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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: Easy Irv on July 25, 2020, 01:14:18 PM
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Should an announcer call that a horse is breaking behind the starting gate before the race starts or should they only call a breaking horse after the race has started? I say only after the race starts. I ask this because as an online better I keep a close watch on my horses before the race starts and am ready to cancel a bet if I see mine breaking. However, if someone betting is lazy and not prepared to cancel their bet if their animal is breaking I say they do not deserve any help from the announcer! What are your thoughts?
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Cancelling should be illegal
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Cancelling should be illegal
It is.... for people that are lazy!
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If you are betting horses that don’t come to the gate you have problems.
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I feel the opposite of you Irv. This is actually a pet peeve of mine and I've mentioned it before.. The announcer is there to help the public and describe the situation. Not announcing if a horse is breaking before the start is not fulfilling this obligation. Other things can be going on at home, or you could be handicapping another race, or multitasking on your computer and not paying full attention. Jimmy B. at Pocono is notorious for not calling a breaking horse before the start. He also sometimes won't mention a horse going off stride during the race. It's almost like he doesn't want to or can't interrupt the flow of his constant babbling to try to inform the public. He has time to make his sly little quips during the race, he should also be able to inform the public about breakers. It is often hard to see which horse broke during a race for the public. At least he gives you a little warning when the race is going to start so you can check for yourself. The new guy at The Meadows hardly gives you any notice before they start. The best I've seen at announcing breakers on time before and during a race was Joe Alto when he was announcing in California. He could do it during a race right away and intertwine it seamlessly with the calling of the race .
I respectfully disagree. I do not feel the announcer has any obligation or even should announce a break before the race starts. Remember, if he announces a breaker and somebody cancels because of this....It hurts the people that didn't bet this horse odds wise when money is taken off the board! Soooo, I feel the announcer should not announce any breakers till the race starts. If you are distracted...to bad. It's your job to know what's going on!
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On a good night, Gary Guy might mention it before the field hits the quarter pole.
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Should an announcer call that a horse is breaking behind the starting gate before the race starts or should they only call a breaking horse after the race has started? I say only after the race starts. I ask this because as an online better I keep a close watch on my horses before the race starts and am ready to cancel a bet if I see mine breaking. However, if someone betting is lazy and not prepared to cancel their bet if their animal is breaking I say they do not deserve any help from the announcer! What are your thoughts?
To lazy or dumb. I never thought to do this tyvm... tmbz1
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Sure. If it's your job to know what's going on why announce it at all. Why even have an announcer. :)
Well you have a point. Announcers are not necessary but they make the race more interesting. My favorite was John Bothe. Loved the guy! Again though, if you have to rely on an announcer to tell you there is trouble before the race starts and you are not on top of it yourself...you are doomed anyway!
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My responsibility, as an announcer, first and foremost, is to that fan who puts his money down, and gets every break that I can find to make that race productive, for him.
And that means calling breaking horses before the start, horses not getting up to the gate, horses getting boxed, getting interfered with, even inside pylons.
I want you to win, and come back.
I once got in trouble for calling a 3-5 shot as sulking, and not wanting to go. The trainer called just as the race ended, chewing me out because his owners, who had travelled a long way to see their horse, didn’t want to hear that he sulked.
The fans needed that reason.
I asked the trainer if I should have said the driver gave him a bad steer? Or the trainer didn’t get him ready? I gave them both an out. Both driver and trainer were #1 in stats.
The point being, the fan needs to know.
And, if I can give an edge, like calling breakers before the start, I am going to do it.
I do hope that makes sense to you.
Marty Adler
Former track announcer,
Windsor Raceway
Hazel Park Raceway
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My responsibility, as an announcer, first and foremost, is to that fan who puts his money down, and gets every break that I can find to make that race productive, for him.
And that means calling breaking horses before the start, horses not getting up to the gate, horses getting boxed, getting interfered with, even inside pylons.
I want you to win, and come back.
I once got in trouble for calling a 3-5 shot as sulking, and not wanting to go. The trainer called just as the race ended, chewing me out because his owners, who had travelled a long way to see their horse, didn’t want to hear that he sulked.
The fans needed that reason.
I asked the trainer if I should have said the driver gave him a bad steer? Or the trainer didn’t get him ready? I gave them both an out. Both driver and trainer were #1 in stats.
The point being, the fan needs to know.
And, if I can give an edge, like calling breakers before the start, I am going to do it.
I do hope that makes sense to you.
Marty Adler
Former track announcer,
Windsor Raceway
Hazel Park Raceway
Nice, Hazel Park Homeboy... tmbz1
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My responsibility, as an announcer, first and foremost, is to that fan who puts his money down, and gets every break that I can find to make that race productive, for him.
And that means calling breaking horses before the start, horses not getting up to the gate, horses getting boxed, getting interfered with, even inside pylons.
I want you to win, and come back.
I once got in trouble for calling a 3-5 shot as sulking, and not wanting to go. The trainer called just as the race ended, chewing me out because his owners, who had travelled a long way to see their horse, didn’t want to hear that he sulked.
The fans needed that reason.
I asked the trainer if I should have said the driver gave him a bad steer? Or the trainer didn’t get him ready? I gave them both an out. Both driver and trainer were #1 in stats.
The point being, the fan needs to know.
And, if I can give an edge, like calling breakers before the start, I am going to do it.
I do hope that makes sense to you.
Marty Adler
Former track announcer,
Windsor Raceway
Hazel Park Raceway
God Bless you Marty,around these parts you truly are a living legend! tmbz1 Stay well,"It's that man again! Richard Caroll ;D tmbz1
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Marty has been a difference-maker for a long time
Thank you
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Mumbles aka "The Mouth" had an opinion also............. ....DON'T QUESTION MINE............. ..what Ringo knew about the program.......... ...any 5 year old knew more............. ..."The Mouth" was all about "ME"..............how someone could be around the track for 50+ years and not be able to learn anything......... .........and relate that to racing fans is beyond me.............BE there............ ...wager now............th ank you Mark and OHIO............. ........
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God Bless you Marty,around these parts you truly are a living legend! tmbz1 Stay well,"It's that man again! Richard Caroll ;D tmbz1
Agree. So lucky to grow up hearing the dulcet tones of Marty and Ernie H.
Best wishes to Marty.
tmbz1
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Should an announcer call that a horse is breaking behind the starting gate before the race starts or should they only call a breaking horse after the race has started? I say only after the race starts. I ask this because as an online better I keep a close watch on my horses before the race starts and am ready to cancel a bet if I see mine breaking. However, if someone betting is lazy and not prepared to cancel their bet if their animal is breaking I say they do not deserve any help from the announcer! What are your thoughts?
You're either a small straight pool bettor or likely full of shit.
Tell me how you cancel a string of p-4 or p-5 wagers when your horse jumps an 1/8 or 3/16 before the start.
Tell me how much lag time there is in the video feed you get vs the true live running. ((If you don't know this, you Mos Def full of shit))
Get back to me, ok breh?
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God Bless you Marty,around these parts you truly are a living legend! tmbz1 Stay well,"It's that man again! Richard Caroll ;D tmbz1
Calm down, Sharpton. Marty was only the 2nd most talented person in his family. The old man's bakery used to put out some delicious sandwiches.
Marty may be one of the most underrated drivers of all time. No need to snicker.
He is not really connected to Hazel Park. That was and will always be the home of the immortal Jack Riggs. Marty is and was a good announcer but not top five. Salive had the best radio voice in the game. Marty used to do a roving reporter racing segment for which he had no equal. That was his forte because he was smart and witty.
Marty has been a genuine advocate for harness racing. Unlike the resident clowns like Lice Man and Cunni-Lingus, he knows the game and tries to help. Until next time, broadcasters..... ......HEIL HITLER!!
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Marty, hope you are doing well, you were always on the money, BEST WISHES to a legend
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You're either a small straight pool bettor or likely full of shit.
Tell me how you cancel a string of p-4 or p-5 wagers when your horse jumps an 1/8 or 3/16 before the start.
Tell me how much lag time there is in the video feed you get vs the true live running. ((If you don't know this, you Mos Def full of shit))
Get back to me, ok breh?
Gettin back to you, ok breh! First I can't tell you how I cancel a string of p-4 or p-5 wagers because I don't know or care! Second, depending on the track a bet can be canceled anywhere from 10 seconds from the start which occasionally will help to 3 seconds before the start which can save me a ton of money! Answer your questions?
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Why in the fu@k is rick moore announcing races at hoosier park
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Can’t be worse than John Horne at Vernon.
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nobody worse than the late Jack Riggs
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Why in the fu@k is rick moore announcing races at hoosier park
Do a search,sure this topic has come up many times before
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Relax morons
Last minute fillin for reg announcer
Who really came down with flu
Give it a fckin break
All you perfect fckin In breds
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the guy's not an announcer so it's hard to be critical of his race calls...but if you know rick moore at all personally..you know he's a cocky arrogant prick...
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We aren't the morons. He's a daily embarrassment.
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He's the boss, he didn't want to pay for another race caller!!
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Vernon's announcer has to be the worst that has ever worked as an announcer. Ever body needs a job, but he is terrible. He should try doing something different.
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Remember the "Win Place Show" on TSN back in the '80s, with Marty, Earl and the gang!!!
Hey Marty, any of those t-shirts still left...."I know who Marty bet" ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
My responsibility, as an announcer, first and foremost, is to that fan who puts his money down, and gets every break that I can find to make that race productive, for him.
And that means calling breaking horses before the start, horses not getting up to the gate, horses getting boxed, getting interfered with, even inside pylons.
I want you to win, and come back.
I once got in trouble for calling a 3-5 shot as sulking, and not wanting to go. The trainer called just as the race ended, chewing me out because his owners, who had travelled a long way to see their horse, didn’t want to hear that he sulked.
The fans needed that reason.
I asked the trainer if I should have said the driver gave him a bad steer? Or the trainer didn’t get him ready? I gave them both an out. Both driver and trainer were #1 in stats.
The point being, the fan needs to know.
And, if I can give an edge, like calling breakers before the start, I am going to do it.
I do hope that makes sense to you.
Marty Adler
Former track announcer,
Windsor Raceway
Hazel Park Raceway
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Howard earl and his Nasal tones is the worst. Jack e Lee and that Larry luderman a close second
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Frank Salive called the races like Mel Torme crooned a melody.