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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Fuguzzi on September 17, 2023, 04:43:01 PM
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Leaves enough to secure good position, pulls off the rated second quarter and just grinds them into submission. Blazing last quarter, tippy taps then Timmy grabbing up and those earplugs remain in. Such a treat to see him race.
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Leaves enough to secure good position, pulls off the rated second quarter and just grinds them into submission. Blazing last quarter, tippy taps then Timmy grabbing up and those earplugs remain in. Such a treat to see him race.
Agree, but what didnt happen........... . many said Command would set a super-fast pace to set up his stable mate.
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Agree, but what didnt happen........... . many said Command would set a super-fast pace to set up his stable mate.
tmbz1 many on here need to cinch a girth or 2, also.
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Agree, but what didnt happen........... . many said Command would set a super-fast pace to set up his stable mate.
No reason to go for another record. Today was not the right conditions for it anyway. Too cool and low humidity
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The monster Mile of the day was Twin Bee Joe. Absolutely in the grips never stretched out first over into a 48 flat winner!
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The monster Mile of the day was Twin Bee Joe. Absolutely in the grips never stretched out first over into a 48 flat winner!
Yes, Twin B, was very impressive, probably packing 25.1 for his last quarter. Other observations:
Geocentric-Early favorite (till Breeders' Crown) for 2024 Meadowlands Pace
Karl-Went a "training mile".. not sure what his bottom looks like, but again, we will find that out in the Breeders' Crown
Ari Ferrari-seems to be getting better each time I see him.
Confederate-Fuguzzi is 100% correct that this horse deserves to be considered in the "inner circle" of top 3 year-olds (even without a half-mile dance). As was pointed out by a previous poster, today was not the day for a "time trial" given the weather, but he was still enormously impressive and, although I have not seen his personal chart, he probably went a 52.2 or 52.3 last half off a relatively soft pace, and was completely in hand, with plugs in coming home. Made it look easy.
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I'm not sure a two year old filly has ever been pointed towards the Meadowlands Pace.
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I'm not sure a two year old filly has ever been pointed towards the Meadowlands Pace.
Not sure what other fillies have entered in the past, but, so far this year, fillies have 5 of the top 10 fastest pacing lines and they are 1-2 with Pass Line and Geocentric at the top of the list. Those two, and Newsroom (horse) are the only sub-1:50 pacers and Geocentric has decent size to her (Pass Line is somewhat smaller.) Growth from 2 to 3 will decide if we see her going in the MP... could happen!
It happens much more frequently with filly trotters being able to compete on an even basis with the horses/geldings.. but not as much with pacers.
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Joe was a freak today --- he just looks like a Mack Truck in high gear and don't get in my way.
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Joe was a freak today --- he just looks like a Mack Truck in high gear and don't get in my way.
Chris Ryder has always been able to tune one up, so why not a Mack truck?
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Joe was a freak today --- he just looks like a Mack Truck in high gear and don't get in my way.
I believe Joe is a she not a he?
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I believe Joe is a she not a he?
Gender fluid....
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I believe Joe is a she not a he?
gotta watch those Pronouns, it is 2023 ngc3
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gotta watch those Pronouns, it is 2023 ngc3
Ain't that the truth. I made the mistake of saying "excuse me ma'am" in a store yesterday. They/them/it took it poorly. I thought I was going to have to leave in an ambalance.
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Ain't that the truth. I made the mistake of saying "excuse me ma'am" in a store yesterday. They/them/it took it poorly. I thought I was going to have to leave in an ambalance.
They / them needed a good punch in the mouth. After all, you wouldn't have been hitting a woman.
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They / them needed a good punch in the mouth. After all, you wouldn't have been hitting a woman.
Females in the Meadowlands Pace: the only three I recall off the top of my head were Courageous Lady, Hazel Hanover and Miss Easy (who won the consolation against the boys.)
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Miss Easy was the greatest pacing filly I ever saw. Lou Guida called her the best looking horse he ever bought. Sanibel Island my all time fave aged mare. This filly Twin B Joe Fresh looks very special. races like a colt.
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Miss Easy was the greatest pacing filly I ever saw. Lou Guida called her the best looking horse he ever bought. Sanibel Island my all time fave aged mare. This filly Twin B Joe Fresh looks very special. races like a colt.
Drop the Ball raced in the elims but I think broke
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Courageous lady ..lew.. Passing Glance. George...one of the best races I ever saw
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So far Confederate has done what he needs to do, If he wins out, HOY? He's not racing next year, he's controlled by AB. He'll have a great book of mares.
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What if Silva Hanover wins out , her only loss , looked like a winner til she run,
Or Brain Browns 2 yr pacing Filly, Geo. She’s undefeated and is dodging anyone or racing with stable mates
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Will be interesting, It may all come down to the breeders crown. 73cv.2
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Miss Easy was the greatest pacing filly I ever saw. Lou Guida called her the best looking horse he ever bought. Sanibel Island my all time fave aged mare. This filly Twin B Joe Fresh looks very special. races like a colt.
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i was a big fan of Sanibel Island
Steve Warrington handled her brilliantly and took the blame for her winning streak being snapped in the Mistletoe Shalee--she wasnt favored
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Miss Easy was the greatest pacing filly I ever saw. Lou Guida called her the best looking horse he ever bought. Sanibel Island my all time fave aged mare. This filly Twin B Joe Fresh looks very special. races like a colt.
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i was a big fan of Sanibel Island
Steve Warrington handled her brilliantly and took the blame for her winning streak being snapped in the Mistletoe Shalee--she wasnt favored
Sannabelle Island 1997 American national at Sportsman's Park - Sanabelle brushes to the lead and holds off what seems like 20 different horses at various points in the stretch - HER 19TH straight win. She was unsound, racky gaited, turned her head sharply to the right and she just gave you everything and kept on going. My God what a mare.
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23 wins in a row before she got beat. She was in a terrific traffic jam in the stretch with Stevie desperately looking for a lane that never materialized.
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would Confederate take on the ffas like Allywag, Tattoo Artist and Bythemissal in the TVG
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100% no chance, he would get shredded
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Why would he bother, nothing to gain lots to loose.
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Niatross did it and crushed them , Captain T gave it a shot!
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Niatross did it and crushed them , Captain T gave it a shot!
Which Niatross race are you referring to?
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Which Niatross race are you referring to?
Niatross won the American Pacing Classic (California) at 1 1/8 miles as a 3 year old vs. older horses. Other 3 year olds who won the Pacing Classic were Oil Burner, Albatross and True Duange. He set the record for the distance and the race no longer existed 2 years later. Many top pacing names won the Classic over the years such as: Rambling Willie, Adios Butler, Meadow Skipper, Overcall and Cardigan Bay to name a few.
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Niatross won the American Pacing Classic (California) at 1 1/8 miles as a 3 year old vs. older horses. Other 3 year olds who won the Pacing Classic were Oil Burner, Albatross and True Duange. He set the record for the distance and the race no longer existed 2 years later. Many top pacing names won the Classic over the years such as: Rambling Willie, Adios Butler, Meadow Skipper, Overcall and Cardigan Bay to name a few.
Now you are talking real race horses.
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I believe it was Niatross last career start as well.
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Niatross won the American Pacing Classic (California) at 1 1/8 miles as a 3 year old vs. older horses. Other 3 year olds who won the Pacing Classic were Oil Burner, Albatross and True Duange. He set the record for the distance and the race no longer existed 2 years later. Many top pacing names won the Classic over the years such as: Rambling Willie, Adios Butler, Meadow Skipper, Overcall and Cardigan Bay to name a few.
Always felt Oil Burner was a fantastic race horse. Under rated and under appreciated. Great info guys, tyvm
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I believe it was Niatross last career start as well.
Actually, his last career start was on December 27, 1980 at Pompano. Galbraith wanted him to get the record for fastest time on a 5/8 mile track. We was in with a decent field of older pacers (Wizard Almahurst etc.) but it was a nasty, cool, rainy night. While he DID break the track record by 2 seconds he did not get the World record. Pompano turned away over 5,000 people, and it was a lousy night weatherwise, but they had a crowd of about 20,000 to see the great horse finish his career.
Niatross was a "generational" horse as he broke the prior World Record, in his time trial, by THREE seconds (not 3/5 of a second, but THREE WHOLE seconds. Amazing.
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Actually, his last career start was on December 27, 1980 at Pompano. Galbraith wanted him to get the record for fastest time on a 5/8 mile track. We was in with a decent field of older pacers (Wizard Almahurst etc.) but it was a nasty, cool, rainy night. While he DID break the track record by 2 seconds he did not get the World record. Pompano turned away over 5,000 people, and it was a lousy night weatherwise, but they had a crowd of about 20,000 to see the great horse finish his career.
Niatross was a "generational" horse as he broke the prior World Record, in his time trial, by THREE seconds (not 3/5 of a second, but THREE WHOLE seconds. Amazing.
Steady Star's 1.52.2?
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1971, Steady Star 1:52 flat, free legged. 28.2/54.3/1:26.1 1:52 Remember it's 1971!
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Confederate is a very good horse and a top three year old pacer this year. His track record does not put him with the great horses. Its My Show has now won two million dollar races, has raced and won on a half and has raced and won heats. Meanwhile Confederate was racing against nobody and has a mark because he had a stablemate set it up for him.
Only part I dont get is saying he race against nobody. Since his forgivable defeat in the NA Cup, he hasn't lost as we all know and has faced every other top 3 year old other than IMS. As for his "avoiding" the half mile that's on Bowden and it doesn't sit well with me. I am old school when the top 3 year old arced 20 plus times, everywhere, against everybody.
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Is he the only 3 year old pacer or any age horse to see the bottom of 1:46 neighborhood with the earplugs still in? Be interesting to find out.
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You are talking last race for each horse. Confederate had defeated Cannibal, Christchurch, Ken Hanover, Seven Colors, Redwood Hanove, Voukefelais, El Rey, Hungry Angel Boy, Fulton, Ammo, Save America, etc...who else did he miss that matters or mattered?
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We all know how Confederate had help achieving his mark. Let's move past that. In a few years bidders will be stepping over each other to gobble up his babies at the sales not giving a whit about how he achieved his mark and they will be lining mares to get in foal by him.
I know instinctively, that Confederate for at least the last half mile would pace with anything that has ever lived. His last halves, quarters and 1/8ths and electric gear shift are a testament to that. He is a special racehorse and I will miss not seeing him race anymore. But the whole business has changed, in many ways for the worse and I have to accept that, LOL
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Great topic
exactly why it is critical to have 3 heats and not 2
while everyone hates 1/2 mile racing , one thing for sure, you dont get that kind of race on a bigger track
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All you are talking about is times. The object is to win races and to say you are the best requires beating the best repeatedly. Right now, Its My Show has much more of a claim to being the top three year old pacer. Diamond Creek is managing Confederate not to lose. His mark is tarnished because it was set up in a race with a weak field.
This is not about what Confederate might do or about back half times, it is about doing it in races against the best possible competition. He has not done that. Prove it!
They have to manage Confederate to a point, in so far as his potential sire value - tens of millions of dollars. The IMS connections don't have that secondary concern because Linda cut him when "he disappointed her at 2" Her words, not mine.
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Yeah, the 53.3 half and Dexter jumping the gun with Seven Colors didn't set up and help IMS just get up in the Jug final. OK, Got it Linda and IMS are great and Brett and Confederate suck. I wanna see IMS , the gelding hold off, Confederate the stallion, when he kicks it into overdrive, if they ever look each other square in the eye last 1/8th. Not gonna happen. The NA Cup was NOT an example of that. These two have never truly duked it out. Hope we get to see that.
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And i still believe purely from watching him race that there is something up front on IMS which causes him to wince from occasional pain. I have seen it twice, Jug Elim and the race in Pa. where he drifted and din't fire. probably minor and he "guts it over", but it is there. May rear its head again, may not. Confederate has been 100% sound all year and has never taken a bad step on the track even once.
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There are races at The Red Mile, Hoosier, & the Meadowlands. Hopefully the big two will clash in many of them. I hope for good/exciting races. It's Confederate's division to lose in my opinion. Its My Show could take it away with a Breeder's Crown & another stakes win.
When the game was successful the best race on all tracks. The slot money & rich Sire Stakes provide more opportunities. The thoroughbreds are the same. There are many different paths taken up to the Kentucky Derby.
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A voice of reason chimes in., TY tmbz1
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Yeah, the 53.3 half and Dexter jumping the gun with Seven Colors didn't set up and help IMS just get up in the Jug final. OK, Got it Linda and IMS are great and Brett and Confederate suck. I wanna see IMS , the gelding hold off, Confederate the stallion, when he kicks it into overdrive, if they ever look each other square in the eye last 1/8th. Not gonna happen. The NA Cup was NOT an example of that. These two have never truly duked it out. Hope we get to see that.
Wasn’t and example, it was the perfect example, Confederate got the same trip in the NA cup that IMS got in both heats of the jug. Confederate didn’t get by IMS in cup but with a perfect cover trip following IMS. In the Jug IMS won both heats. So exactly what trip do you wan Confederate to get.
Linda said she asked Mr.Young to geld ImS because she stated I can’t be this wrong about him. Pretty good decision.
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Wasn’t and example, it was the perfect example, Confederate got the same trip in the NA cup that IMS got in both heats of the jug. Confederate didn’t get by IMS in cup but with a perfect cover trip following IMS. In the Jug IMS won both heats. So exactly what trip do you wan Confederate to get.
Linda said she asked Mr.Young to geld ImS because she stated I can’t be this wrong about him. Pretty good decision.
[/quote IMS did not win both heats of the The Jug. He lost his elimination to Ken Hanover. In the Cup Confederate is nowhere near IMS who is on the lead most of the race while Confederate is 3rd over in a dead flow. Am I reading your post wrong or are you drunk?
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Stupid of me I meant to say he (IMS) lost to Cannibal in his elimination Was flustered when you said "IMS won both his heats in the Jug"
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Stupid of me I meant to say he (IMS) lost to Cannibal in his elimination Was flustered when you said "IMS won both his heats in the Jug"
My over sight, that IMS didn’t win the first heat after that big 2nd 1/4.
My point to your point is Confederate had his opportunity to beat IMS with a perfect drafting trip and could not get by the tucked up off upfront gelding.
And I will say this , when the opportunity happens again the off up front gelding will prevail
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Wasn’t and example, it was the perfect example, Confederate got the same trip in the NA cup that IMS got in both heats of the jug. Confederate didn’t get by IMS in cup but with a perfect cover trip following IMS. In the Jug IMS won both heats. So exactly what trip do you wan Confederate to get.
Linda said she asked Mr.Young to geld ImS because she stated I can’t be this wrong about him. Pretty good decision.
Retarded take on the NA Cup. Timmy waited behind dead cover too long and didn’t get out in time. Confederate ran out of race track, it’s my show didn’t hold him off.
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I don’t care who got what trip in what race all I know is the fastest pacing horse ever dodged a million dollar race (and a horse that beat him) in a short field for $400,000.
So… if things stand as they do now, his get will not be eligible to race in the Meadowlands pace but would be eligible to race in the race he dodged… strange world.
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Lbj has no bearing on horse worth
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Retarded take on the NA Cup. Timmy waited behind dead cover too long and didn’t get out in time. Confederate ran out of race track, it’s my show didn’t hold him off.
Dead cover ass jack, he had the whole stretch to get by IMS and he did not. If he’s as billed he would have beat IMS. Confederate was 3 off turning for home
That’s plenty of real state to win.
Here’s another numb nuts. He got beat same way as a 2 yr older n the BC. When he has to chase down horses without stable mates yielding his 0 for 2.
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Retarded take on the NA Cup. Timmy waited behind dead cover too long and didn’t get out in time. Confederate ran out of race track, it’s my show didn’t hold him off.
This is absolutely the best take on what happened. Two steps past the wire and Confederate was ahead. Timmy waited one second too long to move him and more importantly the horse thought he won as he did pass IMS. He doesn't know the finish line was a couple feet earlier.
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Timmy admitted he fucked up and a reliable source with ancellary ties to the Pelling stable told me that he told Bowden after the Cup "I wont get beat again with this horse this year" or something to that effect. Also, if you look carefully just as the two cruise under the wire , A camera angle almost from in front of Timmy clearly shows him rattle shake his head in defeat disgustedly and he mouths something clearly. Probably "Fuck" or "shit"
That was one of the best, dead game airborne rallies in defeat I have ever seen.
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Yeah mouthed the same words when he got beat as 2 yr in the BC. Waited to long so so forth. Timmy will mouth those words again
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Lbj has no bearing on horse worth
Putting $500,000 on confederates card sure as hell does. Not so much for the gelding.
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Someone said something about Confederate being 3 lengths back top of the stretch and having all that stretch to work with. That is a lie. You can watch the replay. over and over and clearly see he is still 5-6 lengths back at 3/4s I have screenshots i can share at the yellow and white pole he is still a solid 4 lengths off. 3 lengths at the 1/16 and boom the lead evaporates. Last quarter for Confederate was 26 flat if I am not mistaken. Official chart would hold the answer but i can not find it can someone please TY
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Official chart shows him3 off at the top of the stretch. Standard breed Canada , trackit great services.
ITS MY SHOW 2 2/1H 1/1H 1/1Q 1/1Q 1/HD 1:47.4 27 ZERON,SCOTT R 3.25 TOSCANO,LINDA J
5 CONFEDERATE L 5 6/8T 6°/8 7°/5 4/3 2/HD 1:47.4 26 TETRICK,TIM A *1.40 PELLING,BRETT G
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Tell me you agree with that watching the replay I got the 3/4s lengths back and last quarter correct. 26 seconds I take issue with that top of stretch assesment ty for finding it.