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Title: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: Janny on August 21, 2020, 04:44:55 PM
Will shut down for year on September 27. Casino not open hurt them.
https://romesentinel.com/stories/vernon-downs-to-close-harness-track-early,102714
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: old guy on August 21, 2020, 05:48:23 PM
I've always liked Vernon but listening to Risi scream and watching Daley hump the race bike makes for a long afternoon. Sad that they are shutting down in 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: old guy on August 21, 2020, 06:16:10 PM
Ps.   Announcer completes trifecta
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: Harnessfan902 on August 21, 2020, 08:40:54 PM
Saratoga and Yonkers not far behind.     Thanks Cuomo
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: JUICEJUNKIES on August 21, 2020, 10:27:50 PM
Saratoga and Yonkers not far behind.     Thanks Cuomo

the fault lies squarely on the horsemen and track operators.
they let the sport get gutted by cheats and did nothing to preserve the fans.
they withdrew every penny and put nothing back into the sport.
no future planned just take take take...
they did this to themselves.
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: MR.DALRAE on August 21, 2020, 10:34:35 PM
THEN TELL GURAL TO FUCKING SELL,,,,,,,WHATA FUCKING CRYBABY,,,,,USE THE MEDS SPORTSBOOK MONEY BIG SHOT
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: PIGLAND on August 21, 2020, 11:59:24 PM
the fault lies squarely on the horsemen and track operators.
they let the sport get gutted by cheats and did nothing to preserve the fans.
they withdrew every penny and put nothing back into the sport.
no future planned just take take take...
they did this to themselves.
we said
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: PIGLAND on August 22, 2020, 12:00:19 AM
THEN TELL GURAL TO FUCKING SELL,,,,,,,WHATA FUCKING CRYBABY,,,,,USE THE MEDS SPORTSBOOK MONEY BIG SHOT
if vural sells there will not be racing
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: harnessplop on August 22, 2020, 07:38:45 AM
Yonkers wont have fans till next year
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: dinkadoo on August 22, 2020, 08:02:41 AM
the fault lies squarely on the horsemen and track operators.
they let the sport get gutted by cheats and did nothing to preserve the fans.
they withdrew every penny and put nothing back into the sport.
no future planned just take take take...
they did this to themselves.
Exactly
Been reading same on Facebook racing sites.

😭 wah— we have a product we destroyed so badly that the customer doesn’t want anymore and our sugar daddy ( the casino ) has run out of money to keep propping us up.

😩 wah — it’s the casino fault. We want our check.

With this attitude — think the business will survive ?
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: silent one on August 22, 2020, 09:43:11 AM
 This is great news for harness racing. The less tracks the better. Hopefully, when the dust settles, there will only be 3 or 4 tracks left racing, and they will be racing for what they generate in handle. A perfect example is Scioto. When they were the only track racing, they had record,  or near record handles, I believe. America needs less harness racing. Make AMerica Great Again!!! Defund Harness Racing.

     Sincerely, Silent One
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: The Exporter on August 22, 2020, 10:41:28 AM
You really think a 3 month snapshot of a business operating as the only available store open, is a viable and investable model. Do you just disregard the 20 years of history and the most recent performance. I give Scioto a big nod in their making the best of an opportunity but, it had little or nothing to do with a plan.
 If harness racing loses these two venues, it will be a major blow to all racing. It will in fact shrink NY breeding as all races would be on a half mile track. NY would have a great challenge in attracting a Grand Circuit level stallion.
 Also, where will these less than $20,000 value horses race?
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: chief yogi on August 22, 2020, 10:46:19 AM
the lowest horses will go to maine if racing lives on there
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: Racing Troll on August 22, 2020, 10:48:14 AM
 NO ONE SHOULD GIVE A FUCK FOR HORSEMEN PERIOD.... WHY?

BECAUSE PAYBACK FOR YOU BASTARDS IS A GREAT THING. NO ONE SHOULD GIVE A SHIT WHETHER YOU HAVE A TRACK, GO TO WHERE THERE IS ONE, AND IF THEY DONT WANT YOU

TOUGH SHIT
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: bestbetter on August 22, 2020, 10:56:14 AM
This is great news for harness racing. The less tracks the better. Hopefully, when the dust settles, there will only be 3 or 4 tracks left racing, and they will be racing for what they generate in handle. A perfect example is Scioto. When they were the only track racing, they had record,  or near record handles, I believe. America needs less harness racing. Make AMerica Great Again!!! Defund Harness Racing.

     Sincerely, Silent One
Wow...
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: The Exporter on August 22, 2020, 11:36:00 AM
Here is something to ponder. According to the website of Jeff Gural's Allerage Farm, between his two farms, one in New York and the other in PA., he has 36 broodmares. Only 4 of them are breed to New York Stallions. 3 to Chapter 7 and the other to Credit Winner.
 So, where does Jeffery see NY breeding? Well his farm shows almost zero confidence in the program as Chapter 7 is bred for Grand Circuit events. 1 mare out of 36 bredd for the NYSS program.
 
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: Parked on August 22, 2020, 02:16:10 PM
Gural hates 1/2 mile tracks. That is why he owns the only 2 in the state that are longer than 1/2 mile... 
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: The Exporter on August 22, 2020, 03:28:25 PM
Jeffery invest heavily into NY bred trotters long before he made that awful mistake in buying VD and opening Tioga.
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: MR.DALRAE on August 22, 2020, 04:02:04 PM
Jeff never speaks the truth
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: EPM on August 22, 2020, 04:04:21 PM
And guess as to when vermin can open casino? Leaving turning stoned last time there was a pretty long line of people coming in and been pretty busy every time I went..Vermin is only down the road like WTF
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: MR.DALRAE on August 22, 2020, 04:07:15 PM
Total shithole
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: Dingus on August 22, 2020, 04:13:38 PM
Tioga is not really closing much earlier than originally intended.
From 9/19 to 9/12 now.
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: chicolu on August 22, 2020, 10:02:12 PM
Gural wants to sell. Nobody wants to buy.
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: PIGLAND on August 22, 2020, 10:22:07 PM
Gural wants to sell. Nobody wants to buy.
what is a closed casino and a race track that handles 100k 2 daysa week worth?
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: old guy on August 22, 2020, 10:59:14 PM
what is a closed casino and a race track that handles 100k 2 daysa week worth?

Whatever Uncle Ray is willing to pay.
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: MR.DALRAE on August 23, 2020, 12:06:21 AM
Don’t forget you also get a cheap ass hotel
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: PIGLAND on August 23, 2020, 08:38:14 AM
Don’t forget you also get a cheap ass hotel
1 star
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: Dingus on August 23, 2020, 08:46:41 AM
Don’t forget you also get a cheap ass hotel

There’s nothing wrong with the hotel.
$90/night for horsemen, direct connection to the track, and before it was there, there was nothing close to stay at that was higher than 1 Star.
You had to stay in Sayre to find something decent, 10 miles away.
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: EPM on August 23, 2020, 10:10:41 AM
Love the hotel..had a lot  of  great times there
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: PIGLAND on August 23, 2020, 03:42:26 PM
Gural wants to sell. Nobody wants to buy.
what is a closed casino and a race track that handles 100k 2 daysa week worth?
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: Calhoun on August 23, 2020, 04:02:57 PM
what is a closed casino and a race track that handles 100k 2 daysa week worth?
Only Screwy Louie knows
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: PIGLAND on August 23, 2020, 04:15:20 PM
Only Screwy Louie knows
vernon needs batteries
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: MR.DALRAE on August 23, 2020, 06:45:07 PM
TOTAL DUMP,,,WORSE THAN HAMPTON INN
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: EPM on August 28, 2020, 09:37:52 AM
See Vermin casino hotel workers had a little rally..one sign said vermin is just as safe as Turning Stoned...that's what I been spraying
Title: Re: Vernon Downs and Tioga closing early
Post by: Parked on August 28, 2020, 07:48:55 PM
Probably safer ? 
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