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Could be a great broodmare sire. Many duds have been.
"TDS did nothing to match that" Yeah, winning the Meadowlands Pace, The NA Cup and The Cane is nothing
TDS was a very fast rat !!! Remember both wins at Lex as a 3 year old ?? Yannick got fined for excessive use of the whip both times.. That turned me off. Looked at 0 of his get. Saved me a ton of $$$..
You might want to take another look. 3 wins last night at the Red Mile and 3 seconds, including a hard closing second to Brandon Blvd in the feature.
The real story:https://www.ustrotting.com/trackside/sire_stats/stats.cfm?type=earnings&gait=P&yr=2025&age=2https://www.ustrotting.com/trackside/sire_stats/stats.cfm?type=avg&gait=P&yr=2025&age=2https://www.ustrotting.com/trackside/sire_stats/stats.cfm?type=earnings&gait=P&yr=2025&age=3https://www.ustrotting.com/trackside/sire_stats/stats.cfm?type=avg&gait=P&yr=2025&age=3Not great.
Party Girl Hill did the equivalent and then went to Lexington AND beat the colts. If TDS would have raced older horses that would have put him in the class of Party Girl Hill beating the boys.
Nijinsky will be standing in NY next year. As told by The Answer weeks ago he is injured and done racing.
legit and interesting topic, better than 99% of them on this siteas a commercial stallion he is done , none and i mean none of the mares he got in the first two years will be bred back to him some of those mares doubled down in year one and two and many were young captain mares or slightly older sbsw maresto the writers point now those mares need to make a recovery, not their fault that the tds blood added very little, they will now get bred to confederate, cannibal , huntsville, legendary hanover etc to try and get back on track but these tds foals will not regress the bred, its a blip on the radar, the 50% that are colts will be raced wherever they fit, the 50% that are females and especially the well bred ones will be given a chance to see if they can overcome tds being their sire and have their maternal lineage shine throughhaving said that if he continues to have a decent year this year and even next year at $8k stud fee he will get takers, especially those in PA sires just looking for a decent horse and have no illusions of the grand circuit etc , but the top breeders and owners of the blue blood fillies will not be going back to tdswhat will be interesting is how much does hanover continue to support tds with what quality mares they have their website only shows 9 tds foals being born in 2024 ( selling this fall) and 13 foals born in 2025 hey , it happens , not every sire is going to hit
Maybe not quite done yet per article on Standardbred Canada.
Tall Dark Stranger’s Shadow: How One Stallion’s Early Record Risks Setting Standardbred Pacing BackThe hype cycle vs. the scorecardTall Dark Stranger (Bettor’s Delight—Precocious Beauty) was an electric racehorse and a 2020 U.S. Horse of the Year. No one disputes that. But the only measure that matters to the breed is what his foals do on the track and in the breeding shed. After the early crops hit the races, the scoreboard hasn’t matched the sales-ring hype: first American crop yearlings averaged over $80,000, with 27 selling for six figures, yet the initial waves of 2-year-old performers delivered only scattered highlights and few breakout headliners relative to the hype and the mare quality he saw. HarnesslinkIn Australasia, where his oldest are just turning two, the returns have been similarly modest so far—handfuls of winners, not a takeover. Early snapshots aren’t destiny, but they matter when a stallion was priced and promoted as a generational sire. Empire StallionsEven in North America, where the book sizes and mare quality were premium from the jump, the narrative has required careful marketing spin. A 2024 Kentucky Sire Stakes win by a filly like KARMA showed he can get a quality horse—but one or two bright spots don’t offset a broader pattern of ordinary results from extraordinary opportunities. Empire StallionsThe opportunity cost of blue-chip maresThe breed advances when the very best broodmares are mated to sires that lift the average—producing durable, fast, and sound stock that stand up to stakes calendars and long campaigns. Tall Dark Stranger received that privilege. He bred large books of elite mares in 2021–2023, producing big foal crops and eye-popping yearling averages. When that pipeline yields “nice” horses instead of consistently superior ones, the loss isn’t just financial—it’s genetic opportunity cost: those same mares could have gone to stallions with stronger strike rates for top-end performers. Harnesslink+1The “blue-blood loser filly” problemHere’s the uncomfortable downstream effect: fashion drives matings. Fillies by hot, high-priced sires out of royal mares are valuable on pedigree alone. If many of those fillies underperform on the track, they still head to the broodmare band on name recognition and family—dragging their modest athletic merit into the next generation. That’s how mediocrity compounds:1. Pedigree momentum keeps them in demand despite race records.2. Breeding inertia means they’ll be bred early and often.3. Selection bias preserves the wrong traits (speed flashes without durability; pedigree over constitution).Multiply that by a few hundred mares across two or three crops and you’ve redirected thousands of matings over a decade toward average instead of excellent.Early stats: less than the marketing promisedPublic databases and farm blurbs tell part of the story. Hanover’s own page pitched Tall Dark Stranger as a top-10 three-year-old pacing sire by progeny earnings in 2025 as of June 11, which sounds impressive until you benchmark against expectations for a horse that got elite mares and elite numbers. Being “top-10” isn’t the point when you were sold as era-defining. The question is conversion rate: how many stakes horses, how many six-figure earners, how many true open-class prospects relative to book size and mare quality? (Those ratios—more than raw dollars—separate breed-shapers from passengers.) hanoverpa.comBroader USTA sire tables show he’s competitive in money lists, but not running away from contemporaries who had lower books or less gilded opportunities. That gap between promise and production is exactly what “sets the breed back”: we paid the genetic premium and didn’t collect the genetic dividend. ustrotting.com+1Why this matters for the next 10–15 years• Genetic bottlenecking. When one fashion sire hoovers up a big share of the best mares, the whole crop tilts toward his genotype. If his average runner is merely good, you’ve just flattened a generation’s ceiling.• Soundness and longevity. The breed needs horses that can race hard at two and still matter at five. If the typical foal isn’t robust (or if the sire’s get skew toward flash-in-the-pan 2-year-old speed without staying power), stakes calendars become more attritional, not more competitive.• Economics of false signals. Sales chase pedigrees. Trainers and owners chase sale-ring signals. If the signal is wrong (high price ≠ high performance), capital is misallocated, good mares get “parked” into mediocre outcomes, and programs misread what’s actually improving the athlete.The uncomfortable fix: change breeder behaviorIf you want to stop a slide before it starts, you don’t wait five crops. You correct course now:1. Mate on performance, not logo. Audit each mare’s nick outcomes and biomechanical fit with multiple sires—not just the fashionable one. Put performance ratios (stakes winners per starters; $100k earners per live foal) ahead of median yearling price.2. Penalize underperformance quickly. If a stallion’s first two racing crops underdeliver versus book quality, farms and syndicates should cut the fee, reduce the book, and allow market share to return to sires with better conversion.3. Protect the broodmare band. Don’t automatically retire underachieving fillies by brand-name sires into the broodmare pool at premium fees. Make them earn the right via durability and class, or cull ruthlessly.4. Diversify the gene pool. Use more outcross and proven “value” sires with high strike rates per opportunity. The breed gets better when more stallions get real shots and only the best rise.“But he has winners…” — separating signal from noiseEvery fashionable stallion will have winners and a few nice stakes horses. The question is relative to opportunity. Tall Dark Stranger’s supporters can point to stakes wins (e.g., KYSS) and money lists that keep him visible. That’s not the standard he was sold against. With the mare base and numbers he enjoyed, a true breed-lifter would be dominating the top end, not just holding a place on aggregate earnings lists. The early Australasian data—limited winners from a manageable starter pool—reinforces the theme: pleasant results, not paradigm-shifting. Empire Stallions+1The long tail: how a single stallion can delay progressBecause he touched so many of the best mares in a short window, his genetic “echo” will ring through yearling sales and broodmare bands for a decade. If the echo is average, you’ve muted the breed’s progress: slower stakes miles at the margins, fewer iron horses, fewer true open performers—while pedigrees still look glossy on paper. That’s the definition of setting the breed back: using up the premium ingredients without elevating the recipe.
