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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: GlenMidby on February 25, 2023, 10:57:30 AM
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I don't understand why MGM felt the need to rebrand the series with a new name, but that is not why I started this thread.
George Morton Levy will always have a special place in my heart as the man who founded Roosevelt Raceway in Westbury, NY. As a kid and in my formative years as a fan, Yonkers and Roosevelt Raceway were the spots within my public transportation reach. No offense, MGM, but I refuse to call it the "MGM Borgata Pacing Series".
The five $50,000 preliminary leg Open FFA Pacing Series followed by a (an estimated, methinks overly optimistic) $1,500,000 final, remains IMO one of the most exciting spectacles in Harness Racing.
Nominations allegedly closed on February 15, but I have yet to see a current list of eligible horses (the MGM website is terrible).
The first preliminary leg is scheduled for Monday, March 20, 2023.
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George Morton Levy was famous for eliminating heat racing and they named a series after him that goes 2 months. 73cv.2
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I don't disagree that both George Morton Levy and Roosevelt Raceway had its share of detractors and controversies, but IMO the man did much more good for the sport than bad. My emotional ties to Roosevelt are rooted in the memories of an impressionable kid at the races. There were a lot more fans at the races in those days; the hot dogs were affordable, too.
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Don't forget the hot pretzels that were sold after the races outside the exit gate!
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I don't disagree that both George Morton Levy and Roosevelt Raceway had its share of detractors and controversies, but IMO the man did much more good for the sport than bad. My emotional ties to Roosevelt are rooted in the memories of an impressionable kid at the races. There were a lot more fans at the races in those days; the hot dogs were affordable, too.
it's 2023.. time to move on.. GML is a forgotten name amongst younger people and no one gives a crap about 50 years ago.. If you crave an affordable hot dog just go to Costco for $1.50
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George Morton Levy was famous for eliminating heat racing and they named a series after him that goes 2 months. 73cv.2
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I don't understand why MGM felt the need to rebrand the series with a new name, but that is not why I started this thread.
George Morton Levy will always have a special place in my heart as the man who founded Roosevelt Raceway in Westbury, NY. As a kid and in my formative years as a fan, Yonkers and Roosevelt Raceway were the spots within my public transportation reach. No offense, MGM, but I refuse to call it the "MGM Borgata Pacing Series".
The five $50,000 preliminary leg Open FFA Pacing Series followed by a (an estimated, methinks overly optimistic) $1,500,000 final, remains IMO one of the most exciting spectacles in Harness Racing.
Nominations allegedly closed on February 15, but I have yet to see a current list of eligible horses (the MGM website is terrible).
The first preliminary leg is scheduled for Monday, March 20, 2023.
If you think this is an "exciting spectacle", you need to read a dictionary.
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They definitely draw some nice horses , but 1/2 mile tracks are just not as exciting at least for me.
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Wow, thanks for the warm welcome! I didn’t see that coming.
I’m looking forward to the series!
YR has two $36,000 opens scheduled for Monday. An early opportunity to get a look at some series hopefuls.
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Don't forget the hot pretzels that were sold after the races outside the exit gate!
AND, the guy selling balloons and yelling “Don’t forget the kids at home”
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Did he really use all 3 names?
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He had to emphasize his ethnicity.
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love the concept of multiple legs and the final
looks like the final goes for much less than prior years
gives those top end horses a good 6 weeks of racing
too bad the big m doesn't do it
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love the concept of multiple legs and the final
looks like the final goes for much less than prior years
gives those top end horses a good 6 weeks of racing
too bad the big m doesn't do it
If Gural & The midget had a horse for that type of series I’m sure The Big M would have a series and the barns with better horse wouldn’t be allowed to participate.
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If Gural & The midget had a horse for that type of series I’m sure The Big M would have a series and the barns with better horse wouldn’t be allowed to participate.
When talking about it publicly, Gural used to pretend to not know the name of these series in a low class move to discredit them
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When talking about it publicly, Gural used to pretend to not know the name of these series in a low class move to discredit them
He’s really low class garbage. A lousy hypocrite.
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AND, the guy selling balloons and yelling “Don’t forget the kids at home”
"one for a quarter, 5 for a dollar!!!"
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Don't forget the hot pretzels that were sold after the races outside the exit gate!
I used to stay in the game room an hour after the races and took home the leftover pretzels in a box outside the hut
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The five $50,000 preliminary leg Open FFA Pacing Series followed by a (an estimated, methinks overly optimistic) $1,500,000 final, remains IMO one of the most exciting spectacles in Harness Racing.
final $200,000
https://empirecitycasino.mgmresorts.com/content/dam/MGM/empire-city-casino/racing/pdfs/stakes-races/empire-city-casino-2023-mgm-borgata-pacing-series-nomination.pdf
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i think it went for $500k in 2022
where all the money go ??
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i think it went for $500k in 2022
where all the money go ??
Ukraine
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Too much emphasis on history to draw any attention. Get Apple to throw in $100,000 and call it the. iphone 15….
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The emphasis is where it should be. Nice horses racing for $50,000 for five weeks, followed by a $200,000 final and a $100,000 consolation for the top 16 entrants decided by the total points accumulated in the five prelims. That multi entrant one interest tag teaming is prohibited in both races is a bonus.
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That purse for the finals is terrible. Make the elims worth less or something. The finals of a series that takes that long should be 400-500k!
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The final is 200K added. Isn't that added to starting & declaration fees?
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Welcome GlenMidby, got my intro to harness racing at Roosevelt in the early 70's. Free entry for the 8th. IMHO, 1/2 or not, best racing night after night thanks to a deep driver's colony, Faraldo excluded. A young Howard Oil was honing his skills.
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The final is 200K added. Isn't that added to starting & declaration fees?
That's correct.
The 2022 (last year's) final went for $549,000; with a $100,000 consolation and one more $50,000 race for horses that were eligible to the series.
Last year's edition was just a GREAT horse race and a tough beat for Leonidas A who was out and rolling before the half, only to be followed by the race winner Funatthebeach N in 1:50.1. A most gracious winning driver, Jordan Stratton, following the race:
"That's really his bread-and-butter, that kind of trip right there," said Stratton, who stuck with Funatthebeach N over his brother Cory's horse Pat Stanley N before the last preliminary round after he showed the ability to rally past Nandolo N to win in the third leg. "In the Open prior to this series, we were trying to make him do a little more work than he's accustomed to, coming from the outside and being first-over, but that's just not his game. When he gets towed in second-over and fans wide off the last turn, he puts in a really good effort.
"There were no slouches in the race at all, but I was definitely happy to see the half in 53. Even halfway down the stretch, I didn't know if I was going to stay by Leonidas A once I got by him. He's such a tough horse. Year-in and year-out he shows up. I feel bad that he didn't earn the win, but I'm happy I got it."
I tried to post a link directly to that race's replay, but Roberts Communication Network blocked it.
Instead, go here; https://empirecitycasino.mgmresorts.com/en/racing/watch-races-online.html
Scroll down and click View Race Replays - reset the calendar to Apr 2022 - click on April 25, and select race 8.
In my opinion, just a great horse race!
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they dont give a shit about racing or its history and just want to promote their brand before killing off yonkers raceway ----obviously
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2 warmup race's tonight
RACE 5 - Yonkers Raceway - NY - February 27, 2023
Conditions: OPEN
Gait: PacePurse: 36,000Class: OPEN HDPDistance: 1 MilePost Time: 8:20 PM
Pick 5 (5-9) $10K Submit
PP Horse Med 2023 North America YTD Driver Trainer ML Claim
Equip Sts W P S Time Earnings Stable Odds Price
1 Bee Two Bee L 1 0 0 1 Q1:52.0M $2316 George Brennan Ron Burke 9-2
2 Lou`s Sweetrevenge L 1 0 0 1 - $4800 Braxten Boyd Andrew Adamczyk 7-1
3 Jahan Hanover L 5 3 1 0 1:52.3H $35800 Yannick Gingras Per Engblom 6-1
4 Covered Bridge L 5 2 0 2 1:51.4H $34860 Jordan Stratton Jeffrey Gillis 4-1
5 The Ideal Dancer A L 5 2 2 0 1:52.1H $44050 Jason Bartlett Andrew Harris 9-2
6 Priceless Beach L 2 0 1 1 - $11100 Matt Kakaley Jared Bako 7-1
7 Nicholas Beach L 3 1 0 1 1:49.0M $14800 Joe Bongiorno Jennifer Bongiorno 7-1
8 Lochinvar Art A L 2 2 0 0 1:50.1M $28750 Lauren Tritton Shane Tritton 6-1
RACE 8 - Yonkers Raceway - NY - February 27, 2023
Conditions: OPEN
Gait: PacePurse: 36,000Class: OPEN HDPDistance: 1 MilePost Time: 9:20 PM
Submit
PP Horse Med 2023 North America YTD Driver Trainer ML Claim
Equip Sts W P S Time Earnings Stable Odds Price
1 Oakwoodnitownit Ir L 3 0 2 0 Q1:53.3H $20880 Joe Bongiorno Jared Bako 7-1
2 Nandolo N L 4 2 1 0 1:48.3M $47050 Jason Bartlett Shane Tritton 3-1
3 Leonidas A L 1 0 0 1 Q1:56.2H $4320 Austin Siegelman Matthew Medeiros 6-1
4 Semi Tough L 5 2 0 2 1:52.3H $48460 Yannick Gingras Ron Burke 7-2
5 Backstreet Shadow L 6 2 0 2 1:50.4F $36850 Matt Kakaley Travis Alexander 9-2
6 Idealsomemagic A 6 5 0 0 1:52.0H $48125 George Brennan Cory Stratton 6-1
7 Funatthebeach N L 5 4 0 0 1:52.2H $57500 Jordan Stratton Jeffrey Gillis 5-1
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I see BACKSTREET SHADOW goes from Jim King to Alexander's barn, one crook to the next!
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6 Priceless Beach L 2 0 1 1 - $11100 Matt Kakaley Jared Bako 7-1
Paid 30-1
Wild Snow storm in the 8th race track was still fast
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Yes, I concur; Tritton's Lochinvar Art A was impressive last night; Lauren Tritton was along for the ride. With a lifetime record of now 59 starts (only 3 in the U.S.) 31 1st's; 16 2nd's; and 6 3rd's, with well over $1,051,318 banked in mostly down under cash, this animal comes in with sky high expectations.
Team Tritton is poised to have a profitable series with five open draw $50,000 prelims where their (at least) three likely entrants won't have to face each other until the consolation and/or the final. In addition to Lochinvar Art A, there's AnothrmastrpieceN and Nandolo N, the latter two piloted by YR's leading driver, Jason Bartlett.
Nandolo N is no slouch either, he has already put up the fastest 2023 mile in the sport (1:48.3, the 52.4 half set up helped bigly); and he gets around the 1/2 just fine.
Funatthebeach N and Leonidas A (last year's final 1,2) will likely be heard from as well. The draws are always important and what will be interesting to see is if Lochinvar Art A is pitted against Leonidas in any of the early prelims where points will be a premium. The ideal scenario is accumulating sufficient points early enough to make the final, and then skipping the last prelim.
For my money, this FFA series continues to be the best Harness Racing has to offer.
Now, if only YR would get around to posting the list of eligible thus far; noms closed on Feb 15. ::)
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who is the midget?
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Real racing resumes next Monday night at YR; four Borgata (Levy) divisions going for $50,000.
The full fields with listed drivers and trainers.
Division 1 - Race 3
1-Soaring Now (Andy McCarthy/Noel Daley)
2-Bad Tothe Bone N (Jason Bartlett/Hunter Oakes)
3-Rockin Withelvis A (Yannick Gingras/Jared Bako)
4-Casual Cool (Dexter Dunn/Daniel Renaud)
5-Lochinvar Art A (Lauren Tritton/Shane Tritton)
6-Dean B Hanover (Jordan Stratton/Jeff Gillis)
7-Jack's Legend N (Matt Kakaley/Travis Alexander)
8-Bee Two Bee (Yannick Gingras/Ron Burke)
Division 2 - Race 4
1-Hellabalou (Yannick Gingras/Ron Burke)
2-Jimmy Freight (Scott Zeron/Brett Pelling)
3-Diamondbeach (Braxten Boyd/Ricky Bucci)
4-Belmont Royale N (David Miller/Nifty Norman)
5-Backstreet Shadow (Matt Kakaley/Travis Alexander)
6-Oakwoodnittowinit IR (Scott Zeron/Jared Bako)
7-Anothrmastrpiece N (Jason Bartlett/Shane Tritton)
8-The Ideal Dancer N (Andy McCarthy/Andrew Harris)
Division 3 - Race 6
1-Priceless Beach (Matt Kakaley/Jared Bako)
2-Im Sir Blake A (Marcus Miller/Marvin Aguilar)
3-None Bettor A (Matt Kakaley/Travis Alexander)
4-Tattoo Artist (Dexter Dunn/Chris Ryder)
5-Funatthebeach N (Jordan Stratton/Jeff Gillis)
6-American Dealer N (Joe Bongiorno/Linda Toscano)
7-Leonidas A (Austin Siegelman/Matthew Medeiros)
8-This Is The Plan (Yannick Gingras/Ron Burke)
Division 4 - Race 9
1-Burnham Boy N (Dexter Dunn/Chris Ryder)
2-American Courage (Matt Kakaley/Travis Alexander)
3-Semi Tough (Yannick Gingras/Ron Burke)
4-Nandolo N (Jason Bartlett/Shane Tritton)
5-Idealsomemagic A (Jordan Stratton/Cory Stratton)
6-Hemsworth N (Matt Kakaley/Jared Bako)
7-Covered Bridge (Jordan Stratton/Jeff Gillis)
8-Undrthsouthrnsun N (Joe Bongiorno/Jenn Bongiorno)
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I don't understand why MGM felt the need to rebrand the series with a new name, but that is not why I started this thread.
George Morton Levy will always have a special place in my heart as the man who founded Roosevelt Raceway in Westbury, NY. As a kid and in my formative years as a fan, Yonkers and Roosevelt Raceway were the spots within my public transportation reach. No offense, MGM, but I refuse to call it the "MGM Borgata Pacing Series".
The five $50,000 preliminary leg Open FFA Pacing Series followed by a (an estimated, methinks overly optimistic) $1,500,000 final, remains IMO one of the most exciting spectacles in Harness Racing.
Nominations allegedly closed on February 15, but I have yet to see a current list of eligible horses (the MGM website is terrible).
The first preliminary leg is scheduled for Monday, March 20, 2023.
Sorry but that Levy name sounds like a Jew name so we have to eliminate the racist and thieving old Jews who ruined our country. Congratulations to Yonkers raceway for finally doing something right. These Jews must go. Just like the black people eliminated and memories and statues of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Christopher Columbus, we too must get rid of the poisonous Jewish dictators and try to forget about all of the greedy Jewish fuckwads. As a matter of fact, as a fellow American we need to vilify and commend Adolph Hitler and the Holocaust as a needed start to the elimination of the Jewish population. I don’t want to get started but the Jews ruined this once great country and I hope that one day our government will honor the legacy Of Adolph Hitler thru a federal holiday as our other great leaders and forefathers.
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Sorry but that Levy name sounds like a Jew name so we have to eliminate the racist and thieving old Jews who ruined our country. Congratulations to Yonkers raceway for finally doing something right. These Jews must go. Just like the black people eliminated and memories and statues of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Christopher Columbus, we too must get rid of the poisonous Jewish dictators and try to forget about all of the greedy Jewish fuckwads. As a matter of fact, as a fellow American we need to vilify and commend Adolph Hitler and the Holocaust as a needed start to the elimination of the Jewish population. I don’t want to get started but the Jews ruined this once great country and I hope that one day our government will honor the legacy Of Adolph Hitler thru a federal holiday as our other great leaders and forefathers.
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HEY DUDE YOU EVER THINK ABOUT GETTING MENTAL HELP? SERIOUSLY DUDE YOUR ONE SICK PUPPY. AND ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY ANYMORE WITH HOW MUCH HATE YOU HAVE IN YOUR BODY. PSYCHOPATH
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HEY DUDE YOU EVER THINK ABOUT GETTING MENTAL HELP? SERIOUSLY DUDE YOUR ONE SICK PUPPY. AND ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY ANYMORE WITH HOW MUCH HATE YOU HAVE IN YOUR BODY. PSYCHOPATH
I think he's just trying to get a reaction out of people. But I agree, enough is enough!
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Why is it when there are multiple heats and trainers with multiple entries that the entries get placed into separate heats? Why not random draw and let the chips fall where they may?
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Why is it when there are multiple heats and trainers with multiple entries that the entries get placed into separate heats? Why not random draw and let the chips fall where they may?
Uh, maybe to prevent the tag-team shenanigans we often see when Burke has 3 and 4 in the same race at the BigM?
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Lochinvar Art A may yet prove to be the best of all in the series, but last night's effort certainly wasn't anything special. Conversely, the two standout elimination winners were Leonidas A and Idealsomemagic A, both impressive winners against the front end bias that prevailed in 7 out of 12 races on the card; the former doing it in by far the toughest division.
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The most impressive horse was Backstreet Shadow.
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The most impressive horse was Backstreet Shadow.
A big effort for sure. Noteworthy in that too, was against the bias.
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Tetrick was shut out this year in both series for the first time I can remember with no drives in either group for the older colts or mares.
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Back to some real racing tonight at YR.
Too bad that lousy weather looks likely.
I'll be looking to use the two that raced huge against the bias last week; BACKSTREET SHADOW in the 5th and IDEALSOMEMAGIC A in the 7th. The latter flew home in 26.4 a week ago, and there is a ton of speed in that division tonight. LEONIDAS A (rightfully) will be the horse to beat, but IDEALSOMEMAGIC A should be the very capable value in there.
Meanwhile (surprise!), LOCHINVAR ART A landed in the softest division, again. If they allow em to walk to the half in 57.2 like last week, the result will be the same. NONE BETTOR A should be much better in his 2nd start of the year, he has speed (and is inside of Tritton) so I expect Kakaley will be hustling em off the gate, and will get away no worse than 2nd. He CAN win.
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https://irp.cdn-website.com/aea0ab75/files/uploaded/03272023-RP.pdf
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It will be interesting to see who if anyone passes on an elim.after early rounds success!
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Of course they will
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Ideally, accumulating enough points to make the final, and then skipping the last elim.
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I think None Better is the play here. With Bee to Bee and Loch.
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Ouch. lol
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Very impressive.
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Very impressive.
Yes it was.
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I'm alive in the Pick 4 with BALLERAT BOOMERANG and THRASHER. The latter raced big from the 8 hole last week. But you can make a case for 4 or 5 of em in there. I need a little luck, methinks.
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She drove him perfectly tonight. Didn't use him at all and a little sprint to the wire. Made if look like a training mile! tmbz1
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Jimmy Freight charted as being inside a pylon in the stretch while on the lead and nothing happens? Didn't change the outcome, but shouldn't a rule be a rule? Do they bump him down if he wins by a nose?
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Let's be correct, he went inside the final 3 pylons.
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Would the judges have acted differently if Jimmy Freight was 10-1 and had NOT been a leg 1 single on countless Pick-5 tickets?
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Matt Kakaley (Hemsworth N) schooled Lauren Tritton (Lochinvar Art A) in American 1/2 Mile Racing 101. Never let a pocket sitter beat you in the lane coming up the rail. If Lochinvar Art A doesn't drift out (providing Hemsworth N room) he wins.
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I thought Lochinvar Art looked terrible tonight. No burst from the gate and Lauren didn't do him any favors. Should have tucked into the 3-hole. Just didn't look the same tonight. Is this series now wide open or just an off night?
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I thought Lochinvar Art looked terrible tonight. No burst from the gate and Lauren didn't do him any favors. Should have tucked into the 3-hole. Just didn't look the same tonight. Is this series now wide open or just an off night?
I agree. Should have took the tuck in the 3 hole, and then sat as long as possible for that one brush. But even with her bad decision to head to the front, if the horse doesn't drift out, he wins despite the drive. I'm not sure what "burst from the gate" you are talking about, in the two times the horse left and made the lead at YR, it was following 28.4 and 28.3 opening panels; that's nothing special. Quite ordinary, actually.
Now that Tattoo Artist has returned to his beaten over-bet favorite ways, "Tattoo Artist has dropped anchor" was the call, I do think it's a wide open series. Leonidas was the other disappointment, and Funatthebeach N continues to get no respect on the tote board.
The Stratton boys' Idealsomemagic A has won on the front, and off the pace, against the bias both times. Could the one time not to long ago NW5000 overnight horse be the series sensation?
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When you drive only one way on the frontend it's not going to set up the way you want all the time. Kakaley stretched her out pretty good and the inexperience showed. That hole was big enough to dive into but that horse was wasn't going in there. Yes, if she doesn't drift she win but the other divisions where better tonight.
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Prior to the beginning of the series ,it was stated that they knew a catch driver from Yonkers would drive the horse due to different racing style there. Deviation from the plan cost them another win tonight!
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Matt Kakaley (Hemsworth N) schooled Lauren Tritton (Lochinvar Art A) in American 1/2 Mile Racing 101. Never let a pocket sitter beat you in the lane coming up the rail. If Lochinvar Art A doesn't drift out (providing Hemsworth N room) he wins.
She put the horse in a position to win off a very soft middle half. The horse wasn't good enough....that simple.
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did zero wrong ZERO just got beat fair n square .. horse is not some SUPER STAR .. A VERY VERY VERY GOOD HORSE.. WHO WILL WIN LOTS OF TIMES BUT ... will also lose..3 WORDS.. LET IT RIDE
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did zero wrong ZERO just got beat fair n square .. horse is not some SUPER STAR .. A VERY VERY VERY GOOD HORSE.. WHO WILL WIN LOTS OF TIMES BUT ... will also lose..3 WORDS.. LET IT RIDE
tmbz1
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Word on FB was that Lochinvar Art had scoped sick, being treated and skipping the next leg and racing in the last leg.
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There are too many legs for this series. Three plus a final would be enough. It is down to 20 horses for the 4th leg.
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Word on FB was that Lochinvar Art had scoped sick, being treated and skipping the next leg and racing in the last leg.
Sick horses rarely close in 28:0 flat and go in 1:52:1 on a half mile. These trainers always need a reason why a 1/5 shot gets beat. Horse tired and needed a rest like most NZ horses that come here and try to race weekly.
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Lochinvar Art is not in this week. The horse may ultimately win the series, but to win the final (no matter where he draws) he will have to race every step of the mile. Is he the kind of horse that can endure sustained pressure by other good ones? We'll see. I also believe that Shane Tritton would be wise to list Jason Bartlett (who already drives much of his stock) for the final. While Lauren may be capable on paper, Bartlett is a proven commodity (and respected by the others) on the Yonkers oval.
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Don't forget the hot pretzels that were sold after the races outside the exit gate!
AND, the guy selling balloons and yelling “Don’t forget the kids at home”
His Phrase was "Blow your brains out" !!!!
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AND, the guy selling balloons and yelling “Don’t forget the kids at home”
His Phrase was "Blow your brains out" !!!!
"one for a quarter, 5 for a dollar!!!"
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If betting on the Borgata tonight is in your plans, I suggest that you print out a copy of the point standings through leg 3, and update accordingly (after race 3, 6 and eight) as each 4th leg division goes final. That information may help when making decisions about betting each division.
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How good was BACKSTREET SHADOW tonight? Went by JIMMY FREIGHT easy and made that mile look easy. Very impressive.
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How good was BACKSTREET SHADOW tonight? Went by JIMMY FREIGHT easy and made that mile look easy. Very impressive.
1:49.3 on the half? Yep, VERY impressive. 54.1 back half on the board. Big mile.
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How about fun at the beach there. Stratton had the 9 yr old out from before the half to the wire. Thats a long way parked for a nine yr old with a pretty nice horse on the inside. Remarkable endurance.
Gillis horses at times can run HUGE. If everything was equal, id shade fun at the beach in the final thinking the old guy had been first over in 2 huge miles and might have a partially empty tank but maybe the tank will be replenished somehow lol.
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Lol. Covered bridge (another gillis trainee) took more $ than expected there and ran a big race too. Prolly a lot of hard work that went into win; and the lazy trainers got what they deserved!
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With Backstreet Shadow (equaling the track record in 1:49.3), Funatthebeach N (1:50.1) and now the clearly well meant Covered Bridge (1:50.2) all demonstrating the ability to overpower legit rivals in 54 second back half's, if it wasn't perfectly clear before, it IS now. This series is WIDE-OPEN! As I said earlier, for my money, this FFA Pacing series continues to be the best Harness Racing has to offer.
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Alexander must be using something. Backstreet Shadow was never this good when Burkes had him. Looks like a different horse at 9 yrs old.
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Looking forward to final. Not a huge 1/2 mile fan but will be a fun win betting race. All of backstreets races in series have been sharp so i guess he'll be favorite but some nice hardknockers in there. Ill have to get at least 5-1 on my bet so i wont know where my $ going till draw.
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Looking forward to final. Not a huge 1/2 mile fan but will be a fun win betting race. All of backstreets races in series have been sharp so i guess he'll be favorite but some nice hardknockers in there. Ill have to get at least 5-1 on my bet so i wont know where my $ going till draw.
I love hard knockers.
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The final will be a zoom fest. Lochivar will be toast if he draws outside!
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The final will be a zoom fest. Lochivar will be toast if he draws outside!
I'm pretty sure most horses will not relish an outside post. Incredibly redundant observation.
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Looking forward to final. Not a huge 1/2 mile fan but will be a fun win betting race. All of backstreets races in series have been sharp so i guess he'll be favorite but some nice hardknockers in there. Ill have to get at least 5-1 on my bet so i wont know where my $ going till draw.
This game has turned into a chemistry contest ! Horses no longer digress after 4 or 5. It's not an extra mile a day jogging or training variations, it a tube or a poke. Quarantine the field for a couple days and watch what happens!
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The final will be a zoom fest. Lochivar will be toast if he draws outside!
I beg to differ; sort of. While generally speaking, in most scenarios drawing the 7 or 8 hole at YR is fatal. But in a lucrative final like the Borgata, you are all but certain to see speed (lots of it) early and often, movement and action throughout which generally sets up nicely for those in the outer flow.
Look no further than last years final (26.3-53.4-121.4-150.1) where Leonidas came from far back to be first up (3 deep on the backside) towing the eventual winner Funatthebeach into the race and to the win. Meanwhile, perennial over-bet money burner Tattoo Artist (Dunn), who drew the rail, sat in, and was lucky to hang on for 4th money.
To watch last year's final, go to the replay link on the YR website here: https://empirecitycasino.mgmresorts.com/en/racing/watch-races-online.html
Reset the replay calendar to April 2022; it was race 8 on Monday April 25, 2022. It was a great horse race.
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Final leg tonight. Here's the points info for the final. First division Lochinvar Art is in as long as he is not scratched, no one else has a chance. Second division has the top four points earners Idealsomemagic, Jimmy Freight, Backstreet Shadow and Funonthebeach. They are all in no matter what and just have to race to stay tight tonight. Jimmy Freight will probably go off odds on as he got the rail. The third division has all the drama. Its a bit complicated but basically its like this. Hellabaloo is in unless he is scratched. The final two spots depend on the following. Hemsworth and None Bettor have to win to get in, no other way for them. If Tattoo Artist wins he's in, if he comes in 2nd he can still get in depending where Leonidas and Covered Bridge finish. If Leonidas beats Covered Bridge or finishes 1st or 2nd he's in. If Covered Bridge finishes 1st or 2nd he's in, but I wonder if Ford and Gillis would rather have him in the Consolation since he's their #2 horse, as Alexander seems to have done by not entering American Courage tonight. He had enough points to get in with a good finish tonight.
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This Is The Plan, Race 3, #6. Sticking with him. Could of left last week and was super charged but Gingras pulled him back and decided against. Last year running with the likes of Bulldog, and TITP had more than his share of bad racing luck and an off drive at times then. Super talented, one of the fastest horses ever, maybe needs the mile track to fully extend to his potential, but I'm sticking with him. Send him Yannick! ;D
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Can definitely line up with Lochinvar Art and sprint home for the win. I doubt they will over exert LA this week with a spot in the final locked up. TITP could win tonight. I'd need 5-1 or better to try him.
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Can definitely line up with Lochinvar Art and sprint home for the win. I doubt they will over exert LA this week with a spot in the final locked up. TITP could win tonight. I'd need 5-1 or better to try him.
Who says the 1 has to be there at all. Best strategy for the 1 zing out there in 12 seconds for the first 1/8 and secure a top or pocket position in 28 for the first quarter. The way I see the race, TITH plan leaves, Lochinvar Art A ends up sitting an open pocket because he punched his final ticket into the final, no enthusiasm to chase TITH plan who wins in 150 3/5 or 4/5 w2w, and 2,3,4,5 flying for the rest. Lochinvar Art A could still run a 151 and change mile and finish 6th.
Is their money to be made here? 6/2345, I think so. ;D
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This is the Plan is a logical choice and I think he will be 2nd favorite.
Art will take too much money and he is not really even a wicked gate speed horse and only needs to show up to be in the final.
All of his best performances down under before his leg injuries were 1st over. He would beat up on weaker with front running scores but in most of the Grade 1s he did not have the gate speed of a lot of his competitors and would win 1st over. He even won a 1 mile and 5/8th grade one race parked the entire trip with more than the last mile in the deathseat and he still drew away late.
If anybody's interested here is a link to all of Lochinvar Arts races down under
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=804572
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Dunn will be all systems go tonight with Tattoo Artist, they won't catch him.
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Dunn will be all systems go tonight with Tattoo Artist, they won't catch him.
He will puke in the lane yet again. Something isn't right with him.
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He won after the first time he puked and burned a bunch of bettors money at 1/5. He does have to try here and I'm sure they wouldn't race him if he was that bad. Long season and no reason to burn him up now if he's unsound. His last race was fine, he didn't try and still finished in 27.2 race timed in 50.3. I wouldn't count him out tonight especially as he has to win or finish 2nd to have a chance for the big money next week.
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This is the Plan is a logical choice and I think he will be 2nd favorite.
Art will take too much money and he is not really even a wicked gate speed horse and only needs to show up to be in the final.
All of his best performances down under before his leg injuries were 1st over. He would beat up on weaker with front running scores but in most of the Grade 1s he did not have the gate speed of a lot of his competitors and would win 1st over. He even won a 1 mile and 5/8th grade one race parked the entire trip with more than the last mile in the deathseat and he still drew away late.
If anybody's interested here is a link to all of Lochinvar Arts races down under
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/horse-search/?horseId=804572
Great website, Thanks bro!
I'm all over the 6/2345 in Yonkers 3rd but also a slight hedge on the 2345 superfecta. 6 horse field and I smell value, could turn out to be plop though. ngc3
You see working together here at "college" we put all our heads together, despite who everyone thinks resides in them, no matter, and we make way better than an ass combined. Good luck tonight, I'm only down on the 3rd at Yonkers and 12th at Mohawk with #1, and like some other long too there with the 5 and 10. ;D
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Jimmy is scratched. Opens up a little.
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Who says the 1 has to be there at all. Best strategy for the 1 zing out there in 12 seconds for the first 1/8 and secure a top or pocket position in 28 for the first quarter. The way I see the race, TITH plan leaves, Lochinvar Art A ends up sitting an open pocket because he punched his final ticket into the final, no enthusiasm to chase TITH plan who wins in 150 3/5 or 4/5 w2w, and 2,3,4,5 flying for the rest. Lochinvar Art A could still run a 151 and change mile and finish 6th.
Is their money to be made here? 6/2345, I think so. ;D
Redeemed myself on that one called it and entire race call just about - 150 4/5, w2w, win and exacta and lost not a dime on the 1. This Is The Plan - He's Back! ;D
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Lochinvar will be a long shot from any post in the final, even more so if Tritton is in the bike. The horse cannot get off the gate, has no brush ability and only won the early legs in weaker divisions and slower times. Completely exposed tonight at a ridiculous short price. If they want any hope next week Bartlett should be taking the seat.
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You are probably right that he will not do well in the final but Lauren has nothing to do with it.
He never had gate speed but does have a wicked brush when right
The horse is on the comeback trail after leg injuries. He never even won a race in Australia after his injuries which forced him to miss a year and have limited races when he came back. He was brought over here because he bled and the owner didn't want him to just be an overnighter and here he can use Lasix.
Yes the horse is overhyped just like Lazarus was ... same situation ... not the same champion horse after the injuries.
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Lochinvar will be a long shot from any post in the final, even more so if Tritton is in the bike. The horse cannot get off the gate, has no brush ability and only won the early legs in weaker divisions and slower times. Completely exposed tonight at a ridiculous short price. If they want any hope next week Bartlett should be taking the seat.
I look forward to handicapping that race, they want to breed that thing too, maybe geldings have an edge there as well. I'll keep an open mind but, TITP, has rounded into form. It'll take a sub 150 to win and this thing can do it from a trip, an inside post (maybe Burke will palm the 1 in the draw, do they still do that? ngc3), and get another 1.5 seconds better than offing the whole mile on his own. It's old news, 2 yrs ago but a 147 3/5 on a 1/2 mile this mofo has done and it's as great as Bulldog's world record on a mile oval! ;D
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TITP needed that win to make it into the $100,000 consolation. I don't think he can make it into the final no matter what happens the rest of the night.
In race 6, the 4,6, and 7 are in the final no matter what. I think Ray's Splash Brother (apparently he is eligible) leaves and sits a trip, with the only one's capable of coming to get him (4, 6 and 7) not needing to be 1st or 2nd.
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This is the Plan is not eligible for the final no matter what. I gave all of the point information on an earlier page of this thread. It doesn't matter what happens in the next race the final two spots will be decided in the last race where five of the horses have a chance and Hellabaloo is already in no matter where he finishes.
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TITP needed that win to make it into the $100,000 consolation. I don't think he can make it into the final no matter what happens the rest of the night.
In race 6, the 4,6, and 7 are in the final no matter what. I think Ray's Splash Brother (apparently he is eligible) leaves and sits a trip, with the only one's capable of coming to get him (4, 6 and 7) not needing to be 1st or 2nd.
That may entirely true, I haven't been following that, and if you look in the thoroughbred forum, I did do that on the last race prep race for the derby. I should keep better track of that, it effects strategies and what some members here said to that these legs should be non-betting has some weight. I need another couple of hours a day invested, ya know it's gotta happen.
Again, last year TITP had some very bad luck, some driver error too running against the best. He got jerked off quite a bit and finally when spots opened he didn't know if he was coming or going. I want to see TITP on a mile, freshened up and see if he could pull off a great campaign at 8. tmbz1
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This is the Plan is not eligible for the final no matter what. I gave all of the point information on an earlier page of this thread. It doesn't matter what happens in the next race the final two spots will be decided in the last race where five of the horses have a chance and Hellabaloo is already in no matter where he finishes.
You did some great work there Thorn, copied and pasted below here too is what you said. Thanks. tmbz1
"Final leg tonight. Here's the points info for the final. First division Lochinvar Art is in as long as he is not scratched, no one else has a chance. Second division has the top four points earners Idealsomemagic, Jimmy Freight, Backstreet Shadow and Funonthebeach. They are all in no matter what and just have to race to stay tight tonight. Jimmy Freight will probably go off odds on as he got the rail. The third division has all the drama. Its a bit complicated but basically its like this. Hellabaloo is in unless he is scratched. The final two spots depend on the following. Hemsworth and None Bettor have to win to get in, no other way for them. If Tattoo Artist wins he's in, if he comes in 2nd he can still get in depending where Leonidas and Covered Bridge finish. If Leonidas beats Covered Bridge or finishes 1st or 2nd he's in. If Covered Bridge finishes 1st or 2nd he's in, but I wonder if Ford and Gillis would rather have him in the Consolation since he's their #2 horse, as Alexander seems to have done by not entering American Courage tonight. He had enough points to get in with a good finish tonight."
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Thanks but you're word vomiting again. ;D ... and by the way we don't redboard on this forum but we will pass on that as you are new.
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Thanks but you're word vomiting again. ;D ... and by the way we don't redboard on this forum but we will pass on that as you are new.
I'll never tout, mention a like on a horse again without what I did, which was in this case throw the 1/2 chalk out, picked my horse, what it will do "w2w", and the exact predicted time of finish down to 1/5 of a second in 2 options, and all was done hours before the race - and it ain't redboarding. ;D
Reboarding - A mildly derogatory phrase used to describe someone who claims to have selected the winner, but always after the race.
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Technically true but bragging about a win is treated that way around here as is the word banned (banded). We all knew you picked him ... let others congratulate you, No matter ... great choice and win.
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Technically true but bragging about a win is treated that way around here as is the word banned (banded). We all knew you picked him ... let others congratulate you, No matter ... great choice and win.
It's not about bragging, believe me my ass is hanging out their since Saturday with predictions, it brings up a good point, **from now on** I put it all up including the entire race call and finish, time, prediction in advance as a package OR nothing at all. I think that standard takes balls. I was more happy with predicting the exact race time than saying I had the winning horse (and all my supers lost btw), but money pays the bills, and lately offsets Saturday's losses. ;D
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I'll never tout, mention a like on a horse again without what I did, which was in this case throw the 1/2 chalk out, picked my horse, what it will do "w2w", and the exact predicted time of finish down to 1/5 of a second in 2 options, and all was done hours before the race - and it ain't redboarding. ;D
Reboarding - A mildly derogatory phrase used to describe someone who claims to have selected the winner, but always after the race.
Congrats on what I hope was a good score. You called it early on and won for fun at an overlay. As for redboarding, this site has been full of that for many years and loaded with degenerate bustouts throwing around false info and derogatory bullshit. Just look at the SCM threads.... all crap. It's good to actually have a solid thread about a great racing series. For full disclosure.... I played 6-1 straight in race 3 and knew I was done as soon as Tritton could not get close to the pocket. Should be another classic final.
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Congrats on what I hope was a good score. You called it early on and won for fun at an overlay. As for redboarding, this site has been full of that for many years and loaded with degenerate bustouts throwing around false info and derogatory bullshit. Just look at the SCM threads.... all crap. It's good to actually have a solid thread about a great racing series. For full disclosure.... I played 6-1 straight in race 3 and knew I was done as soon as Tritton could not get close to the pocket. Should be another classic final.
$5 exacta, $20 win. .10 sup 6/2345, and rev and box 2345 dead. $0 bet on the 1, picked up 195 in profit, lightweight stuff. From now on if I say it, I lay it all out there with the scenario from start to finish kind of like I did, and with bets too, unless it is a single winning pool kind of bet. ;D
We go up and down, let's get over the hump and make this a great month bro!
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These are the finalists for next week in no particular order
Lochinvar Art
Jimmy Freight
Idealsomemagic
Funatthebeach
Backstreet Shadow
Hellabaloo
Covered Bridge
Leonidas
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Lochinvar Art peaked a few weeks ago and won't win the final. Jimmy Freight was scratched INJURED so who knows what that means. Yonkers just topped the $1 million handle mark tonight.
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Lochinvar Art peaked a few weeks ago and won't win the final. Jimmy Freight was scratched INJURED so who knows what that means. Yonkers just topped the $1 million handle mark tonight.
Where are the fucking AE's when you need them (for me, TITP) ;D
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You're gonna get lucky dude if Jimmy Freight is injured and can't start
This is the Plan in the first AE with 200 points
Hemsworth in next at 192
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You're gonna get lucky dude if Jimmy Freight is injured and can't start
This is the Plan in the first AE with 200 points
Hemsworth in next at 192
Bro,
Let me sing you a lullaby...
"...Every rose has its thorn
Just like every night has its dawn
Just like every cowboy sings his sad, sad song
Every rose has its thorn
Yeah it does...."
That emphatic comment you made in the 100th post in this thread, "This is the Plan is not eligible for the final no matter what.", is going to be a bend over moment for ya, and the thorn is going right up your...
Nah, we all make mistakes, you know I'm not that cruel. ;D
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I was talking about top eight with points which he could not and did not break into. I'm soooo embarrassed that I didn't take the possibility of also eligibles getting in the race. Please forgive me powers that be ... ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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I was talking about top eight with points which he could not and did not break into. I'm soooo embarrassed that I didn't take the possibility of also eligibles getting in the race. Please forgive me powers that be ... ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Like I said, we're here, or at least from my perspective to make each other better (quibbling, pissing contests... :P), in doing so we become more formidable. We enjoy more, and those who bet, the potential changes. So many people here have so much too offer, Horseplop is a wonder.
Those like you and I who are data / analyst hounds are a rare breed of animal. When and if the time comes, please consider this. If you bet as I do, maybe we choose some upcoming races in the near future. Make sure the weather is solid, like fast, handicap independently, and get on a call and share, analyze and strategize and try to take down some real success, real money, separately, but study together again just before, for maybe an 1 hour or so. And we can come back into the forum and share.
Don't answer, think on it, and if you decide yeh, than say so and I will dm you my phone number. That is me showing you top level trust, and respect for who you are and what you do. tmbz1
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That's actually something I used to do with a friend back in the 70s and 80s before slots and simulcasting when pools were large and dead money was abundant. We used to actually make a decent amount back then.
I'll consider it
Thanks for the offer ... I actually put a small bet on TITP yesterday after what you wrote as I hadn't even thought about betting that race at that point and it was obvious that he was the speed horse as well as the classiest and would produce a decent price.
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That's actually something I used to do with a friend back in the 70s and 80s before slots and simulcasting when pools were large and dead money was abundant. We used to actually make a decent amount back then.
I'll consider it
Thanks for the offer ... I actually put a small bet on TITP yesterday after what you wrote as I hadn't even thought about betting that race at that point and it was obvious that he was the speed horse as well as the classiest and would produce a decent price.
Excellent, it comes down to what I refer as warm, fuzzy feelings where after enough studying and scenarios it kicks in, often rarely, but listening to everyone yesterday and self evaluation it did kick in. And then warm and fuzzy you pull the money trigger, and betting and type of bets I want to discuss with you as well, maximization. Handicapping is just half of it.
Awesome, I'm feeling tepid now! ;D
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This Is The Plan goes from the outside looking in to what will be the controlling major speed force in the final. Feel bad for Backstreet Shadow connections as the horse has been unreal from tough posts in the series and gets the worst of it.
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This Is The Plan goes from the outside looking in to what will be the controlling major speed force in the final. Feel bad for Backstreet Shadow connections as the horse has been unreal from tough posts in the series and gets the worst of it.
The 2 hole nice. More to come Monday afternoon, weather check, stay tuned in this great thread, thanks onabrake! tmbz1
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Two consolations for the Borgata. How common is that?
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Two consolations for the Borgata. How common is that?
It's a good question, and infers from what we all have seen not that often, I'm going to call their racing sec tomorrow. But classy, and brilliant from a marketing strategy, MGM, Borgata, the name is out there the news more and more and the horses available, connections appreciative.
The best welfare racing around, casino, state lottery $, they're grabbing it while they can... ;D
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It's a good question, and infers from what we all have seen not that often, I'm going to call their racing sec tomorrow. But classy, and brilliant from a marketing strategy, MGM, Borgata, the name is out there the news more and more and the horses available, connections appreciative.
The best welfare racing around, casino, state lottery $, they're grabbing it while they can... ;D
Honestly, the series itself is great but in general the best welfare racing around is quite a stretch to say the least. Yes, the quality of horse and driver is top notch, but compare the actual racing to a place like Northfield and there is zero comparison. The racing itself is the most boring out there with the 7 and 8 hole being tossed and zero movement until the 5/8ths in many races.the handle is abysmal and when a place like Monticello outhandles you on a regular basis that is very telling. Yes it truly is the "best" welfare racing around for purse dollars, but it is a perfect example of why the sport has fallen flat, outside of this series.
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Honestly, the series itself is great but in general the best welfare racing around is quite a stretch to say the least. Yes, the quality of horse and driver is top notch, but compare the actual racing to a place like Northfield and there is zero comparison. The racing itself is the most boring out there with the 7 and 8 hole being tossed and zero movement until the 5/8ths in many races.the handle is abysmal and when a place like Monticello outhandles you on a regular basis that is very telling. Yes it truly is the "best" welfare racing around for purse dollars, but it is a perfect example of why the sport has fallen flat, outside of this series.
I was referring to "welfare" as subsidized racing lol. Like people on welfare, I'm with you a 100% on the other meaning, what you are trying to convey, I grew up in NYC, I don't bet the tracks there much but follow horses where they land and stakes races. I like T-bred mdn special weight and stakes, and Mohawk, and stakes races and horses I follow and again where they land. I'm adaptable though, do I, we have a choice? ;D
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Two consolations for the Borgata. How common is that?
As promised I called the Yonkers race office, and spoke with the Racing Secretary Joe Frasure, Jr.. A very nice guy, approachable, and transparent, and a lifer in the industry. He went on on, was awesome, stories about harness racing as a trainer, other leadership roles at the track, rubs elbows with T-brd judges too, knows Todd Pletcher...great stuff. Here's his bio (below) and if ever a question call 914-968-4200, opt. 2, then 4 to speak with him.
https://www.ustrotting.com/directors/directors_bio.cfm?dis=8A&memid=29
As per the second consolation, he says it's been happening for the last 3 years. As long as a horse is entered into the Borgata, paid their $5000, and $1000 to race in each elimination, they get rewarded with the second consolation race. All the money paid in fees goes toward the respective race purses. He mentioned it was Jimmy Freight getting injured that opened the door for AE This Is The Plan, and he agreed with what I've been saying, "a very nice horse", with bad racing luck last year. tmbz1
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As promised I called the Yonkers race office, and spoke with the Racing Secretary Joe Frasure, Jr.. A very nice guy, approachable, and transparent, and a lifer in the industry. He went on on, was awesome, stories about harness racing as a trainer, other leadership roles at the track, rubs elbows with T-brd judges too, knows Todd Pletcher...great stuff. Here's his bio (below) and if ever a question call 914-968-4200, opt. 2, then 4 to speak with him.
https://www.ustrotting.com/directors/directors_bio.cfm?dis=8A&memid=29
As per the second consolation, he says it's been happening for the last 3 years. As long as a horse is entered into the Borgata, paid their $5000, and $1000 to race in each elimination, they get rewarded with the second consolation race. All the money paid in fees goes toward the respective race purses. He mentioned it was Jimmy Freight getting injured that opened the door for AE This Is The Plan, and he agreed with what I've been saying, "a very nice horse", with bad racing luck last year. tmbz1
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Here's a little task to test anybodys power of observation if you are bored or just like to watch a great horse race.
If your betting platform supports replays go to the replays of the first two or three legs of this series of the divisions that Backstreet Shadow was in (or any race he was in his whole career).
Watch him down the backstretch around the quarter pole where he's following horses in single file and you get the best overall view, and compare him to all the other horses visually. Do you notice anything? If so post what you see here.
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Here's a little task to test anybodys power of observation if you are bored or just like to watch a great horse race.
If your betting platform supports replays go to the replays of the first two or three legs of this series of the divisions that Backstreet Shadow was in (or any race he was in his whole career).
Watch him down the backstretch around the quarter pole where he's following horses in single file and you get the best overall view, and compare him to all the other horses visually. Do you notice anything? If so post what you see here.
I watched his last race, taken way back and unlike the 6 Idealsomemagic who was pulling hard half the race and ready to run the rest, BS looked like a monster, easy to control, and ready to roll, very relaxed and maybe better than the 6 even despite the finish.
To me, seriously looked like BS was smiling. Like this --> ;D
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Not even close ... do the task .. then report.
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Not even close ... do the task .. then report.
I did, you asked what I saw, that's my report of what I saw his last race, is this a game show? 73cv.2
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No prize .. just a test of observation. Watch again at a place where you can see everybody and compare him to everybody not just one horse. Yes he looked relaxed etc but thats not what I'm going for. I will post the "answer" later but want to give people a chance to look and post if they see fit.
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No prize .. just a test of observation. Watch again at a place where you can see everybody and compare him to everybody not just one horse. Yes he looked relaxed etc but thats not what I'm going for. I will post the "answer" later but want to give people a chance to look and post if they see fit.
His head looks about 1/2 the size of the other horses on a third watch. If I lose the "test of observation", I'm ok with it. Stack it up against all my other loses and you can climb to the moon with out a Space X flight. ;D
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You get a pass as his last race is a bad example because there is another horse who is doing the same rare thing, not to mention the horrible resolution of replays. In the earlier legs it is easier to see something about him is different
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You get a pass as his last race is a bad example because there is another horse who is doing the same rare thing, not to mention the horrible resolution of replays. In the earlier legs it is easier to see something about him is different
That his front legs are always extended, knees not bending. I watched the 4/10/23 race 3 at Yonkers just now. I figure I'll keep guessing since no one else is, that means if in the off chance I win after 7 billion tries I get a grand prize of plop. ;D
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BINGO
Yes, he almost never bends his knees. It results in a longer stride and being lighter on his feet. Sometimes all the other horses look like their in a marching band. It's the secret to his success and why it doesn't matter who his trainer is. He just glides along whether he's going fast or slow. It's his natural flawless and beautiful gait.
No billion dollar prize but thanks for playing.
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BINGO
Yes, he almost never bends his knees. It results in a longer stride and being lighter on his feet. Sometimes all the other horses look like their in a marching band. It's the secret to his success and why it doesn't matter who his trainer is. He just glides along whether he's going fast or slow. It's his natural flawless and beautiful gait.
No billion dollar prize but thanks for playing.
If I was the standardbred and you my driver it took you this entire contest - of whipping and slashing, plugs popped in the first turn, shaking the bike up down, hitting me in the butt with a syringe full of of of pcp, and a good kick in the can as well to get us under the wire First. I'm ready for the farm!
86z.st
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RACE 9 - Yonkers Raceway - NY - April 24, 2023
Conditions: MGM BORGATA PACE FINAL
Gait: Pace Purse: 511,000 Class: BOR FINAL Distance: 1 Mile
PP Horse Med 2023 North America YTD Driver Trainer ML Claim
Equip Sts W P S Time Earnings Stable Odds Price
1 Covered Bridge L 13 5 1 4 1:50.2H $126240 Tyler Buter Jeffrey Gillis 5-2
2 This Is The Plan L 5 1 1 0 1:50.4H $40000 Yannick Gingras Ron Burke 2-1
3 Idealsomemagic A L 12 8 2 0 1:51.2H $147875 George Brennan Cory Stratton 6-1
4 Leonidas A L 8 3 2 2 1:51.2H $96320 Austin Siegelman Matthew Medeiros 9-2
5 Hellabalou L 7 3 2 0 1:50.1F $71150 Joe Bongiorno Ron Burke 10-1
6 Funatthebeach N L 12 6 1 1 1:50.1H $135760 Jordan Stratton Jeffrey Gillis 20-1
7 Lochinvar Art A L 7 5 1 1 1:50.1M $112250 Lauren Tritton Shane Tritton 8-1
8 Backstreet Shadow L 13 5 0 6 1:49.3H $131670 Matt Kakaley Travis Alexander 20-1
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Austin Siegelman has a good shot at winning the final on the 4 horse. Lochvinar Art is now a rank outsider after a nice start in the series.
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I agree. Haven't seen his best in this series yet.
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1- Covered Bridge
5-2 7-5
2- This Is The Plan 2-1 1-1
3- Idealsomemagic 6-1 12-1
4- Leonidas A 9-2 20-1
5- Hellabalou 10-1 50-1
6- Funatthebeach 20-1 35-1
7- Lochinvar Art A 8-1 25-1
8- Backstreet Shadow 20-1 4-1
I fixed the odds from the ML full retard to my 1/2 retard liking.
This is all based on a fast track, final time will be 148 3/5 - 149 4/5.
More to come... tmbz1
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Backstreet Shadow has improved since joining the Alexander barn. It will be interesting to see how he fares out of the detention barn.
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BINGO
Yes, he almost never bends his knees. It results in a longer stride and being lighter on his feet. Sometimes all the other horses look like their in a marching band. It's the secret to his success and why it doesn't matter who his trainer is. He just glides along whether he's going fast or slow. It's his natural flawless and beautiful gait.
No billion dollar prize but thanks for playing.
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if there were ever a race for the new track record, this is it!
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if there were ever a race for the new track record, this is it!
I wish too....even if fast, looks like a cold front coming in. Maybe 50, or sub 50 degrees temperatures.
To make it more competitive would be to see Dexter Dunn fill in for Lauren Tritton in the sulky on Lochinvar Art A. They all do come from the land down unda, and what's 5% to lose on nothing, compared to horse whom if fertile can breed and needs more than classic wins, but flashy times to go with them. The outcome in this race for that HORSE looks bleak otherwise.
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I'll agree that's a horrible morning line. The 1 and 2 are too low and no way should Idealsomemagic have a higher line than Leonidas, not to mention the absurdness of putting last years winner at 20 to one when he is in great form and has a helper to press the pace.
This is my opinion of the proper ml ... do I think it will go off this way .. No . nothing ever does.
Covered Bridge 9/2
This is the Plan 3
Idealsomemagic A 5/2
Leonidas A 5
Hellabaloo 20
FunatthebeachA 6
Lochinvar Art 15
Backstreet Shadow 8
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I'll agree that's a horrible morning line. The 1 and 2 are too low and no way should Idealsomemagic have a higher line than Leonidas, not to mention the absurdness of putting last years winner at 20 to one when he is in great form and has a helper to press the pace.
This is my opinion of the proper ml ... do I think it will go off this way .. No . nothing ever does.
Covered Bridge 9/2
This is the Plan 3
Idealsomemagic A 5/2
Leonidas A 5
Hellabaloo 20
FunatthebeachA 6
Lochinvar Art 15
Backstreet Shadow 8
ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Lochinvar Art A with Dexter Dunn sure within range odds, but with LT, goodnight gracie.
Since you and I are so diametrically opposed, I'm re-posting mine for side by side comparison with yours:
1- Covered Bridge 5-2 7-5
2- This Is The Plan 2-1 1-1
3- Idealsomemagic 6-1 12-1
4- Leonidas A 9-2 20-1
5- Hellabalou 10-1 50-1
6- Funatthebeach 20-1 35-1
7- Lochinvar Art A 8-1 25-1
8- Backstreet Shadow 20-1 4-1
How much (in trillions) to put to place / show on Covered Bridge to bankrupt MGM with a negative pool, lol, horse came down the stretch like a scary monster in a horror movie with 2-3 seconds in reserve. Fucking other horses might break from his wind chill and thunder lmao. ;D
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I wasn't comparing my opinion with yours, just saying I disagree with the person who makes the morning line but now I will say this. By your math (not including takeout )the 1 or 2 will win this race over 90 times in a hundred and the combination of Idealsomemagic, Leonidas, and Funatthebeach would about one in ten. I don't think that is correct.
If you want to predict the actual final odds be my guest as well as how you think the race will be run. I'm sure you will anyway before this thread is done.
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Lochinvar Art A with Dexter Dunn sure within range odds, but with LT, goodnight gracie.
If it wasn't LT, methinks it would have been YR's many time leading driver, Jason Bartlett; the latter drives much of Shane Tritton's stock. I thought for sure that Tritton would name Jason for the final for obvious reasons.
BARTLETT, JASON (leading driver last 12 months at YR) - UDR .412 - WIN% 26
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I wasn't comparing my opinion with yours, just saying I disagree with the person who makes the morning line but now I will say this. By your math (not including takeout )the 1 or 2 will win this race over 90 times in a hundred and the combination of Idealsomemagic, Leonidas, and Funatthebeach would about one in ten. I don't think that is correct.
If you want to predict the actual final odds be my guest as well as how you think the race will be run. I'm sure you will anyway before this thread is done.
When the race goes off look at my odds and yours, and with the exception of the 8 as he may not be 4-1, some folks might think that was a mistake on the second backstretch run as he will be gliding forward on it. 1 and 2 are solid, will be like ridiculous 1-1 co-favs, 8 can run all day down the back stretch and 128 look solid. The 3, nice horse love Brennan, doesn't look like he could disappoint, but WILL, and TITP only 5 races this year, Covered Bridge didn't need the whip even though a couple of taps when she 4-5 wide and swept like they were standing still.
May not be betting value so one must resign themselves to cold numbers tris, sups, again, 1,2,8 is my intended direction and minor respect for 4 and 3 for sups, 7 if driver change. The end - until race day and Irish eyes will be smiling...from connections to track owners! ;D
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So through all that word vomit you seem to be saying that that was your final odds prediction not your morning line while I said that mine was morning line only and that they would not close that way.
Since that was not a final odds prediction there is nothing to compare.
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So through all that word vomit you seem to be saying that that was your final odds prediction not your morning line while I said that mine was morning line only and that they would not close that way.
Since that was not a final odds prediction there is nothing to compare.
What do you think ML odds represent, the odds of who should be what and indicate the outcome as well. "Word vomit", I dunno I speed read but can read and write, are you the lobby for the stupid. Just a couple of words and or emojis, sure when appropriate.
If you (anyone here) don't like reading (or can't), please ignore me, but there will be intelligence. No child left behind! ;D
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If it wasn't LT, methinks it would have been YR's many time leading driver, Jason Bartlett; the latter drives much of Shane Tritton's stock. I thought for sure that Tritton would name Jason for the final for obvious reasons.
BARTLETT, JASON (leading driver last 12 months at YR) - UDR .412 - WIN% 26
Logical, that works too for this one! tmbz1
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https://irp.cdn-website.com/aea0ab75/files/uploaded/04242023-RP.pdf
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Ridiculous morning line for Hellabalou, Funatthebeach and Lochinvar. Hellabalou has zero chance to hit the board and should be at minimum 20-1. Funatthebeach has been awesome every leg and 20-1 needs someone's head examined when then seeing that Lochinvar is at 8-1 and also has zero chance in this race.
The problem for Funatthebeach is how much early action will there be. Gingras is gunning and I think Brennan also gets around Buter's horse early. They line up 2,3,1 early with Buter in no rush knowing both Leonidas and Hellabalou are not moving early. Cannot see any of the 4 through 8 trying to push the gate away and may lead to everyone with an early seat and then waiting for Buter to pull and picking up his cover.
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Pretty good analysis. It's just as likely and maybe even more so that Covered Bridge and This Is The Plan will do each other in down the backstretch which will set it up for a closer than they will line up 1 2 all the way. We shall see.
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Ridiculous morning line for Hellabalou, Funatthebeach and Lochinvar. Hellabalou has zero chance to hit the board and should be at minimum 20-1. Funatthebeach has been awesome every leg and 20-1 needs someone's head examined when then seeing that Lochinvar is at 8-1 and also has zero chance in this race.
The problem for Funatthebeach is how much early action will there be. Gingras is gunning and I think Brennan also gets around Buter's horse early. They line up 2,3,1 early with Buter in no rush knowing both Leonidas and Hellabalou are not moving early. Cannot see any of the 4 through 8 trying to push the gate away and may lead to everyone with an early seat and then waiting for Buter to pull and picking up his cover.
Since the 2 is not going to leave, it lines up 41, 1 retakes, 2 will sweep to the front before giving the 3 a chance to have cover, the 8 will move into place scond backstretch and be some combination of 128 at the wire. Likely 12/12/8, 4 for 4th. With 2 even money horses in the race the 1 and the 2, you should resign yourself to cold tris and sups. Sub 150 mile Playa! ;D
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Is it time to do this already, track looks fast and weather in the 50's?! ;D
Yonkers 9th (Borgata Final)-
Only tris and supers...
Cold combos, larger dollar bets:
tri 12/12/8, sups 12/12/8/34
Smaller dollar Pussy ass savers:
tri 128x, sup 128/128/128/All
My 2 slice and a coke money for Wizard and Thorny's thoughtful contributions:
.10 sup box's 1238, 1248
Final time prediction: 148 3/5 to 149 2/5 (new track record) tmbz1
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Is it time to do this already, track looks fast and weather in the 50's?! ;D
Yonkers 9th (Borgata Final)-
Only tris and supers...
Cold combos, larger dollar bets:
tri 12/12/8, sups 12/12/8/34
Smaller dollar Pussy ass savers:
tri 128x, sup 128/128/128/All
My 2 slice and a coke money for Wizard and Thorny's thoughtful contributions:
.10 sup box's 1238, 1248
Final time prediction: 148 3/5 to 149 2/5 (new track record) tmbz1
No FUNATTHEBEACH N in that mix? Wow, okay. BTW, I am not arguing with your selections, I just see this a wide open race, and case can be made for at least 6 of them to win. I won't punch much, but I'll be looking for value.
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fake racing
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No FUNATTHEBEACH N in that mix? Wow, okay. BTW, I am not arguing with your selections, I just see this a wide open race, and case can be made for at least 6 of them to win. I won't punch much, but I'll be looking for value.
I just boxed 1268 for a dime, anudda saver, thanks OP, GlenMidby, this is an awesome thread!
I'm locked and loaded heavy in my aforementioned direction!
This is how I'm feeling about this race now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05z2fCoWWs4
;D
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fake racing
(Tonight Irish) Fake Racing! tmbz1
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Thorn, did you just hear the live BigY / GB interview on his 3 drive (Idealsomemagic A) in the 9th your monster. GB sounded nervous, like he was about to go 1on1 against MJ in hoops, but was clean shaven, another baaaaaad sign, here he is winning a hambo, looking like he crawled out of a garbage can! ;D
https://harnesslink.com/usa/brennan-holds-a-pair-of-aces/
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I'm going with the Stratton boys 1-2.
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Biggest race of the year at YR, and what do the Harness Racing fans get? Another Burke tag team. If TITP doesn't get in the race, Hellabalou is 96-1 and doesn't get a check. Covered Bridge did all of the dirty work, towing Idealsomemagic A into a winning position. If the latter simply paces a 27.3 final Q from 2nd over, he likely wins with a 3rd over Leonidas 2nd. Funatthebeach N had NO excuse from a one time 3rd over following Idealsomemagic. Detention barn?
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Anyone else could have left, but didn't! Gotta give Burke duo credit, they were the only ones that took a shot leaving. What was Kakaley doing getting away last?
Biggest race of the year at YR, and what do the Harness Racing fans get? Another Burke tag team. If TITP doesn't get in the race, Hellabalou is 96-1 and doesn't get a check. Covered Bridge did all of the dirty work, towing Idealsomemagic A into a winning position. If the latter simply paces a 27.3 final Q from 2nd over, he likely wins with a 3rd over Leonidas 2nd. Funatthebeach N had NO excuse from a one time 3rd over following Idealsomemagic. Detention barn?
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Biggest race of the year at YR, and what do the Harness Racing fans get? Another Burke tag team. If TITP doesn't get in the race, Hellabalou is 96-1 and doesn't get a check. Covered Bridge did all of the dirty work, towing Idealsomemagic A into a winning position. If the latter simply paces a 27.3 final Q from 2nd over, he likely wins with a 3rd over Leonidas 2nd. Funatthebeach N had NO excuse from a one time 3rd over following Idealsomemagic. Detention barn?
Idealsomemagic A 042423 = Filthy excuse-less Cockroach! ;D
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Idealsomemagic A 042423 = Filthy excuse-less Cockroach! ;D
My thoughts exactly. NO excuse from that spot, NONE. Brennan drove him perfectly, pulled early and forced Buter out first over, and Covered Bridge towed Idealsomemagic A to the top of the stretch. A 27.3 final frame by Idealsomemagic A wins the race.
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My thoughts exactly. NO excuse from that spot, NONE. Brennan drove him perfectly, pulled early and forced Buter out first over, and Covered Bridge towed Idealsomemagic A to the top of the stretch. A 27.3 final frame by Idealsomemagic A wins the race.
I touted, bet the 8 for no worst than 3rd, he was worst than the #3, no effort at all, no 3 wide move on the 2nd backstretch, he was cockroach shit! tmbz1
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Detention barn could be factor
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lockinvart art
was a non factor last three weeks
all the hype
i didnt see it
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Before this thread gets filed away under out dated...
I hit the sack, and I said Hellabalou a couple of times.
I went back to my computer, went into the google drive trash, and pulled up Yonkers program, 9th race.
I wanted to understand what I refused to hear, the full story on this horse. Everything and everyone has a story to tell, and I was too arrogant to even hear this horse's story.
Turns out after googling him he won the Adios at 81-1, a classic. Who cares. He like TITP was also owned by Burke and his partners. Who cares. He was one of 2 un-gelded horses in the race, a real HORSE who if fertile could breed, the other LOCHINVAR ART A whom was being urged to walk at the end of his last race to this final. Who cares.
Ron Burke fucking cared a lot, if the 5 left, and the 2 could sit lead and hold off the 1 while trying to also win the race, pocket passing lane 5 had a chance. For the most successful trainer in harness racing history, he has built a post racing empire too with a horse like HELLABALOU if and when he BREEDS. Lastly, I hope, despite Gingras getting off the 5 to go to the 2, Ron Burke and partners said here's $10k - you helped create the perfect storm and with a few seconds of opportunity you made us money with this horse maybe for the next 5-25 years.
I learned something from my loss, everyone and everything has a story to tell, and if it takes me 1 day to handicap 1 sub 2 min race so be it. Because 2 bills in the right direction on that race and the way I bet could of bought a car, and if not at least my money was risked seeking a very hefty return. tmbz1