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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Way to go on October 13, 2024, 08:53:16 PM
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7 Fubinaca trainers
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Nothing will happen! tmbz1
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I'm sure Bobby Glassmeyer is on the list because he always is.
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Not even close.....
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Will anyone throw Morgan under the bus? I’ll still be surprised if anything comes of this.
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I follow the Delaware circuit closely, and in my opinion, Tony Morgan tries all the time as does his main guy Tim Crissman. Whether Crissman is juicing his horses is another thing, but I don't recall seeing any positive tests for him, which means he's either clean or hasn't been caught yet.
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None of the SEVEN have had any positives listed on FINES AND SUSPENSIONS involving these positives because the positives happened in MARCH and APRIL but hearings weren't until AUGUST, SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER
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I follow the Delaware circuit closely, and in my opinion, Tony Morgan tries all the time as does his main guy Tim Crissman. Whether Crissman is juicing his horses is another thing, but I don't recall seeing any positive tests for him, which means he's either clean or hasn't been caught yet.
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You don't know Jack about the DELAWARE circuit......
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I don't follow the DE circuit on an intimate, daily basis, but I do watch, listen, have friends there, and I know a lot of horsemen in DE. Personally, I think-----regulatory-wise, leniency, turning a blind eye and a deaf ear, testing, etc.-----while PA is the worst, I don't think DE is as "bad" per se, but I certainly don't think they are so great either. I do think that DE and their current standing leave much to be desired. Let's see what happens with these "hearings" and where this goes.
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Way to Go:
I've been following the Delaware circuit before you were born and have forgotten more about it than you'll ever know about so KMA. For some reason alot of you think everyone cheats and is dishonest and the judges are crooks. If that's the case, then why do you bother following it or even betting on it?
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Oh excuse me......I am not a gambler,just boots on the ground realist........ne edless to say you are childish......jus t saying
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I am not naive or childish or any other name you want to call me. I too am a realist and know there's some trainers getting away with illegal stuff. As far as the drivers on the that circuit, most of them give you an effort which is more than I can say about some circuits. Sometimes drivers are blamed for their drives when the trainer actually gave them a dead horse that week.
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Thanks so much for your expertise on this subject.....you are so well informed
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I agree! No charge!!
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Really.....
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I heard Crissman is on the list but i did not here Gasmeyers name.
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Is Tony Morgan the ringleader to whatever is going on there in DE?
No offense. The guy has had an amazing career. Like many, I knew him back from his younger days and of course in Chicago. Back in the day, in Chicago, I always thought he was a great small track/half-mile track driver. Smart driver. He has more wins than anyone other than Dave Palone and he can drive. Sure, he's getting up there in years. However, he can still go some, LOL.
BTW, for any of you who know Tony personally, or even as a distance acquaintance----and remember who you are talking to, the guy has been around horses his entire life, has driven over 100,000 horses, been behind God only knows how many, won almost 18,000 races, and has "seen it all" in this sport-----anyway, ask Tony Morgan who the greatest horse he's ever seen is?
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Glassmeyer had several positive tests on the same horse last year at Dover and the horse won the race all 3 times. The horse sat out for about 6 weeks after that. When it first came back it wasn't as good but later in the year got really good again and is currently running at Harrington and has won the $22,500 feature several times.
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Which Crissman, Chuck or Tim? Tony Morgan is still going strong at age 66. In fact, he was the leading driver last year at Dover because Tetrick only drove one day a week after the stake races were over. He's very aggressive and I have no complaints with his drives because I know what I'm going to get from him.
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Blah....blah..... blah.....blah.... .this subject has gone cold........
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Which Crissman, Chuck or Tim? Tony Morgan is still going strong at age 66. In fact, he was the leading driver last year at Dover because Tetrick only drove one day a week after the stake races were over. He's very aggressive and I have no complaints with his drives because I know what I'm going to get from him.
Tim.....Seems like Tony is the common denominator in this twist. But Tony has not been charged of anything that I know of. But the ones involved have been busy moving things around. I know Tony personally and he's willing to help you if he likes you. Problem is you have to give him cart blanche. Sometimes he can hurt more than help. Rumor is he owns many horses under beard names and most of the trainers involved have horses for him. Some have started to take steps to cover their butts because they know there up shits creek! But this is Delaware and the DHRC has always taken care of the "Good Ole Boys"!
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Tim.....Seems like Tony is the common denominator in this twist. But Tony has not been charged of anything that I know of. But the ones involved have been busy moving things around. I know Tony personally and he's willing to help you if he likes you. Problem is you have to give him cart blanche. Sometimes he can hurt more than help. Rumor is he owns many horses under beard names and most of the trainers involved have horses for him. Some have started to take steps to cover their butts because they know there up shits creek! But this is Delaware and the DHRC has always taken care of the "Good Ole Boys"!
This is what people are saying, and it makes sense. People saying is still nothing more than rumor and innuendo, but where there's smoke, well, in all likelihood, there could be fire. LOL.
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It definitely happened...but I doubt anything will come of it. Never does.
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Tim Crissman is winning at a 36% rate at the current Harrington meet, 26 wins in 73 starts. At last year's Dover meet he won at a rate of 21%. Tony Morgan drives the majority of his horses.
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No offense, but anyone who wins at 36%, anywhere, should be a target for the highest testing level possible and random out of competition testing, and more than once.
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Didn't they just raid Tony Morgan a few weeks ago?
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I don't disagree. Tim Crissman has around a 12-horse stable. They purchased a horse named Sir John B about 2 months ago, can't remember what track he came from, but since joining his barn, he's won 6 in a row at Harrington, jogging every time in condition races in pretty fast times. He didn't run this week. Obviously when someone is winning at such a high percentage, your first thought is, he's cheating, maybe he is, maybe he's just a better trainer than his previous trainer, who knows. I will give him credit for one thing, his horses are always a go which is more than I can say about some other guys.
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I don't disagree. He has around a 12-horse stable. They purchased a horse named Sir John B about 2 months ago, can't remember what track he came from, but since joining his barn, he's won 6 in a row at Harrington, jogging every time in condition races in pretty fast times. He didn't run this week. Obviously when someone is winning at such a high percentage, your first thought is, he's cheating, maybe he is, maybe he's just a better trainer than his previous trainer, who knows. I will give him credit for one thing, his horses are always a go which is more than I can say about some other guys.
I agree, but 36% is not about one horse, or two. It's about the entire barn! 36% for an entire barn just doesn't make sense to me. If nothing turns up---I would make him race out of a 48 hour detention barn. I would do everything I can to make sure other people are getting a fair and level playing field---and I want them to see I am doing that! How do you attract other trainers and horses if you are doing nothing to a guy who is shooting 36%. But, that's just me. I ain't running a racetrack. LOL.
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No one can win at 36% over an extended period of time and we're only talking about 73 starts. His winning % of 21% at Dover last year is probably more representative of his winning % which is a little on the high side but not unreasonable. I don't know him personally and he could be cheating, but sometimes people are presumed guilty because they're successful in their chosen field. Just like when a MLB player has a big HR year, the first thing you hear is he must be using PEDS.
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No one can win at 36% over an extended period of time and we're only talking about 73 starts. His winning % of 21% at Dover last year is probably more representative of his winning % which is a little on the high side but not unreasonable.
OK, I'll agree with that. But if this ends up being over an extended period of time---let's say 3 months---no way, I am not buying it. I don't care how much turnover there is. I don't care about the skewing or distortion of numbers, not over 3 months. A 12 horse barn? Racehorses? How many starts are we talking about in 3 months? 100 to 120? More? Very tough to buy.
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I'm suspicious of everybody but without proof, we don't know for sure, even though everyone on here seems to be. Doing it over an extended period of time for a condition horse would be difficult because he'd be moving up in class and eventually be overmatched. He had a good trotter last year named The Fast Lane, he too won alot of races in a row, maybe 10 or 12 before he finally lost. He came back this year and has had an okay year, but he's been facing much tougher competition, so the wins have been tougher to come by.
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What about when Tony shows up at the barn and they close all the doors, even in the summer? Seems a little odd doesn't it?
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Just curious, how do you know these things?
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Seen it...now what actually goes on inside is pure speculation. Definitely gives the appearance of shady doings! tmbz1
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Just curious, how do you know these things?
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Wait.....I thought for sure GH2009 knew everything....... ..
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Well, you thought wrong, serves you right for thinking! Unlike alot of people on here, I'm not infatuated with who's juicing even though I have my suspicions about certain trainers. If their horses race well on a consistent basis, is it because it's being juiced on a regular basis or because it's in good form? The thing I don't know is where everyone seems to be getting their first-hand information concerning trainers who are juicing and Tony Morgan's involvement. Who let the cat out of the bag? Is it fact or suspicion?
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Wake up EXPERT OF THE WORLD.....Tony Morgan is THE TRUNK DOCTOR.......OMG
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When you have some factual evidence in writing to back it up I'll believe you and give you full credit for being the genius you think you are, until then keep up the attacks, I love messing with a know it all like you!
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Look in the mirror
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stop with the "when you have factual evidence". You can't be this dense.
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Amen
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All I want to see is some proof, but nobody ever comes up with it. You may very well be right but I'm not going to take yours or anyone else's word for it without something to back it up. If you think I'm dense, then so be it. Frankly, I could care less who's juicing their horses and who's supplying it.
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And I hate hearing all the BS about how the race office needs "these barns" to fill races. Short-sighted BS.
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i knew tim when he was at northfield years ago. he could win a fixed race. he found something along the way.
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Who or what are you talking about???
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i knew tim when he was at northfield years ago. he could win a fixed race. he found something along the way.
Yes, its name is Tony Morgan. Let's face it Tim couldn't train a fish to swim before Tony came aboard. Mainly because Tony owns a few that race in his name. My question is what's going on with Chuck Crissman. Wow talk about doing a reverse flip. Most are completely dead when they go behind the car.
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chuck is a great person to buy from.
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No one is taking this situation seriously......th e TRUNK DOCTOR might seem like the ROBIN HOOD but he is using all of these trainers to launder his dirty money
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No one is taking this situation seriously......th e TRUNK DOCTOR might seem like the ROBIN HOOD but he is using all of these trainers to launder his dirty money
I was told second hand from a Delaware horse men that talks to T. Crissman
That Timmy said there getting a yr per test. Also that TM ‘s mom was going to fall on the sword for TM. But we will know soon enough
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Finally....some one who has an ear to the ground......
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I was told second hand from a Delaware horse men that talks to T. Crissman
That Timmy said there getting a yr per test. Also that TM ‘s mom was going to fall on the sword for TM. But we will know soon enough
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66 years old and his mother is going to take the fall......for illegal vet work done by TM,laundering money,distribution of illegal drugs,tax fraud,tax evasion.....wow I would be so proud of myself........ple ase
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When and where please post where he has been charged with anything?
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Hasn't been implicated....che ck quote above last statement
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66 years old and his mother is going to take the fall......for illegal vet work done by TM,laundering money,distribution of illegal drugs,tax fraud,tax evasion.....wow I would be so proud of myself........ple ase
S.M. Is not 66 more days like 86 . She taking the fall on the racing commission side. The above is just bs , there’s no money laundering etc.
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Omg.....really... ....putting horses in other's names,not reporting revenue,hiding ill gotten revenue.....if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck....it's a duck
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You should write a book on ducks who quack!
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Genius......
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Not as smart as you with all your inside information. I'm surprised Tony Morgan and his mom aren't in Leavenworth with all the allegations you've accused them of.
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7 Fubinaca trainers
Anyword on Maryland's Hearings ?
Both States claiming Contamination of the 4 Horsemens Bleeder Powder??? If so They all are opening themselves for a Major Lawsuit from the the 4 Horsemen. Was at Chester last Sunday and as Gossip goes Delaware 6 months 5000.00 fine and return purse money , PREVIOUS Commissioner Was In a Hurry to Retire and turned a blind eye to positives and took some hush money as a Retirement gift , WAGNER'S Daughter has acquired all of his stock and the beat goes on . tmbz1
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Gh2009.....any condescending comeback......
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Omg.....really.......putting horses in other's names,not reporting revenue,hiding ill gotten revenue.....if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck....it's a duck
Your growing weeds just to pull them, there’s no way the purse money is going unreported, someone one is getting a 1099 for the purses money so in the eyes of the IRS there clear
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It's called sarcasm, because I could care less who's juicing and who's laundering money, but I do think including Tony Morgan's mom is a little over the top even for you, she must be at least 90 if she's still alive.
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First she SM is still alive, that’s who the vet is. I do believe TM s mom is still alive
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All I know there's going to be a lot of horse's changing owners and new trainers will also appear! LOL.
Get ready for the show!
Business as usual!
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And that’s what is slowly choking the life out of Harness racing. 2 Harness tracks have closed in the last 3 yrs. Good business model, get track get some form of alternative gambling at your track , then let horse people shoot them self’s to n the foot and lobby to close racing part
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Seems like they should get less than all the meth people in Ohio. Schillaci has 3 meth positives and looks like 60 days. Judges had to approve horse transfers and happened quickly as they are all in the box for their groom. So basically no suspension and business as usual.
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DELAWARE IS A JOKE YOU DOPE EM AND THEYLL SLAP YOUR HAND AND ITS BUSINESS AS USALL.....NOT ONLY DID THEY JUST SCREW THE BETTORS THEIR SMUG ARROGANCE WILL SURPASS AND CONTINUE TO DESTROY THIS INDUSTRY 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
A FUCKIN JOKE NO BALLZ COMISSION , BURKS PISSIN STALL AND GROOM GETS WORSE THEN THESE LYING CHEATING FUCKERS . AND WHATS WORSE THEY STILL THINK THEY ARE GOD AND YOU LIL TRAINER IS DOG SHIT ON THEIR FEET .
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Racing Commission will not do anything to jeopardies there over inflated salaries or risk a lawsuit.
Unless they have a slam dunk case against you, they will look the other way!
Any doubt and you get out! 73cv.2
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Wow, you're very angry, if you were not aware of State Commission's stupidity, you are now. Get used to it, been a way of life for decades.
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Your Right , YEA I gotta Problem when I bet and loose my ass because IT AINT IN THE PROGRAM WHOS JUICED UP . Owning 14 head I spend the Money for Purchasing and am Paying a Trainer to AMISH SOME cause Ya cant beat the Needle or jug . yes me and alotta of others who Invest in this Game On the hearings I am concerned as to why some got lessor of fines suspensions or even days , and I am told a Kid got 1 positive and was tortured . SOMEONE NEEDS TO STOP THE BLEEDING , I have learned Harness people can be great but there is a dark side like a Mafia. If you doped your horse man at least take your lickings and man up you cant expect to be sent sympathy flowers because of your actions, and spew hatred to your peers that you cheated . that's BAD CHARACTER.
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I agree, we need to know who's JUICED UP. There should be a note in the program for those that are JUICED UP!
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What was the verdict
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Who is the biggest crook on the list?
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WHERE DO YOU FIND THE RESULTS OF THE HEARING?
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Who is the biggest crook on the list?
Its Business as usual Laddie's , just dope em up and the DELAWARE COMMISSION Will slap your Hands and fine ya a lil old 5 grand 6 months suspension I was told the kid Lare got 1 yr and a 10 grand fine , their Commission Is a DISGRACE to not only us as bettors but to the other horsemen , Owners ect ..PETA SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED IMO this was a class 1 drug how is it fair for the other Schmucks that Arnt doping let alone to us bettors & Owners who invest in this Sport ? Not to mention the what if's of if a Horse drops Dead in a race YOU ARE PUTTING OTHER PEOPLES LIVES AT STAKE AS WELL HAS THE HORSE ,IMO THEIR COMMISSION IS THE WORST Wonder how much money exchanged hands ?? And no one can Blame TM he didn't bend their elbow injecting them. The talk yesterday at Meadowlands was he Did pay for their attorney , AND Horses have already been transferred in other peoples name ..SO WHERES THE JUSTICE FOR ANY OF US , Harrisburg coming up really makes me question do I piss my money away on MORE STOCK ??? I don't think so between the Election and the dope in a Sport I respected and after I retired couldn't wait to get into I shoulda went to Vegas and visited the Bunny Ranch .
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Forrest Bartlett keeps using Lare as his trainer! What is the deal with that? -----Primo Maschio remained perfect in his career by tallying on Monday at Harrington Delaware Standardbred Breeders Fund (DSBF) stakes action for 2-year-olds kicked off the week of racing at Harrington Raceway Monday, as a pair of $20,000 divisions for pacing colts and geldings were contested. Forrest Bartlett's Primo Maschio ($2.10, Trae Porter) improved to six-for-six lifetime with a 1:54 4/5 win for trainer Kevin Lare over Lew Not Lou and Won Last Call. The Badlands Hanover gelding never had an anxious moment in his front-end score.......and you wonder why?
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They actually purchased the horse from the Michael Hall stable after his first 2 wins. The horse is undefeated, and has never had an anxious moment, but the crop of 2 years olds in Delaware isn't very strong this year.
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He won the $110k final since that article also.
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I was at Harrington for the finals that night, it was another easy win, but the crop he's facing is very weak. Looking at him on the track, he doesn't appear to be very sound.
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Mike Hall Spends big bucks and classifies them in cheaper classes or claimers and steals money allllll day long. looking at todays program for Chester and Iv never Heard of some of these drivers some new skin hitting the tracks ? Anyone heard of the shit going down in Delaware ? 140,000 for these guys Attorney? and word is steaming like a hot roller as to the Commission and TM Connections with ole lady Keeler and the Board members PAYOFF ? if so they are the problem ! They have a new Governor Elect chomping at the bit to demolish Racing in Delaware . WITH THE CHEATS AND DRUGS DOWN THERE They can pat themselves on the back for destroying the Biz in Delaware . News Paper Worthy .
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And what does gh2009 have to say.......
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WHERE DO YOU FIND THE RESULTS OF THE HEARING?
You won't find any results. It's all tight lip within the commission.
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A cesspool of corruption.
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I don't ever gamble on the Delaware circuit, but if there is a big issue. I hope it gets resolved.
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I Think their Local Newspapers Should be made aware of the Corruption from their State Appointed Commission , I also think the State should Sopena Their own Financials as well as any Call logs and Any FOIAS If available . There has to be accountability for this as it states in DELAWARES BYLAWS Which is Public Knowledge ..A Class 1 is 18 months suspension 10,000 per positive. THEY HAVE ALLOWED THIS AS WELL AS ALLOWED Their fellow Horsemen's Lives to be Jeopardized on the Track . One of the Commissioners has her own Farm and Children Participate in Events , So tell me HOW SHE WOULD FEEL IF ONE OF THOSE HORSES WERE DOPED UP AND A CHILD HAD GOTTEN HURT ? Delaware Equestrian at the University of Delaware ...Would they have allowed such acts during Competition? THEY need to Investigate Keeler who seems to be the string Puller. The Commission has made a Mockery of the Delaware Horsemen Judges and Investigators as well as ANY Association Representing the Standardbred Industry. Mark Davis should also be charged for his coverup while counting his days of retirement . No one can Blame TM He supplied collected his cash and rolled on ..NO PAPER TRAIL and he sure has hell didn't inject He has Morse Horses of his own Racing the De Circuit then their Bigger Stables , and Hate if you want But if it is True that Maryland is the one who Obtained A substance to be tested THEN ALL THE HONEST ONES SHOULD APPLAUDE THEM Because of these findings PA DE AND MD Labs know what to test for . Also Virgil Addison 2 positives .... 10,000 fine x 2 and 1 yr. suspension x 2.The Arrogance shown from these Trainers in De. Is Disgusting , YOU DID THE CRIME YOU CHEATED YOUR FELLOW HORSEMEN YOU JEAPARDIZED THEIR LIVES ON THE TRACK AS NOT TO MENTION THE HORSE . NEWSPAPERS WILL BE MADE AWARE OF THE CORRUPTION , Its because of crooks this Business is DYING REAL FAST , Owners don't want to spend the money to Breed or Race against a needle or crooked Trainer . THE MONEY LAUNDERING WITH FALSE OWNERSHIP IN THIS STATE IS WORSE THEN Staten Islands NEW YORK MAFIA. Kudos to PA AND WE WILL WATCH AS THE FUNERAL SERVICE IS UNDERWAY FOR DE RACING...Way to go Commissioner's.
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So these hearings, resulting from either an investigation(s), reports, positive tests, something-----these hearings took place-----and the results are going to be unpublished, unpublicized, and private? Or they will be completely swept under the rug?
Did any suspensions result from this? If so, that will go unspoken as well? We'll just see some trainer not have entries for X number of days, or a week, and everyone will just figure out he/she has been suspended as a result of these hearings?
The above is the proof that any of this actually took place?
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Mike Hall Spends big bucks and classifies them in cheaper classes or claimers and steals money allllll day long. looking at todays program for Chester and Iv never Heard of some of these drivers some new skin hitting the tracks ? Anyone heard of the shit going down in Delaware ? 140,000 for these guys Attorney? and word is steaming like a hot roller as to the Commission and TM Connections with ole lady Keeler and the Board members PAYOFF ? if so they are the problem ! They have a new Governor Elect chomping at the bit to demolish Racing in Delaware . WITH THE CHEATS AND DRUGS DOWN THERE They can pat themselves on the back for destroying the Biz in Delaware . News Paper Worthy .
Mikeys not doing too bad. His home is listed at $4.7 million on Zillow! Fact!
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Mikeys not doing too bad. His home is listed at $4.7 million on Zillow! Fact!
While that would in fact surprise me, did he or his wife (starting from the respective family) make a lot of money from real estate ventures?
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Also, I must have missed it but when did the Davis crew become millionaires? Claiming like they're printing money for a few years now and must of came into something huge! Just curious
tmbz1
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It's actually Brendan Allan Davis making those claims for his "Money Talks" stable, but that horse is way overpriced for $45,000. JT Stable is Tyler Davis, who seems to have disappeared recently.
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The Davis Family members are souvants in harvesting Huge JACKPOTS from the slot machines......got ta reinvest somewhere
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Funny how Alan not down as owner any longer.
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The owners seem to only be Brendan and Tyler under their stable name, which could be a beard.
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The Davis Family members are souvants in harvesting Huge JACKPOTS from the slot machines......got ta reinvest somewhere
Thats a lot of nickel slots!
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They all live in relatively new houses within a few blocks of each other.
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Thats a lot of nickel slots!
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Souvant, nicket slots. That's funny. ngc3