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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: silent one on February 11, 2022, 12:32:31 PM
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BURKE, RONALD J CANONSBURG, PA YOB 1969
M on 9/11/2021 FINED: $500
FULL - 15 DAYS, 2/28/2022 THRU 3/14/2022
HORSE DISQUALIFIED, PURSE
REDISTRIBUTION
POSITIVE TEST- POST RACE
Ron Burke was the programmed trainer of the horse DE LOS CIELOS DEO when he raced
in the 2nd race at the the Meadowlands Racetrack on September 11, 2021. Following this
race DE LOS CIELOS DEO, was required to submit a post-race blood sample for analysis.
A report from Industrial Laboratories, identified the presence of Hydroxylidocaine. At Mr.
Burkes` request, a split sample was analyzed at an approved laboratory and did confirm the
presence of Hydroxyliodcaine. A hearing was conducted on January 20, 2022 and the
Board of Judges have determined that Ron Burke is in violation of various rules and
regulations of the New Jersey Racing Commission and as a result, Mr. Burke is hereby
issued a full suspension of his New Jersey Racing Commission license for a period of
fifteen (15) days, and is also fined the sum of five hundred ($500.00) dollars. Said
suspension shall begin on February 28, 2022 and run through March 14, 2022 inclusive.
Positive announced on 2/11. He gets to keep racing until the 28th? The Bastion of Integrity, Jeff Gural, is doing a fantastic job, isn't he?
Sincerely, Silent One
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“Judges have determined Mr. Burke is in violation of various rules and regulations of the New Jersey Racing Commission “. Sounds like maybe a package deal ??
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Seems like "pain killers" run pretty rampant for Mr Burke. Oxycotin, glaucine and now 3 lidocaine hot tests at Gooooffffrrrraaal llll Downs
Its not hay and oats Jeffffiiieeeeeeee 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp 11.wp
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Like everything the ARCI does (which regulates the allowable medication/withdrawal times) has got this one wrong as usual. Vet's block horses all the time with lidocaine for lameness detection. Trainers' responsibility is to bring a sound horse ready to race to the track. To that end, some horse skin products contain lidocaine as part of the treatment for skin conditions. For all we know one of the grooms is using Aspercreme for arthritis and touched the horse. Burke is smarter than to use lidocaine to race his horses. Obviously, the withdrawal time is not correct seeing that they took the study from European Horseracing Scientific Liaison Committee instead of paying to do it themselves. What a joke.
ARCI ruling: Lidocaine 20 picograms per milliliter of total 30H- lidocaine in plasma or serum 72 hours 200 milligrams of lidocaine as its hydrochloride salt administered subcutaneously European Horseracing Scientific Liaison Committee data; Iowa State University study. Applies to total major hydroxylated metabolite (i.e., includes conjugates)
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He should of gotten 120 days....
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Like everything the ARCI does (which regulates the allowable medication/withdrawal times) has got this one wrong as usual. Vet's block horses all the time with lidocaine for lameness detection. Trainers' responsibility is to bring a sound horse ready to race to the track. To that end, some horse skin products contain lidocaine as part of the treatment for skin conditions. For all we know one of the grooms is using Aspercreme for arthritis and touched the horse. Burke is smarter than to use lidocaine to race his horses. Obviously, the withdrawal time is not correct seeing that they took the study from European Horseracing Scientific Liaison Committee instead of paying to do it themselves. What a joke.
ARCI ruling: Lidocaine 20 picograms per milliliter of total 30H- lidocaine in plasma or serum 72 hours 200 milligrams of lidocaine as its hydrochloride salt administered subcutaneously European Horseracing Scientific Liaison Committee data; Iowa State University study. Applies to total major hydroxylated metabolite (i.e., includes conjugates)
Ive Been harping about this for years. These kinds of positives should NEVER result in a trainer getting days--fines YES.
Why?
Because 1) The general public are not educated about therapeutic medications-hear about them-and immediately think horses are "doped"
2) The real cheats-have designer drugs they use for pain or blood boosting---these need to be rooted out and remain on the front pages.They are the drugs-that define the word "doping" as they are designed to make the horse run faster than he is capable of without them.
3) Lidocaine,Bute,Banamine,dex,robaxin etc-are everyday THERAPEUTIC medication-which at low levels do NOT and never will--make a horse go faster than he is capable of at the time of the race.
BS positives like this ruin a trainers reputation-and the integrity of racing.
Do away with suspensions for therapeutics at low levels not capable of effecting performance
Go after the PED's--perhaps only the FBI is capable of implementing this--racing Labs--are not doing it--so they go after 'soft" targets like therapeutics--to give rthe illusion they are actually "cleaning up" racing--when in actual fact--they do the reverse.
They encourage cheats to use PED's because if you are going to be suspended for using therapeutics--why not use more powerful undetectable PED's???
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Ive Been harping about this for years. These kinds of positives should NEVER result in a trainer getting days--fines YES.
Why?
Because 1) The general public are not educated
2) The real cheats-
3) Lidocaine,Bute,Banamine,dex,robaxin etc-are everyday THERAPEUTIC medication-which at low levels do NOT and never will--make a horse go faster than he is capable of at the time of the race.
BS positives like this ruin a trainers reputation-and the integrity of racing.
Please F*** Yourself.
Stacking non-PEDs is wrong, illegal and kills horses. Look at Baffert.
Not only should trainers get suspended, owners should as well. The horses involved as well.
You earn your living on a welfare basis and NEVER, NOT ONCE have you commented on the need to protect the gambling product.
Your "just a little pregnant" rhetoric is just too pathetic. Even for you.
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Ive Been harping about this for years. These kinds of positives should NEVER result in a trainer getting days--fines YES.
Why?
Because 1) The general public are not educated about therapeutic medications-hear about them-and immediately think horses are "doped"
2) The real cheats-have designer drugs they use for pain or blood boosting---these need to be rooted out and remain on the front pages.They are the drugs-that define the word "doping" as they are designed to make the horse run faster than he is capable of without them.
3) Lidocaine,Bute,Banamine,dex,robaxin etc-are everyday THERAPEUTIC medication-which at low levels do NOT and never will--make a horse go faster than he is capable of at the time of the race.
BS positives like this ruin a trainers reputation-and the integrity of racing.
Do away with suspensions for therapeutics at low levels not capable of effecting performance
Go after the PED's--perhaps only the FBI is capable of implementing this--racing Labs--are not doing it--so they go after 'soft" targets like therapeutics--to give rthe illusion they are actually "cleaning up" racing--when in actual fact--they do the reverse.
They encourage cheats to use PED's because if you are going to be suspended for using therapeutics--why not use more powerful undetectable PED's???
For years, the horse in question has had wildly erratic form. If you don't like the current rules, please leave the game and do something else. Cheating, even if you believe the rules are wrong, hurts everyone.
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Lol, another reference did I see to a groom may be using something. How many times do we need to go down that path? Since we don't know the overage, I doubt anyone should refer to that lame excuse? The point in which someone made is trainers' responsibility to bring the horse back in NOT a lame position to race. More days should be given if you want to enter and race lame horse. Will agree with Calhoun on the T-bred side where this type of behavior usually ends to more drastic fate to the horse.
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curious who the replacement trainer will be by state
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There will be none,,the whole barn will get 15 days off ,,,for RAndR,,,with no training bills for the horses
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Please F*** Yourself.
Stacking non-PEDs is wrong, illegal and kills horses. Look at Baffert.
Not only should trainers get suspended, owners should as well. The horses involved as well.
You earn your living on a welfare basis and NEVER, NOT ONCE have you commented on the need to protect the gambling product.
Your "just a little pregnant" rhetoric is just too pathetic. Even for you.
Last time I checked this is a forum-where people express opinions.
Now you are entitled to your opinion here in USA-and I am also.
You dont like it fair enough-debate me and tell me where Im wrong-if I am-Ill apologize and move on.
Not you however Calhoon-you go straight to the vitreous troll shit.
So in response you can go f-yourself also-because you are a dumb, no nothing, egotistical imbecile .
Heres something new for you--you try and learn something before mouthing off.
FACTS---1) Burke did not get a stacking penalty-and penalties for stacking are already in place.No one in their right mind would use stacking these days-knowing how easily they can be caught and the severe penalties.
Baffert-Medina Spirit-died NOT from stacking but from a Heart Attack--which happens to 8-900 horses a year on USA tracks. Any die from stacking you Moron?? They die for all sorts of reasons--bad track, heart conditions,bleeding,leg breaks etc etc-never heard of one dying from stacking--please send me proof and Ill apologize for being so wrong.
2) I dont make my money from racing-I happen to own a few and love horses/racing--if it all goes away tomorrow-I wont like it-but Im fine.
3)I just happen to believe the current system-where tracks use ridiculous thresholds is flawed-and is ruining racing and integrity with it. Fix it--or do away with it altogether-like they do in other countries--nothing within 7 days--0--that is easy and leaves no excuses-no worries about thresholds-there are none.
4) FYI-"a little bit pregnant" does not exist--so theres that.
Haters going to hate--theres plenty on this site-so I dont give a shit about them--I have my opinion-and Im sticking with it. Not reading any sensible comments to fix things--just spew hatred--yeah thats really helpful.
PS---I love the FBI and what they are doing. Not so much racetracks and Labs.-Let me know what good they have done the last 40 years.
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Is Burke still fcking that otten chick
Did he pay for her new tits?
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Nice to see history repeating itself at the integrity laden Pig M.
8 De Los Cielos Deo 8 4°/3Q 1°/2 1/ 1/4 1/4 1:50.3 28.1 *1.40 Yannick Gingras Ron Burke
Sincerely, Silent One
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Nice to see history repeating itself at the integrity laden Pig M.
8 De Los Cielos Deo 8 4°/3Q 1°/2 1/ 1/4 1/4 1:50.3 28.1 *1.40 Yannick Gingras Ron Burke
Sincerely, Silent One
"Theraputic drugs don't make horses run faster than they can naturally"
Nothing to see here.
-Bob Baffert
-Bond
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Nice to see history repeating itself at the integrity laden Pig M.
8 De Los Cielos Deo 8 4°/3Q 1°/2 1/ 1/4 1/4 1:50.3 28.1 *1.40 Yannick Gingras Ron Burke
Sincerely, Silent One
Love this horse..now reeled off a few in a row...best form since his 2 YO days
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THE SYSTEM IS FLAWED. I HAVE WITNESSED MANY FLAWS IN THE SYSTEMS BY TRACKS/COMMISSIONS THAT PERMIT HORSES TO BE DROPPED OFF FOR LASIX AND THE TRAINER LEAVES THE HORSE WITHOUT A GROOM AND THE CARE AND CUSTODY PASSES TO THE TRACK AND /OR THE FOLKS ADMISTERING THE LASIX. THE SHIP IN BARN IS NOT A SAFE PLACE. MOST TRACKS HAVE HORSES NOW SHIPPING IN DAILY AS THEY DO NOT PROVIDE STABLING ANYMORE.
ONCE THE HORSE IS OUT OF THE CONTROL/CUSTODY OF THE LISTED TRAINER AND/OR THEIR EMPLOYEE THERE IS REASONAL DOUBT AND THAT A GOOD ATTORNEY WILL WIN THIS CASE EVERY TIME AND PLEASE RECALL EVERYTHING IS APPEALABLE THRU THE COURTS. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT EVEN IF YOU HAVE A GUILTY VERDICT IN THE COURT OF COMMON PLEAS THAT YOU CAN APPEAL TO THE SUPERIOR COURT AND MOST LIKELY WILL WIN THESE CASES AS THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY HAS BEEN BROKEN AND THERE CANNOT BE ANY PROOF OR GUARANTEE WHO ADMINSTERED ANY DRUG UNLESS THERE IS SURVELLIENCE OR WITNESSES.
EITHER WAY THIS IS A BAD SITUATION FOR ALL BUT TRUTHFULLY, IF THERE IS TO BE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD THERE MUST BE NO QUESTION REGARDING THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY AND CONTROL. MY IMMEDIATE QUESTION WOULD BE TO DETERMINE WHAT RESEARCH THE TRACK HAS DONE ON THE EMPLOY OF MOST TRACK EMPLOYEES AND TO INVESTIGATE THEIR BACKGROUNDS AND AGAIN, THE CONSTITUTION PROVIDES PROTECTION FOR THESE FOLKS. THIS IS AND HAS BEEN AN INTERESTING CHALLENGE.
I AM NOT SURE WHO THIS CAN BE SOLVED OTHER THAN ADDED EXPENSE AND TRACK EMPLOYEES THAT ARE LICENSED AND BONDED AND ALL STALLS IN PADDOCK VIDEO PROTECTED AND RECORDED. ADDED EXPENSE BUT THERE MUST BE EVIDENCE THAT THESE HORSES HAVE NOT BEEN VIOLATED BY OTHERS THAN THE OWNER, TRAINER OF GROOM.
TOUGH SCENE AND I TRULY AM AT WITS END HOW TO PROTECT THE SPORT SINCE IT IS SO LOOSELY MANAGED.
WE NEED SET OF SYSTEMS AND PROCEDURES THAT PROTECT THE OWNERS, DRIVERS, DRIVERS AND ESPECIALLY THE BETTING PUBLIC. IT WILL COST MONEY BUT IT WILL HELP THE INDUSTRY REGAIN TRUST. AS FOR TODAY THERE IS NOT TRUST BY THE PUBLIC AND THE BETTING HANDLE IS BEING HURT BY THIS.
HOPEFULLY, SOMEONE WILL STEP TO THE PLATE AND BE A LEADER IN THE INDUSTRY AND PROMOTE RACING IN AN HONORABLE WAY!!!! MORALS AND ETHICS STILL LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY---WE JUST NEED TO IMPLEMENT THE SYSTEM AND PROCEDURES TO PROTECT ALL PARTIES.
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The tracks are owned by casinos who down deep want racing to go away. It's an added expense that affects their bottom line. And Like all Public companies. they only care about their shareholders. There iS NO WAY THE TRACKS WILL SPEND A PENNY MORE ON SECURITY. This is a tough situation to be in
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When in college a long time ago I remember a professor saying “you can delegate authority but you cannot delegate responsibility”. Maybe that was just his interpretation .
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If your horse is in to race the law is he gets nothing if you want to play with the rule you should get the book thrown at you.
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ALL GREAT POINTS! THE LAW PROFESSOR IS CORRECT!! I AM NOT SURE HOW THE SMALL STABLE CAN AFFORD TO HAVE A GROOM WITH A HORSE WAITING THREE HOURS FOR LASIX WHEN THEY HAVE 5 MORE TO JOG!!!!! VERY TRICKY.
I AGREE THAT THE CASINOS WILL NOT SHOULDER ANY MORE EXPENSES AND THAT THEY WANT RACING GONE---FOREVER!!!
THIS WILL CONTINUE TO GET WEAKER AND WEAKER !!!! THIS HUGE MESS WITH SO MANY ON THE LIST WILL TRULY CREATE A MASSIVE ISSUE FOR RACING MOVING FORWARD!!!
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The list is meaningless some people on that list have been dead for years . Others on the list haven't trained horses for 20 years or more. Also Fishman was selling legal medication cheaper than veterinarians . Unless there is evidence to prove what each individual bought the list proves nothing
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The list is meaningless some people on that list have been dead for years . Others on the list haven't trained horses for 20 years or more. Also Fishman was selling legal medication cheaper than veterinarians . Unless there is evidence to prove what each individual bought the list proves nothing
NO FUCKING SHIT. THIS LIST PROVES HOW STUPID YOU ARE FUCKTARD...
YOU ALL ARE FUCKING CHEATS
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ALL GREAT POINTS! THE LAW PROFESSOR IS CORRECT!! I AM NOT SURE HOW THE SMALL STABLE CAN AFFORD TO HAVE A GROOM WITH A HORSE WAITING THREE HOURS FOR LASIX WHEN THEY HAVE 5 MORE TO JOG!!!!! VERY TRICKY.
I AGREE THAT THE CASINOS WILL NOT SHOULDER ANY MORE EXPENSES AND THAT THEY WANT RACING GONE---FOREVER!!!
THIS WILL CONTINUE TO GET WEAKER AND WEAKER !!!! THIS HUGE MESS WITH SO MANY ON THE LIST WILL TRULY CREATE A MASSIVE ISSUE FOR RACING MOVING FORWARD!!!
The only person concerned with this list is Gural & if doing the right thing would hurt Gural's bottom line he will turn the other cheek & sweep it under the table as he has done before. This list is NOT a huge mess & will NOT create a massive issue imo.
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WILL ALL THE SNITCHES BE ALLOWED BACK AT
IGM TIAGO AND VERNON
OR JUST CERTAIN PET FAVORITES OF THE KINGIM ASKIN CUS MY UNEMPLOYED PAL NEEDS WORK
PLS ADVISE WHOM EVER KNOWS
THKS
LUCPARK AND SANDALS tmbz1
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WILL ALL THE SNITCHES BE ALLOWED BACK AT
IGM TIAGO AND VERNON
OR JUST CERTAIN PET FAVORITES OF THE KINGIM ASKIN CUS MY UNEMPLOYED PAL NEEDS WORK
PLS ADVISE WHOM EVER KNOWS
THKS
LUCPARK AND SANDALS tmbz1
I don't think anyone at Vernon really knows how to read, so likely yes.
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NO FUCKING SHIT. THIS LIST PROVES HOW STUPID YOU ARE FUCKTARD...
More to the point what a a piece of shit you are, you obviously are the biggest loser on here. Lost what little money you had. What a miserable life you must have, go find something else to troll. Harness racing will still be around when yoo are dead and gone you POS
YOU ALL ARE FUCKING CHEATS
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Last time I checked this is a forum-where people express opinions.
Now you are entitled to your opinion here in USA-and I am also.
LoL . I apologize
That said ... Your opinion is for shit.
Thnaks