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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Locked in with pace on June 03, 2021, 08:03:54 AM
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When people start complaining about Cumberland, then the topic gets locked or disappears. Would we rather have no place to race? Give them a chance. Heck, some of us can race twice a week with Bangor. And don't mention we can go to the ridge. If you can't pace in 52-53, you are not going to be competitive and make enough to offset shipping and a full day away. Heck, one week I saw multiple miles go in 50 and 51. Every year it gets tougher and tougher. Sure the purses are fantastic, but they make you earn it. Plus TM races down there are a thing of the past. I've seen only one,73, and under and if you win one race, you are out of the class.
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Obviously, with the number of threads and comments, people care more about Maine racing than racing in any other state. Yes, our handles are low, but, like the Maritime provinces, Maine is the home to many talented harness drivers and trainers. We race for the live of racing, not greed. Well, the money is ok, too.
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maine also has started the careers of many top people that were and are in racing.
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Any more info on Butterfield’s 30 days? Sounds like he said some not nice things! Assume a beard is lined up.
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Applied for a “stay on appeal”As most horseman can request a stay
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Look how the handle goes up without the butterfield and sowers horses.
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What was the handle
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What was the handle
Guessing $50-55K.
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Yea bo and butterfield are ruining maine racing lol
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80,000. bo/butterfield are not helping maine. when you got multiple horses raceing under a different trainers name like bo/gibbs/merrill/merrill/merrill in the same race how is that helping? butterfields magic that complete cripples can be hung a whole mile and still win. while they alone are not the whole problem tell me how many new people want to own/race horses in maine. tell me how its going to grow any fan base with overnight form changes for no reason.
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Agree its all of maine the real problem is we have no horses big horse shortage so the race office has to let them put multiple horses in the box to fill card nobody wants to move to maine to race horses bad purses
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............................. wants to move to Maine to race horses.... bad purses
Todd O Dea should consider the move from Mass.......his horses are competitive in Maine......and there are a few more trainers who "chase" at PRC but would be picking up checks in Maine. Its nice to race for bigger purses..but its how much you earn that counts, not what you race for. With Cumberland racing on PRC "off" days, they could fill up a couple of horse trailers in Mass and ship them up to make money
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eye is right on. with all the tracks racing on different days some of the ones who are struggling at the ridge would fit right in up here at either track. the other thing on filling races in maine has to do with where we are compaired to other tracks. ny shippers to prc have 2 hour ride or so. 4-6 to come up here. maybe if cumberland built another barn it would make it easier for say ny based horses to run here. ship in fri race sat. i know not many tracks even care about a barn area but its a thought.
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Chief: not a bad idea but my thoughts: for the NY guys to ship in the day before ( if a barn was built and I doubt it) would make no sense. Between the cost of shipping, hotel, food, the groom away for 2 days etc would eat up a good amount of your purse. That's if you get a purse.
I think what you will see are more Mass and NH guys who aren't competitive at the Ridge shipping here. They see others doing it like Odea and he's winning races and making money. His horses aren't competitive there, but it shows that they are here. . And I see more Maine guys who ship there and aren't making money starting to race here.
The ridge has great purses but you have to go huge miles. And this year looks tougher than last.
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yes ridge has got tougher this year. if you cant go 53 pretty much forget it. plus week after week of those fast miles will get hard on a horse. certainly the stables from maine should fill the maine tracks if they are not able to compete at the ridge. i think all of the new england tracks would have more horses available if the last number of years maine had more hope. too many years of downs planing to close. a lot of people got out of the business. this was the time of the year the small outfits started filling the box. we dont have many of them any more. covid last year put a few more out. handle per race at cumberland the last 2 saturdays have been the best by far. maybe it is a trend that will keep going. also i hope for next year an earlier start at cumberland, maybe april 1 or so.
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It’s like watching the Bataan death march.
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Hate to talk about the elephant in the room but have you looked at the handle.
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Where is it posted ?
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cumberland is averaging 5500 a race in handle on track about 500-1000 rest off track. sadly not too many showing up.
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Nice card on Saturday. I'm in.
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11 races. bring lunch and dinner. will be like going to saratoga t breds. just 40,000 or so fewer fans.
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Michael Caruso ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Judges haven't hung any paper there since they started except for butterbeans and then they let him beard up.Cumby needs some personnel changes or I think they're doomed.
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No leadership place sinking like a wounded ship 73cv.2
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i said all this months ago. i was for a new start with all new people. what we got was a california group to manage. only positive there was they got the signal out everywhere. no too many are betting but its out there. other than that its wasted money. i was for all new judges. we got the best of the downs, a woman with experiance from mass, and a new judge for sure. i wished we got three ex marine type judges who enforce all the rules fairly. other than the dragging the races out cumberland is doing things ok. the state needs to step up. been the case for many many years. i know they take samples but do they really get tested? i have only heard the few positves that have not been officially posted. seeing the looks of the majority of winners at cumby, thats hard to believe. so far i can only say i have mixed feelings. i want them to do well. its not beyond repair but things do need improving, but its not cumberlands fault.
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The track can exclude anyone they want, thats easy.Maybe they should think about it, the rest would sit up and take notice.
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you are right. the track can exclude anyone. it does not happen often enough. im not sure it would work in this case. horses are racing under so many different trainers names. they go back to the same barn no matter who was listed as trainer that day. that is something that got completely out of hand. it should not be allowed to this extent.
trying to be positive. saturday is a good card. stakes races. cooler weather than tuesday. hope for a decent crowd to come out.
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This can easily be stopped. When the meet doesn't hit its expectations and ends after one year, we'll get the usual;"why didn't we ..........". Fix it now before it's too late.
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i hope that everyone involved steps up and does their job. we have a decent place to race. lets try and work together for our future. thats everyone top to bottom. should be a great day today.
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Too long between races and the announcer needs to imprpve
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Too long between races and the announcer needs to improve
The announcer is a world class announcer and a very good handicapper. He told us that before he even started here. He calls a race pretty good , and he has learned to spot and identify the drivers and add their names to his call. But , he is NOT THE SHOW...he is the announcer. Someone needs to tell him this fact, and we will get on trying to make this a successful meeting
He sure beats Sweeney and the sarcastic words of Lloyd Johnston.
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Bangor racing much better, more professional.
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He does pick winners and some prices too. It's better than dead silence. He is getting better with names.
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Michael Caruso- best trainer in history. Never loses.
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Michael Caruso- best trainer in history. Never loses.
And who were the last 2 trainers he worked for....and at what tracks ????
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Hes the most talented trainer in maine all he does is win
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m. caruso aka butterfield examples of why maine racing is dead. funny how last year when caruso was down at scarborough for butterfield the horses ran like the tank was empty. at cumberland today business as usual. i stand firm on what i said a while ago. maine pulls samples then what do they actually do with them?
way too long between races. lets see if that happens in december, when i assume there will be some heat on in the building. announcer ok but he thinks the show is him. reminds me of a guy from the meadows whatshisname? in that respect. the races are the show. ok at picking but who goes to a track to play the announcers picks?
race 8 scratches were unprofessional. #4 rock of ages was scratched in the tote system at 145. the 7 zampara was announced scratched at 210 or so with the other changes. was not sorted out till post parade that only the 7 was scratched. the 4 then had to run for purse only. mistake yes im sure. unprofessional a definate.
good crowd today. 11 races yet only 59000 total handle. not going in the right direction.