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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Harness Racing Revolution on April 16, 2025, 10:07:02 PM
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Direct from the inside. Bartlett told the owner horse was running in, putting in steps and he didn't want to hurt him had a bad foot. The kicker is the owner used to have their horses with Per and pulled them because they were getting screwed and also worried about his appeal. I'll leave out what they really think. And it also lines up perfectly with what Mike Rizzo told me when Bartlett used to drive his good mare at YR and certain individuals wanted to buy her, right before he was told he cannot race there anymore, last spring. Take all that and you people can figure it out.
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And while we're on the subject...
Expect the ruling to be announced very soon. I ain't saying nothin'! ngc3
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Keep the pressure on, it's working Mike!!
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Really feels like nothing will be done. Horse ran in slightly well before he grabbed into him. He was straightened out and moving forward and then was put in a choke hold by Bartlett after realizing he would be at least second if he didn't. Bartlett is a lying POS and the powers that could give the betting public some confidence in the industry sit back and don't do shit! Fuck you M1, NJRC and Jason Bartlett!
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The silence of the powers that be is deafening.
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If it were a lesser driver, something might have been done, but since Bartlett is a top driver, they're taking him at his word.
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Really feels like nothing will be done. Horse ran in slightly well before he grabbed into him. He was straightened out and moving forward and then was put in a choke hold by Bartlett after realizing he would be at least second if he didn't. Bartlett is a lying POS and the powers that could give the betting public some confidence in the industry sit back and don't do shit! Fuck you M1, NJRC and Jason Bartlett!
tmbz1. Exactly why harness racing is finished
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The T Breds band riders who stand up before the finish, this is more egregious
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looking at the horses race lines he has made breaks in the past....if Bartlett did not take a hold on him he runs like a reindeer.
You guys do not have a clue.....sit behind one that is sore or goes lame late in the mile before you castigate someone.....moron s
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If it were a lesser driver, something might have been done, but since Bartlett is a top driver, they're taking him at his word.
100% true ..unfortunately
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Really feels like nothing will be done. Horse ran in slightly well before he grabbed into him. He was straightened out and moving forward and then was put in a choke hold by Bartlett after realizing he would be at least second if he didn't. Bartlett is a lying POS and the powers that could give the betting public some confidence in the industry sit back and don't do shit! Fuck you M1, NJRC and Jason Bartlett!
i 100% agree with all of this tmbz1
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looking at the horses race lines he has made breaks in the past....if Bartlett did not take a hold on him he runs like a reindeer.
You guys do not have a clue.....sit behind one that is sore or goes lame late in the mile before you castigate someone.....moron s
You are blind, I've sat behind a horse, this was a classic stiff, though not hidden very well
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You are blind, I've sat behind a horse, this was a classic stiff, though not hidden very well
You'd have to be blind to not see that stiff job. Bartlett forgot that he was on camera and we could all see that blatant stiff job! He should be handed a fine AND suspension. No excuses!
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Curious....financ ially what does he get out of stiffing the horse??
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Curious....financially what does he get out of stiffing the horse??
Someone should look into his betting history :/ My guess is he had a big bet for the tri and super . No brainer
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If he did, which I extremely doubt, the trifecta and superfecta prices weren't out of line at all. I find it hard to believe a driver making $600,000 a year is betting at all especially against himself, way too much to lose doing that.
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If he did, which I extremely doubt, the trifecta and superfecta prices weren't out of line at all. I find it hard to believe a driver making $600,000 a year is betting at all especially against himself, way too much to lose doing that.
those pools are too small to make any money
horizontals like pick5 and pick6s would be the logical spots-but with Elite seeing every combination played before they send it in--it is probably not worth it
wagers outside the pools, offshore, bookies, etc would be the only way to make a big bet
why would Bartlett do this?
his explanation has a smell to it...obviously he grabbed him late-finishing 5th instead of 2nd
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Who knows what his explanation was for grabbing up, maybe he felt something, but I don't think it was to cash a bet.
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The top drivers like Bartlett don't bet their own money. They have clients that do it in exchange for info. Bartlett was caught and should never be allowed to set foot on M1 property but read the Bible..."Money is the root of all evil"..Translation..Th e people who rule are complicit and compromised.
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The top drivers like Bartlett don't bet their own money. They have clients that do it in exchange for info. Bartlett was caught and should never be allowed to set foot on M1 property but read the Bible..."Money is the root of all evil"..Translation..Th e people who rule are complicit and compromised.
The proof used to be kept in the center console of a white Lexus.
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Maybe....I just don't see how he gets anything financially out of stiffing a horse compared to his income.
Keeping a horse in the same class and cashing checks...that I get.
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Maybe....I just don't see how he gets anything financially out of stiffing a horse compared to his income.
Keeping a horse in the same class and cashing checks...that I get.
There are other benefits to putting a bad line on one. Think about it.
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Maybe....I just don't see how he gets anything financially out of stiffing a horse compared to his income.
Keeping a horse in the same class and cashing checks...that I get.
Someone gives him an envelope with $1000 or $2500 or whatever it is in it to not be on the board. How does that not make him money? More than he’d get for winning a race in that class.
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There are other benefits to putting a bad line on one. Think about it.
Cash a ticket not being on the board that night, cash another ticket on that horse at higher odds down the road. People can’t be this clueless can they mike? tmbz1
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The proof used to be kept in the center console of a white Lexus.
tmbz1 tmbz1
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There are other benefits to putting a bad line on one. Think about it.
Correct
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Someone gives him an envelope with $1000 or $2500 or whatever it is in it to not be on the board. How does that not make him money? More than he’d get for winning a race in that class.
It happens more than you know.
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Cash a ticket not being on the board that night, cash another ticket on that horse at higher odds down the road. People can’t be this clueless can they mike? tmbz1
Or ...repeat what was done to Mike Rizzo last year at Yonkers with his good mare. Come back get off the bike and on the ramp say Per Engnloms owner wants to buy her. He says no. Two weeks later he's barred from Yonkers.
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I get what you're saying but why get that close in the first place if your goal is to run out. Get locked in, follow dead cover, break your horse to avoid what he ended up doing.
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Cash a ticket not being on the board that night, cash another ticket on that horse at higher odds down the road. People can’t be this clueless can they mike? tmbz1
BINGO! EXXXXXACTLY 100% THIS ! tmbz1 tmbz1 tmbz1
Trainer is involved also...wants bigger odds on the horse next out....happens in both SB and TB .
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I get what you're saying but why get that close in the first place if your goal is to run out. Get locked in, follow dead cover, break your horse to avoid what he ended up doing.
He told the owner and get this the last 50 yards foot was bothering him so he RIPPED him to not hurt him. He's sold his soul. So again think. It isn't the first time. Is it ethical that any catch driver play buyers agent with horses he's driven???
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Thanks for the info, Mike.
But I am flabbergasted that M1 and NJRWB have not made a statement reflecting "their conern for the betting public and harness fan"
yeah right.
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agreed
and for those believing in the fairy tale he was trying to hold the horse together to prevent braking ???
i suggest at that point in the mile be it gambler, owner, trainer or driver i say let him roll and take your chances
you fuckin finished 5th anyway
hahahaha!!
wake up people
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Just my $0.02, I thought the horse was starting to hang just before Jason took hold of him. A bad look, but who knows the outcome if he persevered on the horse.
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Thanks for the info, Mike.
But I am flabbergasted that M1 and NJRWB have not made a statement reflecting "their conern for the betting public and harness fan"
yeah right.
Of all people Joe Faraldo called this years ago. Not that he's any angel himself. But the self proclaimed leaders of "integrity" are full of shit. https://harnessracingupdate.com/2022/03/04/faraldo-on-gural-so-much-for-transparency-and-integrity-and-hello-to-more-bewildering-hypocrisy/
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Does the OP have any prior run ins or issues with Jasin?
He wouldn't go on & on like this over a personal vendetta, would be?
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Does the OP have any prior run ins or issues with Jasin?
He wouldn't go on & on like this over a personal vendetta, would be?
Troll alert....aka chicken shit typer. First of all, I didn't start the whole lack of effort thing. Not even close. And if you listen "which you say you don't to what I say" I saw all this coming two years ago when Jason asked me to back off Josh Marks, Richie Banca and Mark Ford. Think I don't know they pressed him? He does have a lot to lose and at our last meeting I told him I get it and maybe we shouldn't talk for a while. UNTIL he threatened me, so if you call it a vendetta nobody gives a shit. The replay speaks for itself and the majority agree something isn't right. I know 100% Jason doesn't gamble. That doesn't mean he's innocent. Just drives you fucking nuts doesn't it, while you type on Horseplop I can reach OUTSIDE the business and get answers. This time the owners of the horse he drove contacted me. And they had PLENTY to say. Keep typing.....typing .....typing.....a nd accomplishing squat. Lemme guess, next is talk about my kids, family, I'm on welfare....blah, blah, blahhhhh. ngc3
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those pools are too small to make any money
horizontals like pick5 and pick6s would be the logical spots-but with Elite seeing every combination played before they send it in--it is probably not worth it
wagers outside the pools, offshore, bookies, etc would be the only way to make a big bet
why would Bartlett do this?
his explanation has a smell to it...obviously he grabbed him late-finishing 5th instead of 2nd
Doesn't matter who it is or whose money it is. There is your answer.
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Just my $0.02, I thought the horse was starting to hang just before Jason took hold of him. A bad look, but who knows the outcome if he persevered on the horse.
None of that matters to the $2 bettors. He should get banned for life for not beating the shit out of that horse
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Troll alert....aka chicken shit typer. First of all, I didn't start the whole lack of effort thing. Not even close. And if you listen "which you say you don't to what I say" I saw all this coming two years ago when Jason asked me to back off Josh Marks, Richie Banca and Mark Ford. Think I don't know they pressed him? He does have a lot to lose and at our last meeting I told him I get it and maybe we shouldn't talk for a while. UNTIL he threatened me, so if you call it a vendetta nobody gives a shit. The replay speaks for itself and the majority agree something isn't right. I know 100% Jason doesn't gamble. That doesn't mean he's innocent. Just drives you fucking nuts doesn't it, while you type on Horseplop I can reach OUTSIDE the business and get answers. This time the owners of the horse he drove contacted me. And they had PLENTY to say. Keep typing.....typing .....typing.....a nd accomplishing squat. Lemme guess, next is talk about my kids, family, I'm on welfare....blah, blah, blahhhhh. ngc3
Bartlett was first call for those trainers. News flash every top driver in the industry has been first call for suspect trainers including John Campbell on Robinson horses. Maybe you missed this but when that top trainer finally gets caught the best drivers keep on driving for guys they had previously picked off there horses because they are best available
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Bartlett was first call for those trainers. News flash every top driver in the industry has been first call for suspect trainers including John Campbell on Robinson horses. Maybe you missed this but when that top trainer finally gets caught the best drivers keep on driving for guys they had previously picked off there horses because they are best available
Dowse gets tossed. When was Per ever a number two in the country barn? Suddenly he's got a barn full of pacers and can't lose. Bartlett is the contract driver. Never missed a beat. I'm not going to keep repeating the obvious, but there are two common denominators. As for Per, the news should drop soon.
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Dowse gets tossed. When was Per ever a number two in the country barn? Suddenly he's got a barn full of pacers and can't lose. Bartlett is the contract driver. Never missed a beat. I'm not going to keep repeating the obvious, but there are two common denominators. As for Per, the news should drop soon.
Do you want to bet if Bartlett ever wins another race once Per goes on vacation? Per wins a lot of races but Jason wins 100x more every year and was winning before anyone knew Per’s name
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looking at the horses race lines he has made breaks in the past....if Bartlett did not take a hold on him he runs like a reindeer.
You guys do not have a clue.....sit behind one that is sore or goes lame late in the mile before you castigate someone.....moron s
WTF
READ ALL THE POSTS ABOUT HOW THE HORSE WAS STIFFED !!!! THE COUCH DRIVERS ON HERE ARE EXPERTS EVEN THIOTHEY NEVER DROVE A HORSE .
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Do you want to bet if Bartlett ever wins another race once Per goes on vacation? Per wins a lot of races but Jason wins 100x more every year and was winning before anyone knew Per’s name
Missing my point, not disputing that. It's just coincidence that Gareth who everyone knows was fronting for JM. There was a pivot man there who spoke with Josh EVERY night. Gareth gets tossed and Per shoots to the top in less than a year. Not a beat is missed. The next pool should be who takes over for Per? His brother and business as usual?
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WTF
READ ALL THE POSTS ABOUT HOW THE HORSE WAS STIFFED !!!! THE COUCH DRIVERS ON HERE ARE EXPERTS EVEN THIOTHEY NEVER DROVE A HORSE .
😆😆😆😆😆😆
Come on anyone with a set of eyes knows that's a stiff job plain and simple, and yes I have sat behind a horse multiple times. Coming around the final turn that horse was full of run, tipped 3 wide and had clear sailing. Bartlett hardly touched that horse. If he was working him down the stretch he wins by multiple lengths. Also that horse was 8-1 morning line and bet down to 8-5.Lots of red flags and like scm mentioned, who I don't agree with much, this is not the first time. And no I didn't bet the race.
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looks bad
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Come on anyone with a set of eyes knows that's a stiff job plain and simple, and yes I have sat behind a horse multiple times. Coming around the final turn that horse was full of run, tipped 3 wide and had clear sailing. Bartlett hardly touched that horse. If he was working him down the stretch he wins by multiple lengths. Also that horse was 8-1 morning line and bet down to 8-5.Lots of red flags and like scm mentioned, who I don't agree with much, this is not the first time. And no
I didn't bet the race.
8/1 morning line and bet down to 8/5. WTF did the connections not know the fix was in to finish 5th?