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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: mwins on October 29, 2019, 06:56:06 AM
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They finally caught up to Doug for his June 29 stiff job on the 4-5 favourite Easy Lover Hanover. Only took 4 months.
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Look at timing waited until after the breeders crown
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I’m 99% sure that’s not the reason why
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this is about him whipping Travis Cullen just after a race was completed
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would like to see the actual report from AGCO
hit dougie hard, over 30 days suspended
time for a vacation
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Should have gotten 90 days, it happens again off to the states to drive. The judges seriously need to grow a set of balls
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this is about him whipping Travis Cullen just after a race was completed
If you say so lol. But it reads specifically for the drive I referenced.
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as usual they wait till stake season is over dont want to incovience ay horsemen menary will probably take his days now
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If it's the reference raced, gotta love the stretch stare at the toteboard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp4LpW855R4
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If you want to fine someone for the drive, fine Henry.
Looked to me like Doug left nicely from the 1 hole, let the 2 go by for cover, pulls out to use it and Henry pulls in front of him and drops the anchor. Once he knows he has fucked the favorite, he puts his donkey back inside and the rest is history.
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I’m sure it has to do with the interaction with TC after the race
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slimshady
please do not try and justify that drive
it was blatant and wrong on so many fronts
mcnair put himself in peril well before the half, intentionally or not , as they say stupidity is not a defense
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Stupidity doesn't make you a crook either.
Otherwise 70% of drivers would be fined daily !!!!
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This was for the carve job after the wire.
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Link to race in question
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Guys it’s not about the race ffs
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Stupidity doesn't make you a crook either.
Otherwise 70% of drivers would be fined daily !!!!
well I am not going to argue that point!!!
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I find it extremely hard to believe that he got a years probation and a big fine just bc of that drive, unless the judges have more than just that. Ive sat behind 4/5 shots that for one reason or another had absolutely no interest in racing that night. So you have a choice of staying on the rail and look like you're cheating or pulling and going backward causing danger for everyone behind you. Most guys will opt to just stay out of the way and live to race another day. You learn to tune out the "hey you asshole cheater" comments from those who can't even spell horse, let alone drive one
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Doug is a pompous ass,,,no class
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FirstUp ... I agree with your comment, but it doesn't fit this race. Watch McNair's horse down the stretch. It was wanting to climb over horses, but there wasn't a hole available. I still believe the race was lost when Henry backed up into his face between the half and 3/4 pole.
You could also argue, he has so much the better horse, why wasn't he out first over and he wouldn't have had to worry about anybody else, but sometimes you go into a race wanting the easier trip with cover, expecting to win and take less out of the horse.
Sometimes, shit happens.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp4LpW855R4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp4LpW855R4
Shady, You may be right. If so Im sure the trainer wasn't very happy about that happening in a $34000 race
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Are you guys retarded? There was an altercation after the race ended. Fuck. Get with the program.
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Seriously??
This is a BS fine and suspension.
Ask Ben Wallace what he thinks. There is no way McNair is stiffing one of Ben's horses is the damn preferred at Mohawk. That's just stupid. You are not stiffing that trainer in that race, no matter what you think of McNair.
McNair thought the 5 was the best or the next best. So did the betting public. He floated out of there expecting to be towed to the top of the lane by the 5 and blow by him. The 5 came up empty and shit happened.
If he could do it again of course he tips earlier, but he believed like everyone else it was a two horse race so he was going to win and have a good trip.
It didn't work out - that's different than cheating!
FirstUp ... I agree with your comment, but it doesn't fit this race. Watch McNair's horse down the stretch. It was wanting to climb over horses, but there wasn't a hole available. I still believe the race was lost when Henry backed up into his face between the half and 3/4 pole.
You could also argue, he has so much the better horse, why wasn't he out first over and he wouldn't have had to worry about anybody else, but sometimes you go into a race wanting the easier trip with cover, expecting to win and take less out of the horse.
Sometimes, shit happens.
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That makes more sense than the BS being discussed here...
Are you guys retarded? There was an altercation after the race ended. Fuck. Get with the program.
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Artsplace ... Ok, the fine is for the altercation after the race. No argument from me. It's still interesting debating the drive.
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first off i cannot determine between a stiff or just stupidity and a bad decision, shit happens and who ever knows which it is
i do believe it has more to do with the after race
can we not find the actual report on the suspension, that would clarify ..no??
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first off i cannot determine between a stiff or just stupidity and a bad decision, shit happens and who ever knows which it is
i do believe it has more to do with the after race
can we not find the actual report on the suspension, that would clarify ..no??
https://www.agco.ca/content/chapter-6-violations-penalties-and-expulsions
he was charged with this...….I checked on the SC web site under fines and suspensions
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specifally 6.17
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McNair locked Cullen in earlier in the card & Cullen in turn returned the favor...
The fine and suspension is for beating Cullen in the event.
This should have never been given this paltry a fine & suspension. Keith Oliver got six months for crowning Randy Waples (deservedly so) 17 years ago.
McNair should have got a six month suspension & 25k fine minimum for these actions. If Cullen had done the same thing, he would have been barred for life, guaranteed. tmbz1
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Have we confirmed what the actual confrontation was?
Did he slap him with a whip? Did he punch him in the driver's room?
Who can give some details on the fine inducing altercation.
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I watched the replay, coming into the stretch instead of giving the horse some room ti his right, Cullen decided to bear to the left, blocking Doug,s horse, in fact I saw that horse jerk his head.....Dougie took the law into his own hands and is paying the price......I bet this would never happened if it was Drury driving instead pf McNair
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Have we confirmed what the actual confrontation was?
Did he slap him with a whip? Did he punch him in the driver's room?
Who can give some details on the fine inducing altercation.
Whip
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McNair locked Cullen in earlier in the card & Cullen in turn returned the favor...
The fine and suspension is for beating Cullen in the event.
This should have never been given this paltry a fine & suspension. Keith Oliver got six months for crowning Randy Waples (deservedly so) 17 years ago.
McNair should have got a six month suspension & 25k fine minimum for these actions. If Cullen had done the same thing, he would have been barred for life, guaranteed. tmbz1
Randy should have been crowned again after that horseshit he pulled in the stretch the other night. His demons are gonna end up killing someone.
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McNair whipped Cullen, not sure why people think its for a stiff, its whipping Cullen.
I was in the paddock the night Oliver crowned Waples, Waples mouth got him in hot water and he got what he deserved. Oliver got to golf for months & unlike lots of drivers, he was always very smart with his money.
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McNair whipped Cullen, not sure why people think its for a stiff, its whipping Cullen.
I was in the paddock the night Oliver crowned Waples, Waples mouth got him in hot water and he got what he deserved. Oliver got to golf for months & unlike lots of drivers, he was always very smart with his money.
you were calling for a stiffer penalty for McNair.....others may say that Cullen got what he deserved, but yet here you are saying Randy got what he deserved......rul ings should never depend on whether you like the guy or not.....for the record I think both McNair and Cullen are POS, and Randy is not that far behind.....Oliver was an ok guy but he is the one out of racing,,,irony?
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If you only get fined $150 to $300 for excessive whipping of a horse, why is it $2500 for whipping another driver?
No fine unless he got him in the face !!!
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How many other drivers has Mcnair gotten into it with? Did him and Phil Hudon have an altercation in the past few years
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https://streamable.com/7wlui
this was only $500
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I saw a trainer hit a driver with a whip during morning jogs once. The trainer had just found out the driver was putting the boots to his wife. There is never any shortage of drama on the backside
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there is a great reality show on the backstretch just waiting to be told
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Randy attempted a reality show maybe 7-8 years ago, including a "fake" shove by Jody to Randy at the paddock doors. The attempt a reality show never made it far.
I think there's a big difference between what Oliver & McNair did. Plus lets face the facts, McNair is a big name at WEG & Oliver was not. Waples came off the track running his mouth, yapping at Oliver non-stop, what are you going to do little man stuff & whammo, helmet off the head shutting his yap for awhile. McNair hitting someone with a whip in a race repeatedly is a much more serious violation in my estimation. McNair is a leading driver, hence 1 month vacation, if the shoe was on the other foot, I am willing to bet Cullen would be told to never step foot there again.
I have no personal feelings about Waples or McNair, it's my opinion only & how I see it. tmbz1
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Don't forget to mention he clocked him in the back of the head.
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"McNair hitting someone with a whip in a race repeatedly is a much more serious violation"
Whipper .... Where did you get this info from. If you watch the race, McNair isn't in any position to repeatedly whip anyone. Still sounds and looks like a non event to me. Big to do about nothing.
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Shady it happened in the backstretch while pulling up
McNair put him into the infield and started slashing causing welts to various body parts
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"McNair hitting someone with a whip in a race repeatedly is a much more serious violation"
Whipper .... Where did you get this info from. If you watch the race, McNair isn't in any position to repeatedly whip anyone. Still sounds and looks like a non event to me. Big to do about nothing.
Are you a fucking idiot? Yur comparing what you are trying to see in a replay to what we saw when the boys got back to the paddock. Holy fuck man.
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Are you a fucking idiot? Yur comparing what you are trying to see in a replay to what we saw when the boys got back to the paddock. Holy fuck man.
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Slim is a fucking dummy.
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Arty .... Holy fuck man, relax. I was trying to get someone that actually saw it to describe what happened. This is the first detailed account of him putting him down to the infield and whipping him. Still don't care, but at least I now have an eye witness account.
They are a couple of little smurfs. How badly could they hurt each other !!!!
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Shady it happened in the backstretch while pulling up
McNair put him into the infield and started slashing causing welts to various body parts
Holy shit, he's damn lucky he wasn't charged with assault for that. That's serious stuff there. I've been in arguments after a race but never anything physical
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Are you a fucking idiot? Yur comparing what you are trying to see in a replay to what we saw when the boys got back to the paddock. Holy fuck man.
Someone should knock you the fuck out.
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PGhost ..... Knock Slim out or Artsplace ?
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Someone should knock you the fuck out.
Another internet tough guy. I'm not hard to find. Ask around for the harness guy from Scarborough. Then PM me for more info.
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Another internet tough guy. I'm not hard to find. Ask around for the harness guy from Scarborough. Then PM me for more info.
Dont need to someone will inevitably do it the way you run your mouth off.
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Also, did Mcnair appeal? How is he still driving?
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WHHHHOOOO THE FUC CARES.
CHRIST ASSHOLES. You KNOW not 1 thing about HORSERACIN.
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PPG .... I think the suspension starts tomorrow, as per Standardbred Canada.
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Rulings from the Panel of C. Walker, P. Gillies and D. Stewart:
Doug McNair was found to be in violation of AGCO rules 6.01 (c, d), 6.17 (d), and 6.20 (b). “Improper conduct and misconduct prejudicial to the best interests of racing. Penalty of $2,500 and a 30 day full suspension November 4th to December 3 2019. Sb 49746.
Also conditions were placed on his license from December 4th 2019 to December 3 2020. Agco rule 6.17. Sb 49747
From Oct 21 2019 in race #10 driver Doug McNair was found to be in violation of AGCO rules 22.23.03 (b), 22.2305 (a, b) and Policy Directive 3-2019. “More than acceptable wrist action while urging”. 2nd offence within 1 year, penalty of $300 pus 5 day driving suspension Dec 4 5 6 7 8 2019. Sb 51059
From Oct 26 2019 in race #9 driver Doug McNair was found to be in violation of AGCO rule 22.05.01 A. “driver interference” Penalty of 3 day driving suspension Dec 9 10 11 2019 Sb 51060.