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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Cleanupindustry on June 28, 2024, 10:11:20 AM
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I like to watch races when I see people get fined. Go to Harrah’s Philadelphia replays and watch race. This small time driver-trainer got 5,000 fine for lack of effort he’s driving a trotter out of 8 hole trying to hold him so he don’t jump gets nipped at wire He did nothing wrong to get this steep fine. Whomever the judges are who gave fine should be fined like a bad baseball umpire calling balls and strikes. Where’s the fines on top drivers stiffing horses 5,000 rediculous. Fight it Ray baynes. You did nothing wrong. Fire all the judges who imposed this fine !
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Watched the replay, Baynes was water skiing. Hes been stiffing that horse for 3 months, Couldve given him more.
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I met Ray Baynes in 1978. He came to the USA to sell his uncles mare, Lara's Smile. I think it might be Ray's last profitable year. Very nice man but little talent as a driver. Ray is not the problem in harness racing. Then again, you can't stiff and think it is ok. I don't know if he was stiffing or steading this trotter. He is a 5 year old and 0 for 19 lifetime.
Ray's barn has 67 starts this year and zero wins, 15 seconds and 10 thirds.
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Karma?
Mr. Baynes took exception to the judges ruling against him when he lodged a claim of foul against my horse in a race at Freehold around 1995 alleging interference. Inquiry. Ruled no violation. Race was made official and we were declared the winner.
Fucker filed suit and held up our purse money for months. The court decided against him and we finally got paid. Talk about a sore loser! ;D
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Hard to hold on with only 3 fingers
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whats the difference if he stiffs or if he drives?
the result is the same
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the guy is awful but it def looked like a stiff job the way he was looking around for a horse to pass him near the wire
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Baynes is lucky ex-fellow Freehold Driver Jimmy Marshall is now the Presiding Judge there. 6 months and just $5k after that was getting off easy. He will appeal. it will be 1-2 years before they get to a point where they reduce it and Baynes accepts it.
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I like to watch races when I see people get fined. Go to Harrah’s Philadelphia replays and watch race. This small time driver-trainer got 5,000 fine for lack of effort he’s driving a trotter out of 8 hole trying to hold him so he don’t jump gets nipped at wire He did nothing wrong to get this steep fine. Whomever the judges are who gave fine should be fined like a bad baseball umpire calling balls and strikes. Where’s the fines on top drivers stiffing horses 5,000 rediculous. Fight it Ray baynes. You did nothing wrong. Fire all the judges who imposed this fine !
I agree with Cleanupindustry. If he really wanted to "stiff" the horse he would not have gone for position out of the gate and then moved him coming around the last turn; a trainer doesn't have to "stiff" his own horse in a drive. He can just lighten up on the training during the week leading up to the race etc. OR he could have just kept him in 3rd or passed the dying second horse and not put him under a drive, only to try and shut him down. He is "old" for a driver and I agree that he was trying to hold this cheapo together and not stiffing him. However, if you had $2 on him, he stiffed the horse ;>>)
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Baynes is lucky ex-fellow Freehold Driver Jimmy Marshall is now the Presiding Judge there. 6 months and just $5k after that was getting off easy. He will appeal. it will be 1-2 years before they get to a point where they reduce it and Baynes accepts it.
I don't know . The cost of an appeal is not very appealing. Ray has been doing his own thing for 50 years. Maybe he just might take another approach.
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Rays drive is the least of their problems.
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Not sure if he stiffed the horse or just sucks. Didn't look like he gave much effort to urge the horse on to win.
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This horse has 19 starts and finished 2nd or 3rd in 17 starts.
Think the stewards said enough is enough…. Makes sense to me
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This horse has 19 starts and finished 2nd or 3rd in 17 starts.
Think the stewards said enough is enough…. Makes sense to me
That’s definitely rubbing it in their faces. Get rid of him and a bunch of others!
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Judges are quick to make an example of a guy who drives less than 100 times a year but when Andrew McCarthy is blatantly stiffing prohibitive faves nothin to see here.
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Completely Agree!
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Looks to me that did absolutely nothing wrong.
Compare this to kubi erzines freehold stiff job and you will agree that ray did nothing wrong but drive this one well Norton get beat a nose. The horse had nothing left at the wire.
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They both stiffed those horses. Ray made absolutely no effort to win that race the last 50 yens.
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Baynes been doing this for years I’m told . All the way back to the Manzi and Filion days . This Kubi character has absolutely no business in the horse game . A complete Animule !!
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Baynes definitely was NOT trying to win that race. BUT take a look at the money man Scotty Z's try tonight at Pocono at 2-1 in race 8.
2-1 and zero effort. yes I bet him and yes I expect an effort, thanks for nothing Scotty boy.
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Zeron gives a go 50% of the time . Don’t know if it’s him or the trainers not on go ?
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ray baines is the only guy they could catch with no try?
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Joke right Piggy ?
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They pick Ray Baynes as the new poster boy for their war on cheating. WTF!!!! I don't know anyone who has'n't sat on one to keep it classified. I never cared about winning a 2 yr old's 1 st starts till. I learned it was better to educate them, than winning. Ban me for life, I admit it.
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Joke right Piggy ?
yes ,its a joke .
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They pick Ray Baynes as the new poster boy for their war on cheating. WTF!!!! I don't know anyone who has'n't sat on one to keep it classified. I never cared about winning a 2 yr old's 1 st starts till. I learned it was better to educate them, than winning. Ban me for life, I admit it.
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That's why actual handicappers and smart bettors only bet on claimers and upper stakes races. Condition races should never be bet cause everyone in that class knows what they can make to drop down or stay in that class...for real who would bet this when earnings would have to be calculated for each local track too since most trainers know them can fit a lower class somewhere else next week if their 3rd or worse tonight.
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ray baines is the only guy they could catch with no try?
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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This horse has 19 starts and finished 2nd or 3rd in 17 starts.
Think the stewards said enough is enough…. Makes sense to me
Right on the 👃
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even the announcer was laughing at the wire as he knew exactly what was taking place
but if the rules allow it so be it
fix the rules for lower maidens and conditions
skew the purse money to the top 3 only
make the purses bigger so owners can get money back asap
put conditions on how many starts you get in a class
make more condition claimers so when horses dont fit the conditions they are forced to get tagged
not that hared really
perhaps then real gamblers would bet some of these races which they now completely avoid and for good reason
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He was 100% guilty!!!!!!!
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I’m not a great handicapper, but can cash a ticket now and then. Give me a horse/trainer/driver who is second or third 17 out of 19 and you better believe I can figure a way to make money in the exactas and trifectas. Geez, don’t even have to waste money playing him on top. Would much rather have someone that shows me by their consistency that they want to be on the board than someone who will win in 52 one week and is nowhere to be found in 54 off the same half the next week. Yes I understand the horsemen want him to move through the condition but if he’s giving me free money through the window, what’s a guy to do ;D
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Was off his drives today. Wonder why?
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He was 100% guilty!!!!!!!
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he obviously didnt want to win and gave no effort
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He was shaking the lines and trying to keep him together I seen hundred worst drives then that and no call.
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Nap could've won in 53 and change with that thing today. Your post about him shaking the lines was a joke correct? Watch the replay in
slow motion, he was tight lined and the whip was tucked away. He's lucky that's all he got. He screwed the public
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Ray was lucky former driver Jim Marshall is the judge at Chester now. Not only did they both drive together for years, but Jimmy got a big heart and cut Ray some slack. He also knows Ray's history of this.
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Bad cal, the man lost by a whisker. He isn't good enough to measure that close.
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What a difference a driver makes.
RACE 6 - Harrah`s Philadelphia - PA - July 4, 2024
Conditions: 5 Year Olds & Under NW 1 Ext. PM Races or $10,000 Lifetime PA Preferred
Gait: TrotPurse: 10,500Class: nw1PMDistance: 1 mileTrack Cond: FTTemp-Allow: 86-0Off Time: 2:30 PM
HN Horse PP 1/4 1/2 3/4 Str Finish Actual LQ Odds Driver Trainer
4 Brickyard Rally 4 1/1H 1/1H 1/2 1/2 1/3Q 1:55.1 28.4 *0.90 Geo. Napolitano Jr Ray Baynes
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He was shaking the lines and trying to keep him together I seen hundred worst drives then that and no call.
He never once shook the lines
not sure what race you were watching
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Ray was lucky former driver Jim Marshall is the judge at Chester now. Not only did they both drive together for years, but Jimmy got a big heart and cut Ray some slack. He also knows Ray's history of this.
100% correct, plus he has half a hand from the snowblower incident.
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he clearly held,
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The judges actually did Baynes a favor with the suspension. The $5,000 fine will quickly be paid for with all the money his horses make during his time on the sidelines. Ahle just won at Chester with Sandradimples at 33/1 and takes two seconds off his lifetime mark.
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The money never hurts. But, ray has known for 40 years he was not a competitive driver. If he wanted to maximize his earnings, he would have used catch drivers years ago.
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The money never hurts. But, ray has known for 40 years he was not a competitive driver. If he wanted to maximize his earnings, he would have used catch drivers years ago.
I remember in the early 90's at Yonkers he drove one of those Brickyard horses every week and he always looked loaded with pace and I swear the other drivers in the race used to fuck with him on purpose.
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The judges actually did Baynes a favor with the suspension. The $5,000 fine will quickly be paid for with all the money his horses make during his time on the sidelines. Ahle just won at Chester with Sandradimples at 33/1 and takes two seconds off his lifetime mark.
Will his horses appreciate in value or depreciate in value now you have real drivers showing their talent if ownership decides to sell any of them??
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Will his horses appreciate in value or depreciate in value now you have real drivers showing their talent if ownership decides to sell any of them??
Baynes owns most if not all of his horses. So, rarely would you see any of his horses change hands. I understand and appreciate he isn't looking to maximize his bottom line in the business, and that he must really enjoy driving his own horses and making a living his way. It was great to see today he had a smile from ear to ear walking his horse back to the paddock.
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Baynes owns most if not all of his horses. So, rarely would you see any of his horses change hands. I understand and appreciate he isn't looking to maximize his bottom line in the business, and that he must really enjoy driving his own horses and making a living his way. It was great to see today he had a smile from ear to ear walking his horse back to the paddock.
He loses money racing
he is just having fun with his other business wealth
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He loses money racing
he is just having fun with his other business wealth
I know he owns a farm, maybe sell hay......What other business wealth does he have?
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He owned a brickyard--for real
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good for him, doing what he likes
might be best for everyone if he avoids driving
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I find it peculiar that a guy with his wealth would cheat to keep stuffing a horse in NW1.
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The judges actually did Baynes a favor with the suspension. The $5,000 fine will quickly be paid for with all the money his horses make during his time on the sidelines. Ahle just won at Chester with Sandradimples at 33/1 and takes two seconds off his lifetime mark.
Did Ray supplement his income by going to the windows at 33/1??
Inquiring minds want to know!!
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That's why actual handicappers and smart bettors only bet on claimers and upper stakes races. Condition races should never be bet cause everyone in that class knows what they can make to drop down or stay in that class...for real who would bet this when earnings would have to be calculated for each local track too since most trainers know them can fit a lower class somewhere else next week if their 3rd or worse tonight.
You are correct. Most condition horses race for checks. happy owners, stay in class, and keep the horse.