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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: NOTHING BUT TRUTHS on April 02, 2026, 10:47:53 PM
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how many cheat? who has had a positive test on a racehorse under their care that they are responsible for?( and i dont care if it was a trace or if you use contamination as a way out. a positive test is a positive test)
when you pre-race a horse are you affecting or trying to affect the outcome of a sporting event?
when a trainer gives a driver specific instruction is that race fixing?
let's hear about these sharp trainers in this thriving industry. who cheats? is pear (cause he looks like a pear) serving his days yet? or is he waiting until after stakes season like marble mouth ron does?
you know why they get away with it? because nobody is watching,(litterally nobody unless you are in the business) and they greased just enough hands to keep the welfare funding coming. this wot last forever.
Name Wins Earnings
Ron J Burke 163 $2,288,295
Per Engblom 92 $1,314,843
Cory Stratton 65 $967,128
Virgil V Morgan Jr 46 $844,066
Jodie M Cullen 84 $782,702
Travis M Alexander 43 $709,705
Chuck F Crissman Jr 48 $636,368
Andrew W Adamczyk 40 $578,185
Steve M Carter 32 $554,091
Joseph D Columbo 33 $534,831
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There's no more cheating in harness racing than an angel singing the gospel in the church choir or girl scout selling her cookies ngc3
We're thriving 96z.p
- Pacer 2 Pussy 2, Janitor at the USTA
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how many cheat? who has had a positive test on a racehorse under their care that they are responsible for?( and i dont care if it was a trace or if you use contamination as a way out. a positive test is a positive test)
when you pre-race a horse are you affecting or trying to affect the outcome of a sporting event?
when a trainer gives a driver specific instruction is that race fixing?
let's hear about these sharp trainers in this thriving industry. who cheats? is pear (cause he looks like a pear) serving his days yet? or is he waiting until after stakes season like marble mouth ron does?
you know why they get away with it? because nobody is watching,(litterally nobody unless you are in the business) and they greased just enough hands to keep the welfare funding coming. this wot last forever.
Name Wins Earnings
Ron J Burke 163 $2,288,295
Per Engblom 92 $1,314,843
Cory Stratton 65 $967,128
Virgil V Morgan Jr 46 $844,066
Jodie M Cullen 84 $782,702
Travis M Alexander 43 $709,705
Chuck F Crissman Jr 48 $636,368
Andrew W Adamczyk 40 $578,185
Steve M Carter 32 $554,091
Joseph D Columbo 33 $534,831
Very few cheat. And the cheaters eventually get caught and are weeded out. Way too much at stake for the top guys to cheat. More cheating in baseball, basketball, football than racing.
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Pacer 2, I have a bridge to sell you! lol
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people pre race horses every day at muktiple places per day. whether it works or not doesn't matter. if you have a positive you cheated. some cheaters are better than others and get away with more with less punishment. depends on who you are.
how many of the sports best have positive tests on horses?
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For a gambler or a fan soft racing = small prices and giving up holes is the worst form of cheating. IM good with guys setting up priced horses as most horsemen have patterns you can read but those days are over and today its setting up the 1-2 shot, Drugs have always been part of the game but with many moves and hard racing on movement tracks overlays were on the menu but today its all underlays, Mohawk might be the most corrupt track in the history of racing with huge odds drops when the gate opens on horses in perfect position and many holes given up with very very few 20-50 to one shots ever looking for a two hole trip and in most races by the time they hit the quarter its sitting chalk chalk. if you think it can not get worse at the hawk your wrong as i have seen horses pay 2-80 that shock the shit out of me. Who does not cheat in some way, now thats a tough one. horse racing site and this topic gets no flow are you f--king kidding me, i am not sure who is the most to blame between management and drivers or judges but all three are pure shit and you always get a shit show, At WEG the enemy to them is not the cheat but its the very very few who hate the cheaters, Go up to WEG management and tell them a horse went 5-1 to8-5 leaving and they will tell you the public got it right or tell the a exactor with 12-1 with 7-1 should pay more than 70 dollars and they will tell you the payoff was fine.
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Very few cheat. And the cheaters eventually get caught and are weeded out. Way too much at stake for the top guys to cheat. More cheating in baseball, basketball, football than racing.
Pacer are you related to BARNEY RUBBLE, very LARGICLE POISON
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90% of the trainers use drugs in their horse !
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Very few cheat. And the cheaters eventually get caught and are weeded out. Way too much at stake for the top guys to cheat. More cheating in baseball, basketball, football than racing.
One of the reasons for harness racing's steep decline is the perception that the races are "rigged". And while many here seem to know most of the "cheaters' in the game, I didn't see it with my trainer. Of course I could be wrong. But at Pompano, there were indictments and trials over the years of certain trainers, drivers, owners,etc. who were eventually convicted and forced to leave the grounds. I used to wonder how harness racing folks could survive on some of the purses provided at the smaller tracks. I guess they figure cheating and "making a score" to live and pay their bills was their justification for their criminal behavior. As for your statement that there is cheating in "baseball, basketball, and football", i'm sure theres some bad actors their too!
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Lets get real,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, if john BOTHE WAS ANNOUNCING TODAY we would rarely hear zooming bye racing sucks big time. In sports i remember BORG VS MC ENROE with 1000 percent all out on every point or Steph curry against france a show for the ages or TOM BRADY AND when was the last all out race,,, SBSW AND THATS WAY TO LONG AGO,,,,,,,,wE ALL remember great such as SECRATARIAT OR SEATTLE SLEW BUT GREAT IN HARNESS RACING WITH 27.2 55.4 122.3 148.4 IS THAT GREAT IN ANY REAL RACE THE LAST HALF MILE SHOULD BE WAY SLOWER THAN THE FIRST HALF MILE. Watching harness racing is like watching JAMES HARDEN play defence, sports may have problems but racing has over a hundred soft races every day and has no TOM BRADY WHO when up 20-0 is still throwing a bomb for a TD. TB racing your the trainer you go to PAT DAY and tell him to leave and he will but in harness racing try telling these clowns to put your horse in position and you will be stiffed,,,,,,, What happened to the days when after the finish of a race guys would say fuck you to another driver when someone did not move over.
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Lets get real,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, if john BOTHE WAS ANNOUNCING TODAY we would rarely hear zooming bye racing sucks big time. In sports i remember BORG VS MC ENROE with 1000 percent all out on every point or Steph curry against france a show for the ages or TOM BRADY AND when was the last all out race,,, SBSW AND THATS WAY TO LONG AGO,,,,,,,,wE ALL remember great such as SECRATARIAT OR SEATTLE SLEW BUT GREAT IN HARNESS RACING WITH 27.2 55.4 122.3 148.4 IS THAT GREAT IN ANY REAL RACE THE LAST HALF MILE SHOULD BE WAY SLOWER THAN THE FIRST HALF MILE. Watching harness racing is like watching JAMES HARDEN play defence, sports may have problems but racing has over a hundred soft races every day and has no TOM BRADY WHO when up 20-0 is still throwing a bomb for a TD. TB racing your the trainer you go to PAT DAY and tell him to leave and he will but in harness racing try telling these clowns to put your horse in position and you will be stiffed,,,,,,, What happened to the days when after the finish of a race guys would say fuck you to another driver when someone did not move over.
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For a gambler or a fan soft racing = small prices and giving up holes is the worst form of cheating. IM good with guys setting up priced horses as most horsemen have patterns you can read but those days are over and today its setting up the 1-2 shot, Drugs have always been part of the game but with many moves and hard racing on movement tracks overlays were on the menu but today its all underlays, Mohawk might be the most corrupt track in the history of racing with huge odds drops when the gate opens on horses in perfect position and many holes given up with very very few 20-50 to one shots ever looking for a two hole trip and in most races by the time they hit the quarter its sitting chalk chalk. if you think it can not get worse at the hawk your wrong as i have seen horses pay 2-80 that shock the shit out of me. Who does not cheat in some way, now thats a tough one. horse racing site and this topic gets no flow are you f--king kidding me, i am not sure who is the most to blame between management and drivers or judges but all three are pure shit and you always get a shit show, At WEG the enemy to them is not the cheat but its the very very few who hate the cheaters, Go up to WEG management and tell them a horse went 5-1 to8-5 leaving and they will tell you the public got it right or tell the a exactor with 12-1 with 7-1 should pay more than 70 dollars and they will tell you the payoff was fine.
i respect your posts and you have pinpointed some obvious problems...but i have to disagree somewhat.. the worst part of cheating is filling a horse up with Peds...with absolutley no regard for the horse...or sending them to race as lame ducks and then whine because the vet scratches them as they score down
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i respect your posts and you have pinpointed some obvious problems...but i have to disagree somewhat.. the worst part of cheating is filling a horse up with Peds...with absolutley no regard for the horse...or sending them to race as lame ducks and then whine because the vet scratches them as they score down
From a moral standpoint you are correct but from a betting standpoint i am correct,,,,,,,, but for sure you are right from a kindness standpoint.
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Name Wins Earnings
Ron J Burke 163 $2,288,295 --- obvious with many positives
Per Engblom 92 $1,314,843 --- obvious as he beats all the others at Yonkers
Cory Stratton 65 $967,128 --- I don't know much about him. Appears to be a cheat.
Virgil V Morgan Jr 46 $844,066 --- He has good results. I don't follow his tracks.
Jodie M Cullen 84 $782,702 --- Looks like a cheat by how streaky the barn is.
Travis M Alexander 43 $709,705 --- Obvious cheat
Chuck F Crissman Jr 48 $636,368 --- Don't know much about him.
Andrew W Adamczyk 40 $578,185 --- Don't know much about him. Appears to be a cheat.
Steve M Carter 32 $554,091 --- Don't know anything about him.
Joseph D Columbo 33 $534,831 --- Don't know anything about him.
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Name Wins Earnings
Ron J Burke 163 $2,288,295 --- obvious with many positives
Per Engblom 92 $1,314,843 --- obvious as he beats all the others at Yonkers
Cory Stratton 65 $967,128 --- I don't know much about him. Appears to be a cheat.
Virgil V Morgan Jr 46 $844,066 --- He has good results. I don't follow his tracks.
Jodie M Cullen 84 $782,702 --- Looks like a cheat by how streaky the barn is.
Travis M Alexander 43 $709,705 --- Obvious cheat
Chuck F Crissman Jr 48 $636,368 --- Don't know much about him.
Andrew W Adamczyk 40 $578,185 --- Don't know much about him. Appears to be a cheat.
Steve M Carter 32 $554,091 --- Don't know anything about him.
Joseph D Columbo 33 $534,831 --- Don't know anything about him.
A hilarious amount of stupidity! ngc3 ngc3
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A hilarious amount of stupidity! ngc3 ngc3
I couldn't agree more. Each one of your posts builds on a hilarious amount of stupidity! You loved getting smacked around.
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I have no issue with a driver letting a horse in, that they intend to follow second over later in the race.
Strategically it can work well.
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I have no issue with a driver letting a horse in, that they intend to follow second over later in the race.
Strategically it can work well.
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Chihuahua Cock the racing strategist.
No better place to make your first move is to sit cover behind a horse (if they) making their second move ngc3
Don't you have a lawn to defecate on.
You own horses ngc3
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Everyone cheats Everyone who trains and drives a harness horse knows how to give a horse a needle. If they deny it then they are liars the people with money can buy the good pain medicine that’s gets thru drug testing and the people who don’t have the money gets the crap pain medicine but every horse that races gets a needle. If you disagree you really are a moron
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Everyone cheats Everyone who trains and drives a harness horse knows how to give a horse a needle. If they deny it then they are liars the people with money can buy the good pain medicine that’s gets thru drug testing and the people who don’t have the money gets the crap pain medicine but every horse that races gets a needle. If you disagree you really are a moron
THATS HILARIOUS! TOTAL HOGWASH YOU HAVE QUITE AN IMAGINATION!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Any trainer in top 5 nationally is juicing. Sad but honest truth
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THATS HILARIOUS! TOTAL HOGWASH YOU HAVE QUITE AN IMAGINATION!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
You are in la la land. I dont agree 100 per cent though i am sure its 99 per cent and i have been racing for over 50 years. You Pacer 2 are a fool!
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The top trainers have way too much to lose to cheat. They arent risking their careers! tmbz1
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The fact the original post says he doesn’t care about contamination tells you everything you need to know about the dip shits on this forum. Let’s just use Ronnie as an example, think about the amount of horses he enters and starts per year. Look it up brainiacs, it’s public. Then think about the fact he has been racing this volume of horses for years. If you own a trucking company, only hire legitimate, clean, sober hard working drivers, BUT you do it long enough, one of your trucks will have an accident. Is it because of the companies owners negligence? Is it because he was conducting business improperly? Newsflash it’s something called breakage. With the amount of horses these individuals race, whether they’re clean trainers or not. You show your lack of intelligence by chastising anyone who received a positive test. Not only do you show your lack intelligence but you also show how little (for many of you ZERO,NONE) experience in how a barn operates, the amount of individuals both employed by the trainer and/or the state. You retards crying about positives on here every day, have you ever stepped foot in one of our sports tests barns? If you haven’t, kindly SHUT THE FUCK UP. You may think you know what you’re talking about, but you don’t. I invite you simpletons to any test barn in the country, where the state holds horsemen to an absolute ZERO threshold on infinite different legal and illegal substances. Since many of you don’t realize, these test barns are filthy. I cleaned throughout the night between races. Think about how many horses AND humans, who have nothing to do with a horse in your care, come and go in the same stall as your horse being tested with ZERO thresholds on common medications. You people don’t know you all love to point the finger, these are REAL PEOPLE with REAL LIVES stop pointing your finger and saying you don’t care about contamination. You don’t have to trust me, find out for yourselves. Get off your fucking computer and go to these test barns. Contamination is a real issue.
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adamcyk wins from 10 hole last night easy 52 . claimed for 15 2 weeks ago drops to 10 and no one claims . what gives !!!
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Adamcyzk is no stranger to getting positives ! Repeating offender ! He’s got more drugs to use in his horses than elchapo!
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The fact the original post says he doesn’t care about contamination tells you everything you need to know about the dip shits on this forum. Let’s just use Ronnie as an example, think about the amount of horses he enters and starts per year. Look it up brainiacs, it’s public. Then think about the fact he has been racing this volume of horses for years. If you own a trucking company, only hire legitimate, clean, sober hard working drivers, BUT you do it long enough, one of your trucks will have an accident. Is it because of the companies owners negligence? Is it because he was conducting business improperly? Newsflash it’s something called breakage. With the amount of horses these individuals race, whether they’re clean trainers or not. You show your lack of intelligence by chastising anyone who received a positive test. Not only do you show your lack intelligence but you also show how little (for many of you ZERO,NONE) experience in how a barn operates, the amount of individuals both employed by the trainer and/or the state. You retards crying about positives on here every day, have you ever stepped foot in one of our sports tests barns? If you haven’t, kindly SHUT THE FUCK UP. You may think you know what you’re talking about, but you don’t. I invite you simpletons to any test barn in the country, where the state holds horsemen to an absolute ZERO threshold on infinite different legal and illegal substances. Since many of you don’t realize, these test barns are filthy. I cleaned throughout the night between races. Think about how many horses AND humans, who have nothing to do with a horse in your care, come and go in the same stall as your horse being tested with ZERO thresholds on common medications. You people don’t know you all love to point the finger, these are REAL PEOPLE with REAL LIVES stop pointing your finger and saying you don’t care about contamination. You don’t have to trust me, find out for yourselves. Get off your fucking computer and go to these test barns. Contamination is a real issue.
Not a lot of complex thinkers here.
A lot of anger, like a bad breakup, a divorce, a custody battle where the stakes are high, and the animosity is like fuel.
Even your feeling the anger in frustration defending what is logical, and equitable and how justice is suppose to work.
Evidence, logic, witnesses, statistical, probability...
Lives, business, investments ruined on both sides, the honest and guilty, undeserving at times.
I think we all know the score...and on our best day, including one as symbolic as today, many strive,, some reaching very high up...but none of us are the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ! ngc3
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Anyone out there thinking any horse anywhere whether it’s standardbred thoroughbred quarter horse show pony or barrel racer is not getting a supplement or meds to help is crazy. I find the ones you guys all think are the worse cheaters aren’t and the ones you give a pass to are the sneaky ones that are.
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its simple when the tote starts talking loud and says stay away then you stay away and when a horse is super overbet join the fun and get your 1-2 wager down and that is something that will keep this sport going forever with pitch value and load up on way over bet. Rod Serling never was that deep with his thinking.
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Everyone cheats Everyone who trains and drives a harness horse knows how to give a horse a needle. If they deny it then they are liars the people with money can buy the good pain medicine that’s gets thru drug testing and the people who don’t have the money gets the crap pain medicine but every horse that races gets a needle. If you disagree you really are a moron
My trainer has been in the business too long to stoop to what you said!
I'm just looking at the "moron" who posted this!
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My trainer has been in the business too long to stoop to what you said!
I'm just looking at the "moron" who posted this!
Who's that? And yes there are still decent people out there who don't fuck around and are also very good horsemen.
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Who's that? And yes there are still decent people out there who don't fuck around and are also very good horsemen.
You have a PM! Please respect what I asked for on my request! Thank you
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We have a general idea of what the score is on cheating, some much better, some find excuses, use graft to polish up a waste of a game, harness racing and some dive deep.
Not for a second I would fuck with Mike.
You love animals, horses, your babies.
You think your competitors are cruel, cheating.
Mike would turn his twin brother into mulch if he crossed "the line".
Hard to find even a supreme court justice that can be objective, non-partisan, and he does it for the animals, the weak ass bitches here who can't fight their own battles, and the general coward that yells string em' up and hides.
One man army that's handing over his sweat to the motherfuckers who should be doing this, their leads to rolled ground balls...suspensio ns, indictments.
Appreciate that, love the guy, he's the equivalent of heaven sent to y'all, no love, respect and that's that.
Lastly, for all that give him the latitude he deserves. See how long any of you would last in his shoes, yeh right...not 10 fucking seconds ngc3
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I think it would be impossible for an owner to guarantee her/ his trainer does not "cheat". Most owners work or have businesses so they are not around 24/7 to see what's happening. I believe that there are still some honest trainers out there. I would never slander anyone because frankly, I learn of these 'cheaters" via this site. But I do think that age or length of time in the business means little in who cheats or not. The issue is about character and integrity. Or someone's lack of those qualities.
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Hey rainman 2 and pacer 2 you should date each other. I’ve been in harness racing business for 37 years been to backstretch been to farms. Been to barn areas stabled at racetracks. Seen every trainer give horses needles not top ones of course they have their assistant and have their lookouts to see who’s coming plus morons I’ve seen horse trailers pull off highway with their flashers on while giving them in horse trailers my eyes don’t lie. Only you degenerate gamblers who think racing is on up and up. Every horse racing in usa and Canada gets a needle FACT. I should go on 60 minutes
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Hey rainman 2 and pacer 2 you should date each other. I’ve been in harness racing business for 37 years been to backstretch been to farms. Been to barn areas stabled at racetracks. Seen every trainer give horses needles not top ones of course they have their assistant and have their lookouts to see who’s coming plus morons I’ve seen horse trailers pull off highway with their flashers on while giving them in horse trailers my eyes don’t lie. Only you degenerate gamblers who think racing is on up and up. Every horse racing in usa and Canada gets a needle FACT. I should go on 60 minutes
Total BS. You have quite an imagination! ngc3 ngc3
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Hey rainman 2 and pacer 2 you should date each other. I’ve been in harness racing business for 37 years been to backstretch been to farms. Been to barn areas stabled at racetracks. Seen every trainer give horses needles not top ones of course they have their assistant and have their lookouts to see who’s coming plus morons I’ve seen horse trailers pull off highway with their flashers on while giving them in horse trailers my eyes don’t lie. Only you degenerate gamblers who think racing is on up and up. Every horse racing in usa and Canada gets a needle FACT. I should go on 60 minutes
Many but not all get LEGAL lasix or breather/bleeder needles. You're very delusional. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Hey rainman 2 and pacer 2 you should date each other. I’ve been in harness racing business for 37 years been to backstretch been to farms. Been to barn areas stabled at racetracks. Seen every trainer give horses needles not top ones of course they have their assistant and have their lookouts to see who’s coming plus morons I’ve seen horse trailers pull off highway with their flashers on while giving them in horse trailers my eyes don’t lie. Only you degenerate gamblers who think racing is on up and up. Every horse racing in usa and Canada gets a needle FACT. I should go on 60 minutes YOU CRY FAKE TEARS,,,,,,,,,, They are not gamblers let alone degen but its you people the horse people who do nothing, Blaming the gamblers ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 blame GLEN GARNSEY and the boys who had pull and did nothing, blame HAUGHTON and JC or did they not know, You are the one to blame as you watched and did nothing and now we pay the gambler.
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Many but not all get LEGAL lasix or breather/bleeder needles. You're very delusional. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Only lasix is legal. Bleeder?Breather meds are not. You live in a fantasy world.
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Many but not all get LEGAL lasix or breather/bleeder needles. You're very delusional. ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
did you just say legal breather /bleeder needles?? like other than lasix? amicar use to be legal in some states maybe it still is. enlighten us on any other bleeder breather meds you may know of?
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in ohio you use to be able to give bute and banamine 24 hrs out. if you do this and you cut it too close and your horse test positive for one of these are you cheating or is it just a dumb minor rule?
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also who says you need a needle to administer pre race?
maybe they will let you put the nebulizer on your horse while waiting in the paddock.
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Only lasix is legal. Bleeder?Breather meds are not. You live in a fantasy world.
Breather/bleeder tubes are also sold in every Tack shop in the country as well as Big D's. Vaccine shots are also required.
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This jackwagon believes these people use off the shelf treatments for pain, breathing, bleeding, tying up....etc? 😂 Do I need to post the lists of non detectable garbage they've purchased and the thousands of pages of invoices again? Just from one vet btw. Also, you cannot administer your own vaccines that must be recorded by a licensed veterinarian, genius. ngc3
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Breather/bleeder tubes are also sold in every Tack shop in the country as well as Big D's. Vaccine shots are also required.
Your not supposed to use anything less then 48 hours out. Those tubes say 2 hours prior to be used. You are in a fantasy world.
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In Pussy 2 defense ngc3, he only clean the toilets at the USTA, then comes here to overwhelm us with his stupidity...he's the appropriate level of retard for both yobs ngc3
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Breather/bleeder tubes are also sold in every Tack shop in the country as well as Big D's. Vaccine shots are also required.
you go ahead and go to big dees and get the stuff labeled pain off the shelf. while these top ten are getting it from their vets or friends across the border. and the top tier guys don't even have to administer it themselves. so, they never touch a needle or a tube. the vets do it, and if I have quite the imagination you are naive
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you go ahead and go to big dees and get the stuff labeled pain off the shelf. while these top ten are getting it from their vets or friends across the border. and the top tier guys don't even have to administer it themselves. so, they never touch a needle or a tube. the vets do it, and if I have quite the imagination you are naive
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Who said anything about pain, DUMBO? ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
Don't backpedal now jerkoff. You think these people buy actual pre race from a tack shop. Bahahahahahaa
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Don't backpedal now jerkoff. You think these people buy actual pre race from a tack shop. Bahahahahahaa
KMA LOWLIFE!! ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3
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Don't backpedal now jerkoff. You think these people buy actual pre race from a tack shop. Bahahahahahaa
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Hey rainman 2 and pacer 2 you should date each other. I’ve been in harness racing business for 37 years been to backstretch been to farms. Been to barn areas stabled at racetracks. Seen every trainer give horses needles not top ones of course they have their assistant and have their lookouts to see who’s coming plus morons I’ve seen horse trailers pull off highway with their flashers on while giving them in horse trailers my eyes don’t lie. Only you degenerate gamblers who think racing is on up and up. Every horse racing in usa and Canada gets a needle FACT. I should go on 60 minutes
And I’ve been a fan for 50 years and an owner/breeder the last 20+ years. Don’t preach to me about who and what I am in the business. If I ever found out my trainer was doing anything wrong/that I consider wrong, I wouldn’t be in this business. Simple as that.
Please try your arguments on others here on plop!
Thanks for putting your 2 cents in as I had a chance to respond politely!!
Thanx for posting!
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And I’ve been a fan for 50 years and an owner/breeder the last 20+ years. Don’t preach to me about who and what I am in the business. If I ever found out my trainer was doing anything wrong/that I consider wrong, I wouldn’t be in this business. Simple as that.
Please try your arguments on others here on plop!
Thanks for putting your 2 cents in as I had a chance to respond politely!!
Thanx for posting!
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Hahahaha. You people are so stupid and you say you’ve been in business as owner and breeder first more than 20 years. Do you think these guys are giving needles in front of you I guarantee your trainer comes back when nobody’s around brings a lookout to make sure nobody is coming before they administer all their drugs there not stupid enough to administer it when everyone is watching. Use your head
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Hahahaha. You people are so stupid and you say you’ve been in business as owner and breeder first more than 20 years. Do you think these guys are giving needles in front of you I guarantee your trainer comes back when nobody’s around brings a lookout to make sure nobody is coming before they administer all their drugs there not stupid enough to administer it when everyone is watching. Use your head
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Hahahaha. You people are so stupid and you say you’ve been in business as owner and breeder first more than 20 years. Do you think these guys are giving needles in front of you I guarantee your trainer comes back when nobody’s around brings a lookout to make sure nobody is coming before they administer all their drugs there not stupid enough to administer it when everyone is watching. Use your head
All I know is my checkbook says otherwise if this was happening!
As I have said to others here on plop-“Think before you type and post”!
Thanks for posting more nonsense on plop!
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I do believe there are honest trainers still out there. those honest guys are not on the list I posted, nor will they be a leading trainer anywhere. they may make a decent living but will never be the face of harness racing. they are just few and far between now a days and are out gunned. they are out gunned on and off the track meaning they get cheated in every race they are in. then when these awesome gods gift to trainers get positives, they have the money behind them to fight it, prolong it, or get it tossed.
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I do believe there are honest trainers still out there. those honest guys are not on the list I posted, nor will they be a leading trainer anywhere. they may make a decent living but will never be the face of harness racing. they are just few and far between now a days and are out gunned. they are out gunned on and off the track meaning they get cheated in every race they are in. then when these awesome gods gift to trainers get positives, they have the money behind them to fight it, prolong it, or get it tossed.
Or the trainers get tossed. Even if they have money. Pena, Surick, Wagner.....Cheate rs are eventually weeded out and we are left with 95% trainers that wont break rules.
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Or the trainers get tossed. Even if they have money. Pena, Surick, Wagner.....Cheate rs are eventually weeded out and we are left with 95% trainers that wont break rules.
Can i get some of that stuff your smoking? lol 95% that wont break rules. HA!
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EVERY SINGLE RACE IN HARNESS RACING EVERY SINGLE DAY HAS AT LEAST ONE OR MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE CHEATING. WHETHER THEY GET CAUGHT OR NOT IS A DIFFERENT STORY.
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I do believe there are "honest" trainers in the business. However, unfortunately, in today's day and age, what does "honest" actually mean? Hay, oats, and water? It is a pathetic state of affairs where if you are putting a horse on the track, with only hay, oats, and water, you are simply at a competitive disadvantage. I guess for me it comes down to the same question-----who is it OK to give a horse to? If you pick a "top" trainer, aren't all of them doing something? A big owner told me his gut-check is legal, therapeutic medications vs. designer, exotic, illegal, PED, etc. I don't have a problem with a trainer getting an overage on bute or clenbuterol. Unless it's given 6 hours out when the rule is 5 or 7 days out. That's egregious and malintent. But I absolutely have a problem with a trainer getting a positive for a drug that is really bad (which, BTW, can harm the horse), illegal, and has no place on the track or farm.
I guess it all comes down to reputation and interpretation. One owner will have a problem with so and so, and another won't. Eye of the beholder.
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EVERY SINGLE RACE IN HARNESS RACING EVERY SINGLE DAY HAS AT LEAST ONE OR MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE CHEATING. WHETHER THEY GET CAUGHT OR NOT IS A DIFFERENT STORY.
Absolutely. Unfortunate, but true.
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Absolutely. Unfortunate, but true.
Yet when I was posting actual evidence proving it happens, you said I had mental problems. Right Andy? Do I need to start dissecting your reports publicly and expose who you actually advocate for? Not that anyone is reading them anyway. tmbz1
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Yet when I was posting actual evidence proving it happens, you said I had mental problems. Right Andy? Do I need to start dissecting your reports publicly and expose who you actually advocate for? Not that anyone is reading them anyway. tmbz1
If you cant admit you have severe mental problems you're a bigger MORON than we all thought! tmbz1
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Is this dickhead on speed?
Hopping around here like a malformed bunny missing half his brain.
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Is this dickhead on speed?
Hopping around here like a malformed bunny missing half his brain.
She's THRIVING! ngc3
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If you cant admit you have severe mental problems you're a bigger MORON than we all thought! tmbz1
You might want to look at yourself when you say this. I have read your comments in the past.