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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Brown jug on May 05, 2025, 01:46:20 PM
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the last few weeks mohawk has run the preferred pace and preferred trot
on the pace side you have brue hanover crushing everyone now for 5-6 weeks
on the trot side you have logan park , winning as he pleases, now gaines hanover in the mix
but the race office never makes these a handicap ???
would it not make for a more competitive race and wagering opportunity if post positions were assigned/handicapped based on earnings in the last 3 or 5 races
so ridiculous to see logan park or brue hanover draw the 3,4 post and go off at 1/9
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so ridiculous to see logan park or brue hanover draw the 3,4 post and go off at 1/9
Either would be undeterred by a less good post. But Logan Park must be packing his bags for Sweden and Nijinsky made a final 1/4 of 25.4 look like a Sunday jog this morning. So things can change and soon.
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Drawing outside would actually help both of them but things will change soon
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lets hope
the tracks in the usa have no issue doing handicaps but s for some reason not here
you think mohawk would try something different in that class
i agree whip , the way mohawk is 6 or 7 is ideal, maybe handicap them with the rail !!!
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What some tracks do when the same horse wins the feature 2 or 3 weeks in a row, they make him skip a week, or in Delaware assign them the outside post.
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lets hope
the tracks in the usa have no issue doing handicaps but s for some reason not here
you think mohawk would try something different in that class
i agree whip , the way mohawk is 6 or 7 is ideal, maybe handicap them with the rail !!!
handicapping the best horse with the rail would be logical
i doubt WEG cares much about assigning post positions in these small fields
amazing how post #6 is such a huge help--for several years now not just a small sample size
the driver can see what is going on inside and out
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It's easier to leave from the outside at Mohawk than the inside.
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It's easier to leave from the outside at Mohawk than the inside.
for sure
even worse for trotters on the inside
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Worse spots for the leavers definitely 3-4 at Mohawk, get squeezed by horses firing outside. Agree with another poster, hate betting trotters with the rail honestly
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good comments
question for you guys that are regular gamblers
these preferred races with the heavy chalks that have won 3-4 in a row, do you bet these races or just pass on them
i guess my point was just that i assume these races do lower handle than more competitive and even races
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The win pool is definitely lower because people are betting exotics instead.
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good comments
question for you guys that are regular gamblers
these preferred races with the heavy chalks that have won 3-4 in a row, do you bet these races or just pass on them
i guess my point was just that i assume these races do lower handle than more competitive and even races
Watch no wager
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Watch no wager
Agreed. If I had to drive to the track to wager, I probably would, but being in the comfort of my house it's easy to pass on a race when there are so many tracks and races to choose from.
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Why not handicap heavy favorites with distance instead of post?
Races in Europe, where horse racing is actually growing, often have 10-20 yard distance handicaps.
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calhoun, interesting and good idea
i guess it could be like in the tbreds were sometimes horses carry more weight
absolutely worth a shot
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good comments
question for you guys that are regular gamblers
these preferred races with the heavy chalks that have won 3-4 in a row, do you bet these races or just pass on them
i guess my point was just that i assume these races do lower handle than more competitive and even races
i pass on every Mohawk race the last two years
the dramatic odds drop/betting after the bell makes that place impossible to play--it has been worse these last 24 months
i still watch here and there
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right on
some nights even chad rozema is shocked when he sees the odds at the 1/4 pole and how they have changed since the horses went behind the gate
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Our friends at the now defunct Cal Expo used to run their preferred events with all but one of their starters in normal formation with the heavy favorite heading out to the outside #10 all by himself.
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Very interesting and thought provoking thread/comments. I've been working Woodbine and in the short field top class, one, it's temporary, so people grab while the grabbing is good. Two, for me, I am looking to beat the favorite and if I can't, it's better next time, LOL. While the traditional handicap might not be a true handicap, why not do it. Sure. People can argue all day long that it might help this horse or that horse, but that's why the run the races. Might. LOL. Good idea.
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jc, i like that idea
what if the race secretary actually put some thought into it
take Monday night pref trot( fyi i dont think it would make a difference in the result based on logan park) however...
logan park starts 10
gaines hanover 8
fashion frenzie 6
of course many nights different horses etc but the format would still be applicable
the remaining 4 horses draw for 1-4 post based on earnings last 5,
maybe that gets some betting interest
also you cant just be handing out $18k weekly for a jog around the track
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jc, i like that idea
what if the race secretary actually put some thought into it
take Monday night pref trot( fyi i dont think it would make a difference in the result based on logan park) however...
logan park starts 10
gaines hanover 8
fashion frenzie 6
of course many nights different horses etc but the format would still be applicable
the remaining 4 horses draw for 1-4 post based on earnings last 5,
maybe that gets some betting interest
also you cant just be handing out $18k weekly for a jog around the track
i agree 100%--but we are talking about a bunch of judges who cant even handle pylon violations--so there is not a lot of confidence they could judge if these post positions are really followed behind the gate-and of course they wouldnt DQ or scratch a horse because he/she lined up illegally as they leave
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Our friends at the now defunct Cal Expo used to run their preferred events with all but one of their starters in normal formation with the heavy favorite heading out to the outside #10 all by himself.
That's interesting.