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WHATS THE BIGGEST SHAM IN HARNESS RACING YOU ASK????
« on: December 10, 2023, 10:46:09 PM »
Its when the president of the USTA is the direct owner of the biggest breeding monopoly in the business, the direct owner of the largest and oldest mass standardbred sale, a staunch opponent of HISA, and easy on drug abusing trainers.  WHY YOU ASK? the dug abusers bolster the sales, which equates to a former shoe manufacturers name sake farm being the leading breeder year after year after year.  WAKE UP PEOPLE the USTA IS NOT YOUR ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION, THEY ARE RUSSELL WILLIAMS ADVOCATES! Until your stop paying membership fees, and getting groped by fees. You will never sever the head of the biggest snake in the business.
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Re: WHATS THE BIGGEST SHAM IN HARNESS RACING YOU ASK????
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2023, 10:52:07 PM »
Most places you pay or no racing.

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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2023, 11:01:44 PM »
There is NO state that requires a USTA license to race.  There are many trainers and drivers that race every day that are not members of the USTA.  All you have to do is call and get a temporary number.  Don't tell me it's not possible because each state can give two shits about the USTA.

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Re: WHATS THE BIGGEST SHAM IN HARNESS RACING YOU ASK????
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2023, 12:06:12 AM »
I've long been a critic of the USTA. Long after that I had my own personal issue(s) in dealings with them. Unfortunately, the way this sport, and business, has developed, certain factions, people, and entities have become far to incestuous, political, bureaucratic, and powerful. Yes, change is needed. I believe HISA will be the catalyst for some of that change.

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Re: WHATS THE BIGGEST SHAM IN HARNESS RACING YOU ASK????
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2023, 07:52:32 AM »
TRAINER GETS A POSITIVE AND THEN LISTS SOME PERSON WHO NEEDS MONEY AS THE TRAINER. THE TRAINER NEVER MISSES A BEAT AND EVERYONE KNOWS ITS A BEARD.

SO WHATS THE PENALTY

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Re: WHATS THE BIGGEST SHAM IN HARNESS RACING YOU ASK????
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2023, 08:42:22 AM »
Locked in with Pace has the question I have been asking for years. Until they stop the horses that were drugged from racing for 30 or 60 days and not allow a trainer change so they can keep racing this issue will go on forever.

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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2023, 09:05:13 AM »
Locked in with Pace has the question I have been asking for years. Until they stop the horses that were drugged from racing for 30 or 60 days and not allow a trainer change so they can keep racing this issue will go on forever.

HERE IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION:

When a trainer and particular horse get a positive test result. The horse is on mandatory 30, 45, or 60 day suspension.  30 days in my opinion is enough for an owner to get pissed off enough to make an administrative decision that the trainer fly right or they will be moving the horse elsewhere. Regardless if the move is made within that allotted time period, the horse remains suspended until the time is up.  When you make ownership accountable, and provide owners recourse against trainers. the problems will begin to disapait overnight, or the industry will be faced with a new problem, a lack of trainers. PROBLEM SOLVED.
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Re: WHATS THE BIGGEST SHAM IN HARNESS RACING YOU ASK????
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2023, 11:14:15 AM »
WHATS THE BIGGEST SHAM IN HARNESS RACING YOU ASK???? Vet bills and Tack supplies.


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Re: WHATS THE BIGGEST SHAM IN HARNESS RACING YOU ASK????
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2023, 12:12:05 PM »
Beards, Beards Beards

Gagoots, have you ever been a beard? I know many who have come out of Orange County over the years. Seems like a hotbead for Beards.

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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2023, 12:22:23 PM »
Beards, Beards Beards

Gagoots, have you ever been a beard? I know many who have come out of Orange County over the years. Seems like a hotbead for Beards.
No never been. I kind of disagree, I think South Jersey is a hotbed for beards but I see your point.

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Re: WHATS THE BIGGEST SHAM IN HARNESS RACING YOU ASK????
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2023, 12:29:35 PM »
Good time to send in a beard application. You certainly know enough about stanardbreds to get the job

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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2023, 01:02:26 PM »
Good time to send in a beard application. You certainly know enough about stanardbreds to get the job
I wonder what they pay, I'll have to call Pelling and his crew they're professionals lol.

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Re: WHATS THE BIGGEST SHAM IN HARNESS RACING YOU ASK????
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2023, 01:26:10 PM »
HERE IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION:

When a trainer and particular horse get a positive test result. The horse is on mandatory 30, 45, or 60 day suspension.  30 days in my opinion is enough for an owner to get pissed off enough to make an administrative decision that the trainer fly right or they will be moving the horse elsewhere. Regardless if the move is made within that allotted time period, the horse remains suspended until the time is up.  When you make ownership accountable, and provide owners recourse against trainers. the problems will begin to disapait overnight, or the industry will be faced with a new problem, a lack of trainers. PROBLEM SOLVED.

AGREED, been saying this for years - many years. PARK THE HORSE.
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Re: WHATS THE BIGGEST SHAM IN HARNESS RACING YOU ASK????
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2023, 01:52:15 PM »
HERE IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION:

When a trainer and particular horse get a positive test result. The horse is on mandatory 30, 45, or 60 day suspension.  30 days in my opinion is enough for an owner to get pissed off enough to make an administrative decision that the trainer fly right or they will be moving the horse elsewhere. Regardless if the move is made within that allotted time period, the horse remains suspended until the time is up.  When you make ownership accountable, and provide owners recourse against trainers. the problems will begin to disapait overnight, or the industry will be faced with a new problem, a lack of trainers. PROBLEM SOLVED.

That is a great solution but first these positives have to be handled quickly or at least not a year or 2 of appeals. 
The feds knew there were few positives so only direction was possession or sales.. 
The labs cant (or don’t want to ) find positives.  The state commissions are dead wood. 

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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2023, 01:56:25 PM »
That is a great solution but first these positives have to be handled quickly or at least not a year or 2 of appeals. 
The feds knew there were few positives so only direction was possession or sales.. 
The labs cant (or don’t want to ) find positives.  The state commissions are dead wood.

Then the solution should remain if a horse test positive its suspended, regardless of the appeal process. If a trainer becomes subject to devaluing an owners asset, then NOW there is skin in the game for a trainer to fly above board.

Agreed the racing commissions are pencil pushers waiting for retirement benny's But you make them police situations like a traffic cop. The more tickets he rights, the more revenue the states receive in fines.  The propblem is an easier fix than the old guard wants to partake.
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