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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Equus Caballus on July 16, 2018, 09:51:11 PM
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6 Pace Non-Winners $7,500 last 5 starts, 8 Pari-Mutuel races or $90,000 life. AE: Winners of 100 races & 7,500,000 life Opt. Clm. Alw. $20,000 $9,500
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TRAVESTY!!!
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What track?
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What track?
saratoga saturday
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I wish this horse would just go away already. Take our word Mr Burke, hardly anyone wants to see this poor horse race anymore. The majority thinks it’s abusive. Stop
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Race Sec probably thinks its cute. What about the other trainers/owners in the race. Should get fired for that bullshit
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I personally don't see anything wrong with this...so they are being a bit cute to get the horse there on their biggest night of the year. FA will be a bigger story than anyone in the Gerrity, and with the horse actually getting a bit of national publicity now maybe some T-bred people will make their way over to check him out.
It's not like any race they write him into will automatically be a cakewalk at this point in his career.
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trying to bring in new and old fans
great idea!
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when rambling willlie barnstormed around the country at age 14 no one complained. they wanted to see him. on a lesser note a horse named last count who was a star at 2 at foxboro barnstormed in new england at age 14 in claimers and won 26 races that year and drew crowds no one complained. horses know they're near the end but want to race and if sound let them.
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6 Pace Non-Winners $7,500 last 5 starts, 8 Pari-Mutuel races or $90,000 life. AE: Winners of 100 races & 7,500,000 life Opt. Clm. Alw. $20,000 $9,500
YOU MUST BE JEALOUS THEY DONT WRITE RACES FOR MEL MARA.
CALL UP RONNIE AND MAKE HIM A DEAL, HE RETIRES FOILED AND YOU QUIT BEATING THE CRAP OUT OF MEL, TWO HORSES BECOME HAPPY
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YOU MUST BE JEALOUS THEY DONT WRITE RACES FOR MEL MARA.
CALL UP RONNIE AND MAKE HIM A DEAL, HE RETIRES FOILED AND YOU QUIT BEATING THE CRAP OUT OF MEL, TWO HORSES BECOME HAPPY
lol klassic
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A 20,000 claimer may beat him. Especially if he draws outside.
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I hear he is making his way to PEI for OHW. Where he is the special guest there that week. Dosent have to race just get his picture taking with the fans 100000 times.
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I wish this horse would just go away already. Take our word Mr Burke, hardly anyone wants to see this poor horse race anymore. The majority thinks it’s abusive. Stop
It is not in the least bit abusive. The horse is 14. He is half way through his life. Is it abusive for Tom Brady to be playing football?
Ron Burke said he planned a farewell tour for Foiled Again. I think it is fantastic as many fans as possible will get to see Foiled Again especially the ones who have not had that chance previously.
From what I read, Burke is planing Foiled Again's last race to be New Years Eve at The Meadows. Have fun yelling "abuse" for the rest of the year. Maybe you should give PETA a call.
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Nice to see a race secretary get creative for a change. Let the others scratch if they don't like the extra attention drawn to the race because of foiled again. Some are going to complain no matter what.
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Race secretary there is lost
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DONT LET THE JERSY HEEB SEE THIS. HE WILL ORDER HIS RACE SECRETARIES TO WRITE RACES…. AE, HORSES OWNED BY JEWISH TRACK OWNERS
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The problem is NOBODY truly cares about this "accomplishment". There would have been many more in attendance than the handful at Harrahs when he won his 100th. The place was a ghostown. This "farewell tour" plays out in front of nobody, from a trainer who has had major drug infractions swept under the carpet by a corrupt Pennsylvania establishment.
You are actually wrong. People cheer when he races and do come out to see him race. The people in attendance do appreciate seeing Foiled Again.
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Correct. Writing a condition specifically for him in an easier race shows me what a dick the race secretary is. Burke gets enough favors.
This is not about Burke, it is about the track being able to showcase a horse who has done thing unlike any before.
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I never stated to not let the horse race but he should race in the class that he actually belongs in and not some bullshit add on to a cheaper class. The horse made over 7 million. Why should Burke and his piece of shit owners get a break? If Saratoga wants him to race so badly then pay him an appearance fee.
disagree with this one Mike.
Foiled is a legend--I for one love to watch him race and go watch him-we may never see another one like him with his tenacity and longevity.
Hes 14-so what he gets a little break--its not for the owners they are doing it--its for the horse-why kill him in a v v tough class and horses half his age.
For him to go 52 last start is amazing.
They pay stars appearance money-in foiled's case they put him in a class that hes competitive in.
I wish Foiled nothing but the best and hope he ends up at the Kentucky horse Park so I can go see him every year i'm up there and give him carrots.
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Bond, You can't disregard the other trainers and owners that will end up being part of their dog and pony show. They have bills to pay. Why should they concede a chance to earn their rightful share of the purse for publicity. Don't forget, this is a business where it is becoming more difficult to win a race for a myriad of reasons. To concede a chance to win for the likes of a cheater like Burke and a horse that has made over 7 million is comical. If the higher class that he actually fits is too tough for him then pull the shoes and send him to The Kentucky Horse Park. God knows he deserves it.
This is a track PROMOTION and, for one, the promotion is about racing not a petting zoo for kids. The money Foiled Again is racing for is meaningless and the trainers do not have to enter if they don't like the race conditions. There is no guarantee he will win. All the race conditions do is make for a competitive race. That is the idea isn't it? I'll bet if they somehow wrote the conditions so Foiled Again did not get any purse money you would still complain.
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This is a track PROMOTION and, for one, the promotion is about racing not a petting zoo for kids. The money Foiled Again is racing for is meaningless and the trainers do not have to enter if they don't like the race conditions. There is no guarantee he will win. All the race conditions do is make for a competitive race. That is the idea isn't it? I'll bet if they somehow wrote the conditions so Foiled Again did not get any purse money you would still complain.
EXACTLY WHAT FAN BASE ARE THEY PROMOTING THIS HORSE TO?
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Correct. Writing a condition specifically for him in an easier race shows me what a dick the race secretary is. Burke gets enough favors.
Just fucking stop already 73cv.2
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THIS HAS AN IMPACT ON ABOUT ZERO PEOPLE
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THIS HAS AN IMPACT ON ABOUT ZERO PEOPLE
Exactly zero.
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THIS HAS AN IMPACT ON ABOUT ZERO PEOPLE
You are completely wrong. I know people have gone to the track just to see him race and I have seen loud cheers when he won a race. The fan base of harness racing has dwindled but there are still fans who appreciate the chance to see this champion. In this time when horses are retired after a limited number of starts, it is nice to have Foiled Again.
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Exactly zero.
Obviously you have not been to a track where he has raced recently.
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You are completely wrong. I know people have gone to the track just to see him race and I have seen loud cheers when he won a race. The fan base of harness racing has dwindled but there are still fans who appreciate the chance to see this champion. In this time when horses are retired after a limited number of starts, it is nice to have Foiled Again.
NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE PLAY THE BAND SAW ANYMORE
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You play with the tube steak too much
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You play with the tube steak too much
YOU FAT BASTARD
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You are actually wrong. People cheer when he races and do come out to see him race. The people in attendance do appreciate seeing Foiled Again.
and harrah's located in the worst neighborhood in chester isn't exactly a congenial place to go. most will wait till the horse comes to a track near them.
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The only reason anyone will show up is if Miss America is giving free blowjobs.
A FAIR AND PROFESSIONAL WAY?
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great job PJ . YOU DID GOOD
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I'm gonna tell my grandkids about how I saw foiled again race as a 14 year old and finish 4th in a non winners of a ham sandwich race in buffalo
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i think assigned the rail also
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Firstly moron, if no one enters, he won't have a race to compete in. Secondly moron, he doesn't fit the condition as usually written. Thirdly moron, If you read an earlier post of mine, I suggested that they bar FA from the purse but since you are a moron, you probably missed that one.
Since you show you lack of class (and intelligence) buy using insults, the race secretary knows the horses at the track and he can judge Foiled Again's current ability. I image he picked the race to add conditions to include Foiled Again so it would be a competitive race. That is what his job is. If you think you can do better, why not send them a resume. Make sure to use the word "moron" in your cover letter. If that race would fill without Foiled Again, I doubt it will have any trouble filling with him.
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I'm gonna tell my grandkids about how I saw foiled again race as a 14 year old and finish 4th in a non winners of a ham sandwich race in buffalo
I would tell my grandkids how I saw the richest standardbred by far race.
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And your grandkids will say...gramps what is harness racing? What did they have in common with dinosaurs because I never had a chance to see either.
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The horsemen of the 60's and 70's laid the groundwork for the industry to begin to fail. Lack of customer service started then started the problems, they cheated the customer even more back then, now they cheat each other and the endgame of no racing at all would be just penalty. Anything I can help to put harness racing out of its memory I am in favor of.
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USTA may also ramp up there Back to the Track promotions. May be some free t-shirts of FA for the first 100 in attendance since he got to 100 wins.
Then they will have 50 or 60 left over that will be sent to the next track he's entered to go. If fans truly want to see a champion they will trek to Kentucky Horse Park and spend the day with family learning and seeing the overall love of horses and there commitment of becoming that Champion. Not some cheap race that means little at some racetrack near you. Hopefully for all involved that happens and not some freak step taken on the track by a 14 year old horse and he breaks down or comes up lame during the race. What will the headlines then be?
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The horsemen of the 60's and 70's laid the groundwork for the industry to begin to fail. Lack of customer service started then started the problems, they cheated the customer even more back then, now they cheat each other and the endgame of no racing at all would be just penalty. Anything I can help to put harness racing out of its memory I am in favor of.
Yes. Most track owners were blind to the concept of customer service as, they had monopolies. Scandal after scandal, blatant cheating was right in your face. Yet, the industry was almost bullet proof. The first state sponsored lottery was the beginning of choices. The more choices people had the less they chose harness racing.
I do not single the horsemen, the entire industry including the states were smugg and refused too do the right thing.
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And your grandkids will say...gramps what is harness racing? What did they have in common with dinosaurs because I never had a chance to see either.
Why do you bother to post here? If the sport is so bad why do you follow it?
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Why do you bother to post here? If the sport is so bad why do you follow it?
tell us the good in our sport
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And your grandkids will say...gramps what is harness racing? What did they have in common with dinosaurs because I never had a chance to see either.
Actuly, I think the same question will still exsist as it has for 70 years, ..."you mean the horses that pull that buggie thing?" Aren't they all fixed?"
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Actuly, I think the same question will still exsist as it has for 70 years, ..."you mean the horses that pull that buggie thing?" Aren't they all fixed?"
a true friend would never bring them to the track
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2 hole
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The best argument in here is that the condition sheet is made to draw a fair race between even horses. That's exactly what the race secretary is doing, just as she has the right to do. If you don't like the conditions, don't enter your horse...... There is nothing wrong with this, especially because Foiled Again would clearly be over matched in either of the two races he was on the condition sheet for. If you look at the race entry for Saturday, Foiled Again is going to be slaughtered by these horses.
Now if she'd wrote him in for a 2yo trotting NW500 lifetime, then you'd have an argument, since her intentions would clearly not be to make an even race.
Also, respect to Burke for entering Foiled in the harder of the two conditions he was wrote in for, choosing the NW7500 L5 instead of the NW5000 L5.
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Artful Way will likely leave Foiled in the dust
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FF...I still own, breed, and wager. I own less because I figured the game was never going to have a level playing field. I do it because I can why do you care about my two sense. If you don't like it just keep scrolling.
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Anyone who thinks the race secretary did the right thing is a complete idiot and doesn't understand the current classification system at Saratoga. If they were still using the ABC system then yes, the race secretary to some degree can use his or her discretion to fill a race. However, Saratoga is using the NW classification which was instituted to take the race secretaries rampant bias out of the equation. Maybe Foiled Again gets his doors blown off but that is not the point. The condition is a slap in the face to the horsemen at Saratoga and more than likely there is an owner and trainer who dropped in that race and didn't get in because FA filled one of the spots. I know if I was that particular owner/trainer, that race secretary would hear about it.
And life would go on.
Let the old fella do his tour.
Be nice if Burke et al donated FAs earnings to an industry charity but he hasn't asked me.
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Opinions are like ass holes, everyone has one! My feeling is that there is no logical or plausible reason to further race the horse! Like many of the greats, Rambling Willie, Niatross,etc, parading during a Saturday race card at various venues for publicity reasons would surely be more fitting!
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tell us the good in our sport
THERE AREN'T THAT MANY TOKEN NIGGERS LIKE THE TEAGR(http://www.horseplop.com/Smileys/smileys1/afro.gif)S IN IT
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Wiz you are the best
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More like a gutless mutt.
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Another great reason to do a double header Saturday, Not only the Gerrity, some great New York Stakes, but to get to see Foiled Again as well. Great job by all those involved, Nice to think out of the box for a change tmbz1
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Another great reason to do a double header Saturday, Not only the Gerrity, some great New York Stakes, but to get to see Foiled Again as well. Great job by all those involved, Nice to think out of the box for a change tmbz1
great double header. don't forget the two tracks have a daily double
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THERE AREN'T THAT MANY TOKEN NIGGERS LIKE THE TEAGR(http://www.horseplop.com/Smileys/smileys1/afro.gif)S IN IT
Why is this allowed? Pigland? Why don't you "band" [sic] him?
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Anyone who thinks the race secretary did the right thing is a complete idiot and doesn't understand the current classification system at Saratoga. If they were still using the ABC system then yes, the race secretary to some degree can use his or her discretion to fill a race. However, Saratoga is using the NW classification which was instituted to take the race secretaries rampant bias out of the equation. Maybe Foiled Again gets his doors blown off but that is not the point. The condition is a slap in the face to the horsemen at Saratoga and more than likely there is an owner and trainer who dropped in that race and didn't get in because FA filled one of the spots. I know if I was that particular owner/trainer, that race secretary would hear about it.
He wrote a condition which should yield a competitive race which will also allow Foiled Again to race. Again you show your lack of class and weakness of your position by trying to prove your point with insults.
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Opinions are like ass holes, everyone has one! My feeling is that there is no logical or plausible reason to further race the horse! Like many of the greats, Rambling Willie, Niatross,etc, parading during a Saturday race card at various venues for publicity reasons would surely be more fitting!
He is a racehorse, some of us want to see him race. What I hear is the horse does not do well when he is not racing.
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Don't ask the Jew who runs the Meadowlands to do you any favors. He will screw you any chance he can. He cant face facts he is OLD and unliked and sinking down the ranking order
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I personally don't see anything wrong with this...so they are being a bit cute to get the horse there on their biggest night of the year. FA will be a bigger story than anyone in the Gerrity, and with the horse actually getting a bit of national publicity now maybe some T-bred people will make their way over to check him out.
It's not like any race they write him into will automatically be a cakewalk at this point in his career.
WHY in the fuck would ANY thoroughbred people come to a harness track to see a harness horse who is WAY past his prime? ngc3 ngc3
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This is a track PROMOTION and, for one, the promotion is about racing not a petting zoo for kids. The money Foiled Again is racing for is meaningless and the trainers do not have to enter if they don't like the race conditions. There is no guarantee he will win. All the race conditions do is make for a competitive race. That is the idea isn't it? I'll bet if they somehow wrote the conditions so Foiled Again did not get any purse money you would still complain.
So Foiled Agains owners should get purse money for a race he truly does NOT deserve to be eligible for. Squeezing EVERY penny out of an animal. WHY not donate ALL money made by the horse to a horse retirement fund. It DEFINITELY is not fair to the other horses he races against. Why don't they write a $5 claimer and have that same also eligible condition to it? Then the horse might win easily. It's a sham. Kind of like watching Joe Namath and when he played for the Rams. Painful to watch a great athlete struggle to perform at the levels people expect them too.
And for your theory of other trainers not entering against him, WHY should THEY have to sit out a week and miss an opportunity to make money and pay THEIR bills?
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So Foiled Agains owners should get purse money for a race he truly does NOT deserve to be eligible for. Squeezing EVERY penny out of an animal. WHY not donate ALL money made by the horse to a horse retirement fund. It DEFINITELY is not fair to the other horses he races against. Why don't they write a $5 claimer and have that same also eligible condition to it? Then the horse might win easily. It's a sham. Kind of like watching Joe Namath and when he played for the Rams. Painful to watch a great athlete struggle to perform at the levels people expect them too.
And for your theory of other trainers not entering against him, WHY should THEY have to sit out a week and miss an opportunity to make money and pay THEIR bills?
We can debate what the ownership group of Foiled Again does with any money he might earn. The bottom line is this race was written as a competitive race given Foiled Again's current ability. Nobody is forcing anyone to enter the race. Whatever happens to the purse money (which is insignificant to the Foiled Again owners), this is good for harness racing. Many real fans will be glad for the opportunity to see him race.
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u think the race secretary knows the horses..then ur as dumb as they come
race secretarys are morons
Then send they your resume if you are better.
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THEY NEED TO FIRE THIS GUY AND BRING BACK HOOBER
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cant beat artfulway
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We can debate what the ownership group of Foiled Again does with any money he might earn. The bottom line is this race was written as a competitive race given Foiled Again's current ability. Nobody is forcing anyone to enter the race. Whatever happens to the purse money (which is insignificant to the Foiled Again owners), this is good for harness racing. Many real fans will be glad for the opportunity to see him race.
CAN YOU GIVE US AN OVER/UNDER ON CROWD ATTENDANCE? WHAT SHOULD WE EXPECT TO SEE DURING THIS EPIC EVENT?
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CAN YOU GIVE US AN OVER/UNDER ON CROWD ATTENDANCE? WHAT SHOULD WE EXPECT TO SEE DURING THIS EPIC EVENT?
If Skillets need to remove shoes and socks in order to count total fans, that counts as Over.
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CAN YOU GIVE US AN OVER/UNDER ON CROWD ATTENDANCE? WHAT SHOULD WE EXPECT TO SEE DURING THIS EPIC EVENT?
Why do you even bother to follow harness racing?
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Why do you even bother to follow harness racing?
Fatboy does not follow harness racing. Harness racing follows Fatboy.
He's kind of a big deal in the sport.
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Why do you even bother to follow harness racing?
BECAUSE I WORKED FOR A GUY THAT KNEW A GUY THAT DID AND HE CASHED ALOT
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WHY in the fuck would ANY thoroughbred people come to a harness track to see a harness horse who is WAY past his prime? ngc3 ngc3
because there is nothing else to do in saratoga after the thoroughbreds run. what go to the performing arts center, lincoln baths, some overpriced restaurant. harness track located across the street from the backstretch. you used to be able to eat off the floor there, doubt it now. but they have vlt's and the rest of the del mar card.
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because there is nothing else to do in saratoga after the thoroughbreds run. what go to the performing arts center, lincoln baths, some overpriced restaurant. harness track located across the street from the backstretch. you used to be able to eat off the floor there, doubt it now. but they have vlt's and the rest of the del mar card.
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g48562-d218329-Reviews-Lincoln_Mineral_Baths-Saratoga_Springs_New_York.html
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because there is nothing else to do in saratoga after the thoroughbreds run. what go to the performing arts center, lincoln baths, some overpriced restaurant. harness track located across the street from the backstretch. you used to be able to eat off the floor there, doubt it now. but they have vlt's and the rest of the del mar card.
LAST TIME I WAS THERE, I HAD ALL I COULD DO TO FIND MY WAY TO THE RACETRACK. SEEMED LIKE EVERY INCH OF SPACE LED YOU TO THE CASINO. I FOUND IT, BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS THERE...BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY SO MANY HAVE NO IDEA HARNESS RACING IS STILL HAPPENING THERE. AGAIN, THIS WAS A FEW YEARS AGO...MAYBE THEY HAVE CHANGED THINGS.
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HE IS GOING TO BATAVIA LATER IN THE YEAR TOO
Then on Friday (Sept. 21), all eight NYSS final consolation races will be held at the Downs with an additional $320,000 to be doled out.
That same night the Downs two signature races will be held. The $15,000 Brian Schroeder Memorial trot and $15,000 Duke Dranichek Memorial pace will feature some of the best Open talent around including the richest pacer of all time.
Trainer Ron Burke has marked his calendar and said the $7.5 million-dollar man/100-win wonder, Foiled Again is scheduled to compete in the Dranichek pace. Foiled Again has won three $50,000 Kane Memorials in Batavia along with two Saturday night Opens. He likes the track and he's coming back for a farewell appearance before his mandatory retirement at the end of the year.
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Why do you even bother to follow harness racing?
Are you Jewish, Mr. Flintstein?
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It is definitely wrong to write Foiled Again into races where people are making a living off of. He is a tremendous horse that should be portrayed as such, and not being given easier racing spots because of ridiculous racing secretaries doing ridiculous things.
He should be fucking retired
Are they hoping he breaks down??
11.mq
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He should be fucking retired
Are they hoping he breaks down??
11.mq
UNLIKELY...THEY LETTIN HIM GO HIS OWN MILES
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cant win
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It is definitely wrong to write Foiled Again into races where people are making a living off of. He is a tremendous horse that should be portrayed as such, and not being given easier racing spots because of ridiculous racing secretaries doing ridiculous things.
They are not giving him an easier spot to race. They added the special condition to a race where he will be competitive. This race is by no means an easy win for Foiled Again.
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He should be fucking retired
Are they hoping he breaks down??
11.mq
He does not do well when he is not racing. He is a racehorse and he is going to end his career racing.
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Who are you, Frederick Frankenburke?
That statement has been printed numerous times.
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That statement has been printed numerous times.
By who, the greedy Burke’s and owners? Wtf do you think they will say?
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By who, the greedy Burke’s and owners? Wtf do you think they will say?
How many starts does the horse have. It is not hurting him to race for 2 minutes a couple times a month. The horse is only half way through his lifespan. He is a race horse. Burke is not racing him for the purse money. He has horses which will make more in one start than Foiled Again will make this year. If he just wanted the purse money, why put out the money to truck from track to track.
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How many starts does the horse have. It is not hurting him to race for 2 minutes a couple times a month. The horse is only half way through his lifespan. He is a race horse.
I have NO idea WHERE you get your info-but the lifespan of a racehorse is NOT HIGHER than 28. It is EXTREMELY RARE for a racehorse to make it alive to 28 years old. AND do YOU KNOW it's not hurting him when he races?