark. I think the competition they're facing is much more important. Chantilly has been very impressive but has yet to really be tested, and all her wins have come in Canada. That's not to take anything away from her. You measure a horse's real class when they're facing open company on a regular basis. It's obvious, maybe not to you, that this year's crop of 3-year-old colts is much stronger as a group than the 3-year-old fillies. Can Chantilly compete with them, who knows, but chances are we'll never find out.
And most of the other like Louprint for example of only been competing in sire stakes.
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True, but the PA Sires Stakes for 3-year-old colts is much more competitive than the OSS for 3-year-old fillies. Lou Print did win the Breeder's Crown for 2-year-olds last year against open company. I'm not sure Lou Print is even the best 3-year-old colt, it's much too early in the season to make a judgement. Btw, it's nice to have someone actually talk civilly about horses and races rather than the other stuff that gets beaten to death on here every day.
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I think she would’ve definitely been smoked by the boys.
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I think she would’ve definitely been smoked by the boys.
Not always a bad thing.
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Some of the stupidest comments I’ve ever seen on a thread in my life right here . Mikkie and Minnie will break her in half if she shows up like she did Saturday nite .
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Some of the stupidest comments I’ve ever seen on a thread in my life right here . Mikkie and Minnie will break her in half if she shows up like she did Saturday nite .
Chantilly has been given cake walks. She will need to show something this week. Will be her biggest challenge to date. But this talk of racing the boys is a bit ridiculous.