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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: LUCPARK on May 26, 2025, 06:46:53 PM
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I watch a lot of racing both tbreds and harness
Who the FCK told some of these guys they can handicap
Can ANY PLOPER GIVE ME THE PREREQUISITE TO BE A HANDICAP EXPERT
OR IS IT JUST ABILITY TO READ
IM ASKING FOR A FRIEND
THK U
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I watch a lot of racing both tbreds and harness
Who the FCK told some of these guys they can handicap
Can ANY PLOPER GIVE ME THE PREREQUISITE TO BE A HANDICAP EXPERT
OR IS IT JUST ABILITY TO READ
IM ASKING FOR A FRIEND
THK U
You'll have to ask JOHN FRANK that question! He's the forum Capper!
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You'll have to ask JOHN FRANK that question! He's the forum Capper!
There you go lying again. That would be Grandstand Handicapper, says it right in his name now doesn't it??? BTW, he's been very quiet lately. ngc3
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I watch a lot of racing both tbreds and harness
Who the FCK told some of these guys they can handicap
Can ANY PLOPER GIVE ME THE PREREQUISITE TO BE A HANDICAP EXPERT
OR IS IT JUST ABILITY TO READ
IM ASKING FOR A FRIEND
THK U
I agree with you Luc, 100%
Not many so called expert handicappers are actually worth shit. Some of them i automatically toss whatever they like.
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Everyone on here is the best capper until real money come into play!
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Longevity , studying the game and evolving with the constant changing trends. It really helps if you have a great eye for horseflesh, each post parade and scoredown you can eliminate 2 or three just on looks. I guess knowing trainers habits is key......its all trainers in harness racing. TBreds I dont stand a chace :P
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There you go lying again. That would be Grandstand Handicapper, says it right in his name now doesn't it??? BTW, he's been very quiet lately. ngc3
Grandstand Handicapper isn't involved in the gambling world very much
his unawareness/ignorance about Elite Turf Club and how they operate is evidence of this
he seems to want to comment on anything and everything--but is mysteriously quiet the last few days
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dan nants thinks hes the best ever
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dan nants thinks hes the best ever
That bastard owes me 5 bucks!
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I have been following both Throughbred and Harness Racing for over 50 years. I've unsuccessfully owned both breeds during the 80's and 90's and am now only a amateur handicapper. I mostly look at flims to see the "trips" horses have had and the class they currently run in. Some trainer have "angles" that you can also watch. All in all, it's a lot of fun to handicap a winner. I always tell my fellow handicappers to "pick their own losers". It will feel a lot nicer when you "land" that winner.
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Maggie Wolfendale at Nyra is very good. Giving selections more lately than just commenting on them physically. But when she says a favorite doesn't look good on the track, toss em. The Mig also been very good. The rest are redboarders.
Mark at Mountaineer knows his stuff and has a huge history base at the Mountain
Public harness handicappers are dull and a waste of time.
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Maggie Wolfendale at Nyra is very good. Giving selections more lately than just commenting on them physically. But when she says a favorite doesn't look good on the track, toss em. The Mig also been very good. The rest are redboarders.
Mark at Mountaineer knows his stuff and has a huge history base at the Mountain
Public harness handicappers are dull and a waste of time.
I like that Jonathan dude..Guy who looks like a Hawanian
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I like that Jonathan dude..Guy who looks like a Hawanian
Yet Kinchen gives some good advice. Especially on turf races
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I watch a lot of racing both tbreds and harness
Who the FCK told some of these guys they can handicap
Can ANY PLOPER GIVE ME THE PREREQUISITE TO BE A HANDICAP EXPERT
OR IS IT JUST ABILITY TO READ
IM ASKING FOR A FRIEND
THK U
just because your shoes have 3 inch soles doesn't mean it's safe for you to ride the roller coaster
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Yet Kinchen gives some good advice. Especially on turf races
Kitchen is good Andy sterling is my fav
Don’t care for a few of the others
Richie mig is also very good
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Can’t watch the bigm because of the handicappers
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Gural just paying as cheap as he can for in house show
Dave Little been picking 3/5 shots since the 80s ...
his picks were in NY Post or Daily News way back in the day
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Little just reads the morning line
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Grandstand Handicapper isn't involved in the gambling world very much
his unawareness/ignorance about Elite Turf Club and how they operate is evidence of this
he seems to want to comment on anything and everything--but is mysteriously quiet the last few days
Right. Elite Turf Club? Never heard of 'em.
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A good handicapper to me is a person that makes money......
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I use the Ginsberg method. Anybody remember that one?
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I watch a lot of racing both tbreds and harness
Who the FCK told some of these guys they can handicap
Can ANY PLOPER GIVE ME THE PREREQUISITE TO BE A HANDICAP EXPERT
OR IS IT JUST ABILITY TO READ
IM ASKING FOR A FRIEND
THK U
I've "watched" you type. Pretty sure you can't read either.
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Right. Elite Turf Club? Never heard of 'em.
A lot of interesting and intriguing comments here. Thanks for that. Real gamblers, professionals, need to bet into large pools. It's just a fact. They have to be able to bet without substantially impacting the odds. Period. They could not care less about CAW handle...UNTIL it impacts them. Name me one professional who is complaining about the CAW player(s). Show me one on record. You can say that the rebates paid, the mere existence of the CAW player(s) impacts me -- but I say it doesn't. One professional, one of the biggest bettors in the game told me off the record, that if it weren't for the Meadowlands and Woodbine/Mohawk "paying" for the CAW player(s) -- they would lower the takeout? Really? Lowering the takeout always eliminates the track's competition (offshore for example). He then told me that those same tracks, or any other major track that attracts my play could provide me with incentives, and not the CAW player(s). Chicken and egg. I don't see one track changing their business model to me or for me because of the CAW player. They were around a lot longer than most people knew about them.
All that said, the CAW player(s) are not betting on horses. They are using objective science and algorithms, analyzing data, and playing math, numbers, formulas, whatever you want to call them. Me, I am handicapping races. I am picking and choosing the races I want to bet on. I handicap horses and the race. I watch them, look at them, gather information, and yes, I watch the odds, very, very closely. But I know the very few, select tracks I play, I know when they cut off the CAW player(s). Drag, delays, overlap reactions, whatever, all of it. That's valuable information to me. That impacts me. That information is perhaps priceless. Not to oversimplify, but I don't want to play a horse "strong" at 6-1, only to have him go off as the 2-1. CAW or late money aside, whether or not I would have bet the horse at 2-1 is not the question -- and I wouldn't answer that question anway, LOL -- but the odds change absolutely changes the structure of my bet, how I bet into the race, it changes my number(s) and perception, and quantification of "value" (yes, I quantify value).
But every professional I know, and I know most of them, none of them are boycotting, changing their career, or anything of the like because of CAW. If the $2 bettor is, so be it. Good luck to you. If you tell me 50% of the handle at the Meadowlands is coming from CAW -- tell me the difference if it disappeared tomorrow. Other than the handle being 50% lower, what impact is that going to have on the players who make up the remaining 50%?
these, plus a few from other CAW comments about not believing that CAW make up 50% of the handle are some reasons that give me faith you are not that involved
sorry,,nothing personal
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No need to be sorry at all. Carry on.