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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Locked in with pace on May 22, 2022, 05:36:55 AM
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WHEN DO THEY HAVE ENOUGH
ALWAYS THE LEADING MONEY-WINNING TRAINER BY A LANDSLIDE
BUILDS UP STABLES IN THE NEW UP AND COMING STATES
NOW BUYING THE TOP-PRICED HORSES ON THE INTERNET SALES SITES.
HAS MORE MULTIPLE ENTRIES THAN ANYONE IN OVERNIGHTS AND STAKES RACES
THEY OBVIOUSLY WORK HARD BUT THEY MAY NOT REALIZE THAT THEY ARE HURTING ANY GROWTH OF THE SPORT BIG TIME
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ALWAYS THE LEADING MONEY-WINNING TRAINER BY A LANDSLIDE
BUILDS UP STABLES IN THE NEW UP AND COMING STATES
NOW BUYING THE TOP-PRICED HORSES ON THE INTERNET SALES SITES.
HAS MORE MULTIPLE ENTRIES THAN ANYONE IN OVERNIGHTS AND STAKES RACES
THEY OBVIOUSLY WORK HARD BUT THEY MAY NOT REALIZE THAT THEY ARE HURTING ANY GROWTH OF THE SPORT BIG TIME
[/quote] good discussion about this on prior RUN FOR THE HILLS IN OHIO board
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The monopoly of horses is worse in harness than T-Bred racing. Although both are dying, Harness is closer to the grave and this is one of the reasons.
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anyone can feel free to out-bid them at the yearling sales, buy at the on-line auctions and claim from them at the claim box
they have no monopoly on the sport
feel free to raise capital and beat them
last I heard they haven't won the Hambletonian
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anyone can feel free to out-bid them at the yearling sales, buy at the on-line auctions and claim from them at the claim box
they have no monopoly on the sport
feel free to raise capital and beat them
last I heard they haven't won the Hambletonian
Correct.. it’s called capitalism boys and girls..
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they spend the most
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yes people can claim off them and out bid then but... we all know the positives get swept away from the huge outfits. tracks cant afford to not have their multiple entries. then the little stables get screwed for the same positives.
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I don’t know
Can’t figure out what they are doing wrong
That’s bothering you guys they buy a lot of horses
80 to
90 percent of their babies don’t pan out but the rest are really good or close to grand circuit material every yr
They claim a lot and buy a lot of over night horses privately
And claim a lot
EVERYONE can do the same as they are doing
ITS NOT A BIG SECRET
All you ploppers can do the same
What’s the problem boys
NO MONEY ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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true capitalism( god bless america)
its a free country
did mcdonalds give shit about mom and pop burger joints as they opened stores across north america
i understand harness racing is a little different than fast food but the concept of capital flowing to where it gets a good roi is not
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Correct.. it’s called capitalism boys and girls..
That's right where the 1% own most the wealth. Rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Sure sounds like the state of harness racing.
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I don’t know
Can’t figure out what they are doing wrong
That’s bothering you guys they buy a lot of horses
80 to
90 percent of their babies don’t pan out but the rest are really good or close to grand circuit material every yr
They claim a lot and buy a lot of over night horses privately
And claim a lot
EVERYONE can do the same as they are doing
ITS NOT A BIG SECRET
All you ploppers can do the same
What’s the problem boys
NO MONEY ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
They definitely must know how to pick the yearlings. I have followed 15 of their 2020 downbytheseaside yearling picks. All but three are doing very well as 3 yo. Much higher percent return on their money than other stables. They are awful lucky or have some magic formula no one knows about.
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They definitely must know how to pick the yearlings. I have followed 15 of their 2020 downbytheseaside yearling picks. All but three are doing very well as 3 yo. Much higher percent return on their money than other stables. They are awful lucky or have some magic formula no one knows about.
need luck on yearlings, Seaside yearlings so far have been better than other stallions
they have their share of yearlings that don't perform, everyone does
feel free to put your own people and money together, select a trainer, and out-do them, it's a free sport
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The Stable has a ton of horses, spend a lot $$$ at sales etc
Burkes aren't the only ones
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ummm kole
did you just compare the stable.ca to the burke brigade
please say that was not your intention
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ummm kole
did you just compare the stable.ca to the burke brigade
please say that was not your intention
only saying they have a ton of stock & do not get near the results
It isn't only Ron making the Burke machine spin
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need luck on yearlings, Seaside yearlings so far have been better than other stallions
they have their share of yearlings that don't perform, everyone does
feel free to put your own people and money together, select a trainer, and out-do them, it's a free sport
I do own a seaside. That why I kept track of all the seasides at each stable for the fun of it. Burke not only picked seasilk which was medium priced , but almost all his 15 or so except a few are still performing well. Whereas brown's stable had selected about 20 2020 seaside yearlings but hasn't had close to Burkes success except for gulf shores and a few others. There are bunch load of other high priced seasides from other stables haven't done well either. There's got to be more than luck involved to be that successful at picking yearlings.
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got it kole
thank you for clarifying
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last I heard they haven't won the Hambletonian
For completeness, ONLY because What the Hill was disqualified for interference causing Guardian Angel AS to break in 2017. Perfect Spirit was declared the winner.
I expect Burke will get his Hambo before he retires.
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There's got to be more than luck involved to be that successful at picking yearlings.
there's so many high priced yearlings that don't come close to earning their yearling price tags, there were 2 trotting yearlings that cost over a million (check for their pictures on milk cartons in your fridge), and numerous recent yearling tax losses
there's a lot of luck involved
Ron works hard and they have a great operation but they are disciplined buyers at the yearling auctions, you can always outbid them but it's difficult to outwork them!
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Burke found the keys to the car many years ago be big enough and classify the horses correctly. Get as many open horses and enter across the state lines at multiple tracks. Buy yearlings with 3 other partners have 25% ownership on everything. Be too big to fail and the powers to be will let you roll on. On those yearlings you get a couple that are champions that get syndicated and gets you years of extra buying power that 95% of other trainers can't get you. Is it right it's up for debate but nobody else has found those keys
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No one is arguing that this is capitalism at it's finest. The point was that not all capitalism is good for everything. They are driving owners out of the business and it's not good for the overall well being of racing. This being said, you have the option to join them, beat them or walk away. tmbz1
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Lou Pena was on his way to 100 horses & was stopped. No positives for Lou & he pointed that out. Burke has had many positives & was allowed to keep expanding.
Allard had a big stable & got arrested. Why are there different rules for Burke?
Dowse & many others are ridiculous at Yonkers Raceway. I think the cheating is as bad or worse 2 years after the arrests.
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Lou Pena was on his way to 100 horses & was stopped. No positives for Lou & he pointed that out. Burke has had many positives & was allowed to keep expanding.
Allard had a big stable & got arrested. Why are there different rules for Burke?
Dowse & many others are ridiculous at Yonkers Raceway. I think the cheating is as bad or worse 2 years after the arrests.
Dowse and Spacc are just rubbing in the publics face. Much like Lou used to do. Burke does not train anywhere near the percentage of this eras biggest juicers. Not saying Burke doesn't have his own magic potions, but he uses them in the right spots. He flies under the radar and clearly doesn't brag about what he uses like these other morons.
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THE ISSUE HERE IS NOT THE INVESTORS BUYING THE HORSES BUT THE TRACKS AND THE COMMISSIONS THAT LET MULTIPLE ENTRIES IN EVEN OVER NIGHT RACES. NO FOOL WOULD BET THESE RACES AS THE TRAINERS AND OWNERS DEFINITELY KNOW WHO CAN AND WHO CANNOT WIN THESE RACES. THEREFORE, BLAME THE INDUSTRY AGAIN FOR THE FAILURE TO MANAGE AND CONTROL THE SPORT.
ANYONE CAN BUY OR SELL HORSES BUT TO HAVE 5 IN A RACE BY A TRAINER IS A JOKE AND DEFINITELY HURTS THE SPORT. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A NEGATIVE TO THE INVESTORS WHO BUY THE HORSES BUT THE TRACKS AND COMMISSION WHO LET THEM RACE UNCOUPLED AS SEPARATE BETTING INTEREST. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THAT IN THE OLD DAYS WHEN RACING WAS GOING GREAT? I THINK NOT.
DIFFERENT SPORT IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT A SPORT. PAST THE POINT OF SALVATION TODAY AS WE SEE IT.
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WHEN DO THEY HAVE ENOUGH
A rare good topic that has not turned into men blowing other men.
Question --- when do they have enough ?
If you took a poll, I would think that most believe that in the future, which could 2,3,5,10 years that decoupling is going to happen. When it does, everything crashes. Purses, breeding industry, and ability to make money although still most do not.
Burke is gonna get all he can, continue to get all he can, because there may be a point there will not be anything to get. I see drivers like Merriman. Love him or hate him. If he's smart he has two banks stashed with cash from all the drives and wins he has had.... He's one bad accident or a industry that could falter from having his career taken away..
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You may be right, Dink. I see the greatest threat to racing is the state. For the past 2 years, state coffers have been filled with Federal grants. I see many states spending this money in any way they can. Most have been filling their educational budgets with one shots from the fed.
So, in the next two years, how will they be able to continue this level of spending? Where will the money come from? Not the Feds. Raising taxes in a down turn economy with double digit inflation is political suicide.
Decoupling will have greater support by both parties in the near future. Not to mention the changing cultural powers. All in all, racing better start making better use of the slot money real soon.
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A rare good topic that has not turned into men blowing other men.
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Racing was popular many years ago. It isn't anymore. No reason to just piss away money to a bunch of cheating degenerates to keep it going. Blockbuster was popular and had a nice run too. Race without the welfare money.
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Racing was popular many years ago. It isn't anymore. No reason to just piss away money to a bunch of cheating degenerates to keep it going. Blockbuster was popular and had a nice run too. Race without the welfare money.
without the slot stipend most people couldn't afford to race
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without the slot stipend most people couldn't afford to race
That’s just too bad. Enough with the handouts.
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The static nature of the humans involved in this "sport" is arguably the greatest reason it is failing. New blood is needed, and there just never is any. Same people, same gene pools.