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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Parked on November 04, 2024, 10:56:13 AM
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In an hour or so the smoke and mirrors show starts.
All the farms hyping their consignments and telling how great everything is.
Meanwhile tracks are closing, handle is down, attendance is practically nothing. Purses are on life support, Previous owners are getting out or passing away.
Owners like I are not even going to the sale. I have bought from 2 to 5 yearlings a year for nearly 30 years but none this year. Its been a fun ride but cant compete with the big stables any more.
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Sorry to hear about your decision but probably the right move. Unless you want to load your race horse with drugs, the honest trainer doesn’t have a chance. Been saying for many years , the cheats keep cutting their own throats and not smart enough to realize it. Another 10 years or less there will be no harness racing anymore. Writing is on the wall.
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i am a bit confused parked
you think the industry is on its death bed but the yearlings are going for so much money that you cant afford to buy them
seems to me if the industry was on its deathbed the yearlings would be going down in price not up
to be clear i am not debating some of your comments, we all know the unfortunate shit that goes on
if you look closely there is actually a lot of new owners who have come in with lots of money in the last few years
new training center built in ohio, new training center being built in kentucky etc
the industry goes on in spite of itself
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David McDuffee (signed as agent) went to $410,000 for the Captaintreacherou s colt out of Santa Rosa.
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New sales topper, LOL.
Walner filly out of Swinging Royalty just sold for $760,000.
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Walner brother to Maryland goes for $1mm. I hope for Andrew that he is just told what to buy and how high to go. Really tough to justify spending that on a colt. I would rather have 5 @ $200m or 10 @ $100k than one for a million
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yup, clearly the industry is in shambles !! ngc3
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i am a bit confused parked
you think the industry is on its death bed but the yearlings are going for so much money that you cant afford to buy them
seems to me if the industry was on its deathbed the yearlings would be going down in price not up
to be clear i am not debating some of your comments, we all know the unfortunate shit that goes on
if you look closely there is actually a lot of new owners who have come in with lots of money in the last few years
new training center built in ohio, new training center being built in kentucky etc
the industry goes on in spite of itself
I can afford to buy any yearling I want. By not being able to compete I meant the trainers I use can’t compete as I tell them “ a positive and The horses gol. “ and the big boys have the stake drivers locked up so we are forced to use locals who for the most part are intimidated by them. Also, where I race there are 2 levels of the stakes program. The big stables have 2 or 3 top horses and there is usually just 1 , rarely 2 divisions of the top class so the others go in the next division down so they go as fast as the lesser division.
So, it is what ot is, I’ll just race out the horses I have and then watch by the wayside.
New owners ? Yes, a very few playboys that are keeping the breeders happy. But some the prices you see at the auction ,I believe, are manipulated.
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Walner brother to Maryland goes for $1mm. I hope for Andrew that he is just told what to buy and how high to go. Really tough to justify spending that on a colt. I would rather have 5 @ $200m or 10 @ $100k than one for a million
When you got cassie getting 5% of the purchase that thing is going to go HIGHHHHHHHH
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yup, clearly the industry is in shambles !! ngc3
The breeders are doing well but take a long look at the rest of the industry.
Like I said. Smoke and mirrors. Just go look at the $100,000 + yearling 2 hrs or so after they are sold. The go from extreme pampering the second they are sold, to the dungeon to wait to be shipped. Ever been in the holding barn ?? Scary….
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The Hannelore Hanover filly by Greenshoe only got $330,000
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1 MILLION FOR HIP 104
HARRIS BOUGHT HIM
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yes she "only" brought $330k m... she was a greenshoe
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yup, cassie in the corner biding up the horses she told harris to buy
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ok parked, i can certainly agree your position
unfortunately it has become a game for the big spenders
good time to be a breeder
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I can afford to buy any yearling I want. By not being able to compete I meant the trainers I use can’t compete as I tell them “ a positive and The horses gol. “ and the big boys have the stake drivers locked up so we are forced to use locals who for the most part are intimidated by them. Also, where I race there are 2 levels of the stakes program. The big stables have 2 or 3 top horses and there is usually just 1 , rarely 2 divisions of the top class so the others go in the next division down so they go as fast as the lesser division.
So, it is what ot is, I’ll just race out the horses I have and then watch by the wayside.
New owners ? Yes, a very few playboys that are keeping the breeders happy. But some the prices you see at the auction ,I believe, are manipulated.
I agree the big stables have squeezed out a lot of the little guys. They dominate the top yearling sales and forced the less desirable yearlings into the smaller stables. They then monopolize the Ohio stakes money and push the other better horses down to the stallion and even fair level where it becomes almost too competitive to make money with a mid level horse.
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When you got cassie getting 5% of the purchase that thing is going to go HIGHHHHHHHH
Yeap exactly that’s a $50k pay. She never had a trotter make it to the races
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the million trotter didn't look as good as his brother, I don't believe he'll be a big winner
name a top trotter Harris ever had
#82 out of Mission Brief went for $525,000, all previous 4 foals sold for a lot, did very little
#53 looked stunning and well bred, huge residual value, not as big a risk as many think
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the million trotter didn't look as good as his brother, I don't believe he'll be a big winner
name a top trotter Harris ever had
#82 out of Mission Brief went for $525,000, all previous 4 foals sold for a lot, did very little
#53 looked stunning and well bred, huge residual value, not as big a risk as many think
Waitlifter K only finished a length back in the hambo final in 16’…
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5 Walner horses pulling some HUGE numbers today (with 4 others > 6 figures.)
$1,000,000
$ 760,000
$ 525,000
$ 460,000
$ 450,000
Captain Corey and Perfect Stings a bit sticky.
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In my opinion spending that kind of money on a horse is fool hearty because most of them don't pan out. You'd be better off buying 4 or 5 horses at $100,000 instead of overpaying for the next potential superstar that usually ends up a bust. Going back a few years ago, Nancy Takter paid $800,000 for One Eight Hundred who turned out to be nothing special and I'm not sure he's even has earned half of that back.
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In my opinion spending that kind of money on a horse is fool hearty
Absolutely. Rene's mother is only buying inexpensive yearlings and they will likely pace sub 1:40.
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In my opinion spending that kind of money on a horse is fool hearty because most of them don't pan out. You'd be better off buying 4 or 5 horses at $100,000 instead of overpaying for the next potential superstar that usually ends up a bust. Going back a few years ago, Nancy Takter paid $800,000 for One Eight Hundred who turned out to be nothing special and I'm not sure he's even has earned half of that back.
I strongly agree; however, going back to the 1800's when the wealthy would pay big$$ to be able to win street races and throughout the thoroughbred racing seasons for the past 100 years, people do not always use ROI in a strict financial sense, but enjoy the trophies and winners' circle photos, which account for at least some of the "financially" irrational bids. For a few of the larger stables, like the Burkes and Svanstedts, their continued success over a long period of time has left them some residual values in sires and broodmares (they have then bred) who have gone on to generate good $$ on the racetrack.
Additionally, over the years, certain owners have been "generous" in granting ownership interests (sometimes just a token) and/or breedings to trainers (and even a few drivers); however those trainers and drivers do not wind up sharing the losses ;>>)
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I realize for a multi-millionaire, it's not about the money, it's more about the thrill of winning. Tony Alagna has one of the biggest stables around and many of his horses cost alot of money and turn out to be busts. He hasn't had many top horses in recent years to justify the amount of money he's spent. You'd be better off using a more low-profile trainer who can devote more time to your horses than Tony can.
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$1mm for the dam of Jiggy Jog carrying a full brother or sister. Smart move on the owners part - not sure you could sell at a better time